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Keeping out the bad relatives? (prolly long)

So I just got engaged a few weeks ago (wee!) 
FI and I have been dating about 3 years. I get along with his family for the most part. 
He's an only child, only grandchild, etc, and his mom is very protective in that only-child way, and i'm anticipating and willing to accomidate how much of his extended family may want to attend. It's early in the process, but after reading a LOT of FMIL drama on here, I think I may come out lucky on that.

Naw, I think the trouble's going to be with MY family. 

Both my (divorced and re-married) parents are GREAT actually. The trouble comes from 1. My brother, and 2. my aunt, uncle, and their two kids (about my age). My brother... how do I put this... y'know how older brothers can sometimes be just needlessly cruel and abusive and bratty as kids, and pick on you and start trouble and just be an all around %$#%$#^? Well my brother is almost 30 and still in FULL @#$%#!#$ mode. I don't know how to describe it other than he's an incredible narcissistic, rude, insulting person who thinks his worth is MILES above anyone else. He's simply always been that way. There's no rhyme or reason to it, and as a result we do not interact much at all.
Not even a week ago I made a comment on my FB page that I was looking forward to my new sibling (my step-mom and dads) being born so I could be an older sibling and torment them so i'd get to know what it was like. TOTALLY in a joking, playful manner. My brother saw it, and left (I KID YOU NOT) a 12 paragraph long diatribe on every tiny little thing, real and imagined, that I ever did to him as a child (Did I mention he's in law school and likes to do this a lot? like, starting arguements where there are none). I say imagined because he said a bunch of things I supposedly did to him that were flat out lies.

Mostly, I was mad because our family, grandparents, and MY clients (i'm an LMT) see that page, and it was childish and disrespectful and downright BULLS$#% for someone who's almost 30 who has a wife, kid, and one on the way. So I deleted it, wrote him a private message telling him my page doubles as a professional page my clients see, and if he has a problem to message or call me privately, and not try to be a law school attention whore (not what I said, exactly) in public, and blocked him completely. As a side note, he's actually done the same thing to my mother AND grandmother at some point. So I just blocked him and forgot about it, because sadly it's nothing new.

A few days after, my FI gets a message on HIS page from my brother, about how he needs to look into my past and make sure I have everything "taken care of with *ex-husbands name* before he gets stuck with me" 

WHAT. THE. %#@^

Backstory, i'm 26, and was briefly married when I was 19 in a young and dumb phase. Its been "taken care of" for 6 years, and of course FI knows about it. 
At this point, I don't want anything to do with him. I've had very little contact with him as it is, but now I don't want to see him at all. ever. 
But here's where it gets hairy. I like his wife, we were friends before they started dating, and my nephew is awesome, as little as I see him. I spoke to my dad about this and he says he knows what i'm talking about, but that he keeps the peace because he wants a relationship with his grandkids.

My gut tells me that I want NOTHING to do with someone like my brother. Our relationship has been crap ever since I was born, so I don't really feel like i'm losing anything. Whats bothering me is that if I -don't- invite him, all I will get at my wedding is "Where's your brother?" "omg, you didnt invite your own BROTHER??" etc etc. 
Same goes for my aunt/uncle/cousin situation. Long story short, half of my extended family on my dad's side is one religion, and half isn't and they all live in the same small town, literally down the same street. My grandmother who is very religious, is just the sweetest, perfect "granma" type lady in the whole world. My aunt/uncle and his family, are the opposite. They're judgemental, they spread rumors and talk trash and cause drama, to the point that I've only been in their presence when I accidently see them in a store or happen to be visiting my grandmother when they are around and its been that way for at least 8 years. Because I am not their religion, they tell everyone I am a bad influence and that my mom and dad were horrible parent's etc etc. I'd be fine with ignoring them if they don't like me, but its the passive aggressive gossiping even when i'm minding my own business that pisses me off.  So by leaving them out of the wedding (honestly I have NO relationship with these people), I can only imagine the gossipy crap that would probably ensue. 

Like with the situation with my brother, my gut tells me I do not want to have these people talking crap in the back of my mind on my wedding day. Its stressful enough, and i'm on a mission to make this as stress free a process as possible. But at the same time i'm worrying about the backlash with all these relatives in the same town, and how i'm supposed to deal with my brother when I don't have any problem with his wife and wouldn't mind HER being there, but I can't just invite her without coming off like i'm being spiteful or something, y'know? 

Blah. sorry this is so long. :(

Re: Keeping out the bad relatives? (prolly long)

  • bethsmilesbethsmiles member
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    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_moms-maids_keeping-out-bad-relatives-prolly-long?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:357Discussion:063daf21-8989-42f0-8b28-985623994d49Post:6c425ce6-cdfa-49ed-bf78-1fe25d46cb5a">Keeping out the bad relatives? (prolly long)</a>:
    [QUOTE] Our relationship has been crap ever since I was born, so <strong>I don't really feel like i'm losing anything. </strong>Whats bothering me is that if I -don't- invite him, all I will get at my wedding is "Where's your brother?" "omg, you didnt invite your own BROTHER??" etc etc.  
    Posted by kibskix[/QUOTE]

    What you will lose is a relationship with your nephew (and any other children they eventually have) and your brother's wife. Basically unless you are willing to give that up, you are going to have to suck it up and invite him. Chances are that on your wedding day you will be so busy you won't even notice if he is there.

    As for your uncle and aunt, it's up to you if you want to invite them or not. People who gossip and spread rumors are going to do that no matter what, so don't invite them just because you are afraid of what they might say. From the sound of your post it sounds like you don't even have a relationship with them right now so I don't think you should feel obligated to invite them to the wedding just because they happen to be on the same family tree as you.


  • edited December 2011
    I'm sorry but I wouldn't invite any of them, if they ask why they didn't get an invitation just tell them you don't want their drama at your wedding!  Now is the time to start creating some healthy boundaries for you and your husband to be and protect yourself and your newly forming family from these toxic people.  I have a brother just like your brother whom I did not invite to my wedding and I have no regrets.  Some people are clueless and don't care how they hurt others no reason to ruin your special day. If it causes you to lose your relationship with your nephew then they are worse than you stated in your post, the thought "manipulative and controlling" comes to my mind. 
  • RaptorSLHRaptorSLH member
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    edited December 2011
    I have a sister who I am not inviting, for much the same reason.  I did not attend hers, either.  Her husband seems nice, from what little she's let me see of him, but a relationship with him is not worth the abuse from her.  If you are willing to permanently end any relationship you have with these people, it's your choice to make.
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  • kibskixkibskix member
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    edited December 2011
    Thanks for the advice everyone, It's a sucky situation and I really appreciate all the points of view.
    Joyfulhappy1, everything you said is what my gut says. they add no happiness or love to my life, and i'm supposed to be celebrating finding the person i'm meant to be with with the people closest to me. I don't want to be pressured or guilt tripped into inviting people who not only don't give a damn about it, but maliciously don't give a damn, lol. 

  • bethsmilesbethsmiles member
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    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_moms-maids_keeping-out-bad-relatives-prolly-long?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:357Discussion:063daf21-8989-42f0-8b28-985623994d49Post:478a7be4-e822-4893-8105-235c90d90780">Re: Keeping out the bad relatives? (prolly long)</a>:
    [QUOTE]If you are having a large wedding, you need to invite your family.  Period.  Your alternatives are to have a very small wedding, a destination wedding, or to elope. One of my favorite Miss Manners' quotes: <strong>"Do not worry your pretty head if you don't like your relatives.  You have to invite them anyway."</strong> Oh, yes!  Don't post any wedding related stuff on facebook!
    Posted by CMGr[/QUOTE]

    No offense but that is BS. Family doesn't get an automatic pass on rude/hurtful/horrible behavior and an invite to important events in your life just because they happen to be related to you. If someone is willing to cut ties then they shouldn't feel obligated to invite someone.


  • RaptorSLHRaptorSLH member
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    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_moms-maids_keeping-out-bad-relatives-prolly-long?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:357Discussion:063daf21-8989-42f0-8b28-985623994d49Post:478a7be4-e822-4893-8105-235c90d90780">Re: Keeping out the bad relatives? (prolly long)</a>:
    [QUOTE]If you are having a large wedding, you need to invite your family.  Period.  ..."Do not worry your pretty head if you don't like your relatives.  You have to invite them anyway." 
    Posted by CMGr[/QUOTE]

    <div>So my friend has to invite the father who began sexually abusing her when she was 5?  Other friend has to invite the anorexic step-mom who not only indoctrinated her own anorexia, but allows stepbrother to beat her up and indulges in a wide variety of assorted emotional abuses?  I have to invite the uncle who is a chronic woman beater, and my mom has to suck it up and pretend her turn as victim is not the reason there's an arrest warrant out for the guy?  Cousin P is on the guest list, along with Cousin M who he molested?  </div><div>
    </div><div>Bull.  Cutting ties with family is never pretty, but it is an option.</div>
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  • ootmother2ootmother2 member
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    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_moms-maids_keeping-out-bad-relatives-prolly-long?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:357Discussion:063daf21-8989-42f0-8b28-985623994d49Post:478a7be4-e822-4893-8105-235c90d90780">Re: Keeping out the bad relatives? (prolly long)</a>:
    [QUOTE]If you are having a large wedding, you need to invite your family.  Period.  Your alternatives are to have a very small wedding, a destination wedding, or to elope. One of my favorite Miss Manners' quotes: "Do not worry your pretty head if you don't like your relatives.  You have to invite them anyway." Oh, yes!  Don't post any wedding related stuff on facebook!
    Posted by CMGr[/QUOTE]

    Ignore CMGr, she had too much wine for lunch.

    "Do not worry your pretty head" ARE YOU NUTS?  You say that to a two year old, not an adult
  • kibskixkibskix member
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    edited December 2011
    I think it all depends where and how you're raised. I tend to assume (since i'm not them) that everyone else in the world is super family oriented and I am often amazed at how two relatives who hate each other put on all that fake smile BS around each other, but thats just the environment they were brought up in. And in all honesty, I think it's sort of creepy. I'm not saying you should tear each other's eyes out, but in my opinion it makes you a liar, and a resentful liar at that, because no one -enjoys- being someone theyre not because they feel like they have to. I don't wanna feel like that on THAT day of all days lol

    Retread bride- I do want other people there, and when I hear exotic destination wedding, what I really hear is $$$$ and stress!

    Cmgr- Large is relative. So far our rough draft list includes less than 100 people. I don't plan on having a wedding party either, and we are paying for the entire thing on our own. I only have two rules for this shindig. 1. NO STRESS ALLOWED. 2. I will not allow myself to be indebted to anyone. If this wedding were being paid for by other people I might be willing to allow relatives I dislike to come, but in that scenario its an obligation that you're guilt tripped into doing. I'm more interested in having a wedding enriched with meaningful people than an extravagant party where dislike or don't know half the people there.

    "Do not worry your pretty head if you don't like your relatives.  You have to invite them anyway."
    Yeah... if its a famly reunion you're planning. 
  • Kate61487Kate61487 member
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    edited December 2011
    I'm kinda with CMGr on this one.  It's easy to say "if you don't want a relationship with them, don't invite them", but the fact is you also have to consider the feelings of your parents/other relatives that you DO like.  Sure, mom and dad are fed up with brother's obnoxious behavior.  BUT they are self admittedly trying to keep the peace; if brother's pissed he didn't get an invite he's going to bitch to mom and dad about it.  I wouldn't want to put my parents through that.

    if your parents and grandparents are cool with you cutting brother and aunt/uncle (and you're cool cutting of any future relaitonship with brother/wife/kid) then go for it, don't invite them.

    But to me, seeing them for 5 minutes at the reception while you're making your table rounds is NOT worth the drama.
  • edited December 2011
    Invite people who will add to your day and who you don't have to worry about.  My grandparents don't support my relationship with my FI because he is a different race (welcome to the 21st century).  I no longer have a relationship with them because they are plain wrong.  People told me to take the high road and invite them...uhh and risk that they make some racist comment in front of my new family, no chance!  Invite people who you will be happy to see.  And, to salvage your relationship with your SIL and nephew maybe talk to her about your dynamic with your brother and how you just don't want to have anything else on your plate to worry about on your big day. 
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