AW Thursday / Chit Chat

angelsong21 · November 2011

Morning, ladies! No AWs for me today -- just sooo ready for Thanksgiving break next week.

Occupy Dallas is finally gone -- thoughts?

crash2729 · November 2011

I don't think the interwebz are ready for my Occupy thoughts.

I'm glad they're gone though. We'll just say that.

angelsong21 · November 2011

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[QUOTE]I don't think the interwebz are ready for my Occupy thoughts. I'm glad they're gone though. We'll just say that. :)
Posted by crash2729[/QUOTE]

Haha, same with mine. Just wanted to make sure I didn't offend anyone here.

professorscience · November 2011

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[QUOTE]I don't think the interwebz are ready for my Occupy thoughts. I'm glad they're gone though. We'll just say that. :)
Posted by crash2729[/QUOTE]

<div>Ugh. Me too. I'm willing to bet 90% of those idiots didn't even know what they were protesting.</div><div>
</div><div>And then some moron today made a comment on the news about how "We're always arguing about who leads us and the Facebook and the Twitter..." Really dude? </div>

winechic25 · November 2011

Bummer having no more wedding related AWs!!! My NWR AWs are that today we go to my step-son's kindergarten class for his Thanksgiving Feast, hmm, wonder how good that will be!! ;-). And his birthday party is also this weekend and it's at the Ballpark in Arlington. I think the adults are more excited than the kids!!

professorscience · November 2011

I have an AW for Winechic: Her video was posted on Significant Events's Facebook page.

winechic25 · November 2011

Cool! I saw I was tagged in something from Meredith but couldn't access it, so assumed it was possible spam.

kristan1022 · November 2011

WR: Booked all my appointments yesterday afternoon for Saturday e-pics! Nails and eyebrows tonight, hair and makeup early Saturday afternoon. And I finalized all the outfits and accessories... I finally feel like it's coming together!

NWR: Finished the photobook last night and ordered it this morning! Thanks to my $25 for $75 Groupon to Picaboo, I got a great 25 yr family album for my parents for $1 per year. I think this might be my favorite present this Christmas.

aeliza06 · November 2011

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[QUOTE]WR: Booked all my appointments yesterday afternoon for Saturday e-pics! Nails and eyebrows tonight, hair and makeup early Saturday afternoon. And I finalized all the outfits and accessories... I finally feel like it's coming together! NWR: Finished the photobook last night and ordered it this morning! Thanks to my $25 for $75 Groupon to Picaboo, I got a great 25 yr family album for my parents for $1 per year. I think this might be my favorite present this Christmas.
Posted by kristan1022[/QUOTE]
That's so exciting! This sounds crazy, but could I see a pic of the cover? I want to see how it turned out :)

kristan1022 · November 2011

aeliza- We just picked a plain black linen cover, but it has a cut-out so you can see the first page that my mom designed. When I get home this afternoon I can post a weblink to it, but I'll definitely take pics once the physical book comes in. This is kind of a trial run for deciding who we're gonna use for our guest book and the parent albums next Christmas

crash2729 · November 2011

So I saw this on the news and thought it was fitting for this thread. I found it humorous even though it probably wasn't meant to be.

angelsong21 · November 2011

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[QUOTE]So I saw this on the news and thought it was fitting for this thread. I found it humorous even though it probably wasn't meant to be.
Posted by crash2729[/QUOTE]

hahaha, EXCELLENT.

selie22 · November 2011

(Maybe my "I am from Austin" is showing, but apparently I must be in the minority here about the #occupy movements!)

Wedding related - I am reaching out to a bunch of bakeries about tastings, and it sounds like Tabitha Ballard might even be in town here for a competition so she might be able to do a tasting for me locally! That is very exciting and would be so convenient. Otherwise I am planning to come up to DFW for a cake weekend in March, which I imagine will make me very ill but happy! I

cake.

And I'm supposed to be meeting up with our potential photographer in early December and that is exciting too.

Thanks again to everybody who suggested we meet her. I'm really looking forward to it.

I really think I was a big dummy about how these things work until I came here and got some advice, so thank you!

crash2729 · November 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AW Thursday / Chit Chat : Ugh. Me too. I'm willing to bet 90% of those idiots didn't even know what they were protesting. And then some moron today made a comment on the news about how "We're always arguing about who leads us and the Facebook and <strong>the Twitter</strong>..." Really dude?
Posted by professorscience[/QUOTE]

This reminds me of Betty White in "You Again" At least I think it was "You Again". When she says "I'm on the Twitter"

aeliza06 · November 2011

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[QUOTE](Maybe my "I am from Austin" is showing, but apparently I must be in the minority here about the #occupy movements!) Wedding related - I am reaching out to a bunch of bakeries about tastings, and it sounds like Tabitha Ballard might even be in town here for a competition so she might be able to do a tasting for me locally! That is very exciting and would be so convenient. Otherwise I am planning to come up to DFW for a cake weekend in March, which I imagine will make me very ill but happy! I <3 cake. And I'm supposed to be meeting up with our potential photographer in early December and that is exciting too. <3 Thanks again to everybody who suggested we meet her. I'm really looking forward to it. I really think I was a big dummy about how these things work until I came here and got some advice, so thank you!
Posted by selie22[/QUOTE]<div>
</div><div>Definitely not in the minority. Okay, well maybe we are. But I have a different feeling. Yes I feel that you should stand up for your rights. In the American culture we are often subdued to "act out" on our rights. I just go back to my times living in Europe where people do stand up for their rights and do make their voices heard. I think back to the student protests in the UK when the goverment was raising college tuition. They know how to effectively make their voices heard and people in power know how to effectively listen. In America we often bend over and take it because a) we can't change anything b) by being the person that speaks up, we become the scapegoat. Do I think the "Occupy" movement is accomplishing change? No. I think the "Occupy" movement is founded on good principal but got lost in meaning. Especially with our apathetic brand-centric hipster generation.</div><div>
</div><div>Also- occupying something doesn't change it. Look at the guy who has occupied a corner in Britain ever since the war in Iraq began. Did he change anything? No. Did he create awareness? Not really. People just thought he was cray cray. </div><div>
</div><div>Plus- we live in Texas. Liberals will always be the minority here. Just the way it is. Choose your battles I say. </div><div>
</div><div>/soapbox.

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angelsong21 · November 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AW Thursday / Chit Chat : Definitely not in the minority. Okay, well maybe we are. But I have a different feeling. Yes I feel that you should stand up for your rights. In the American culture we are often subdued to "act out" on our rights. I just go back to my times living in Europe where people do stand up for their rights and do make their voices heard. I think back to the student protests in the UK when the goverment was raising college tuition. They know how to effectively make their voices heard and people in power know how to effectively listen. In America we often bend over and take it because a) we can't change anything b) by being the person that speaks up, we become the scapegoat. Do I think the "Occupy" movement is accomplishing change? No. I think the "Occupy" movement is founded on good principal but got lost in meaning. Especially with our apathetic brand-centric hipster generation. Also- occupying something doesn't change it. Look at the guy who has occupied a corner in Britain ever since the war in Iraq began. Did he change anything? No. Did he create awareness? Not really. People just thought he was cray cray. Plus- we live in Texas. Liberals will always be the minority here. Just the way it is. Choose your battles I say. /soapbox.
Posted by aeliza06[/QUOTE]

I will agree that Europe has effectively rallied for change, but I wouldn't agree that they've gone about it in a good way sometimes. Wasn't that where people were looting, burning down buildings, etc in recent memory? I could be wrong on that.

I am all in favor of the right to have your voices heard and standing up for what you believe in. I think that's awesome. What I don't think is awesome is crying and whining because you're not being given handouts, which is what a lot of the Occupiers seem to be doing. I also don't think it's awesome to complain about something and have no plan for action or even thoughts on a workable solution. When many of them were interviewed, they couldn't even clearly and concisely state what they were protesting to begin with, nonetheless what they planned to do about it. Squatting on city property and using my tax dollars to do so does nothing to fix the situation that you don't like or feel is unfair. If you don't like something, DO something about it.

Is it corporate greed fair? Absolutely not. But until I come up with something to actually do about that, I don't see the benefit of drawing attention to the issue and demanding change when you have no idea how to change it.

:::steps off soapbox:::

aeliza06 · November 2011

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[QUOTE]<strong>In Response to Re: AW Thursday / Chit Chat : I will agree that Europe has effectively rallied for change, but I wouldn't agree that they've gone about it in a good way sometimes. Wasn't that where people were looting, burning down buildings, etc in recent memory?</strong> . :::steps off soapbox:::
Posted by angelsong21[/QUOTE]
Absolutely right. As in any society, there are always a few individuals that will take advantage of a situation for ill. I certainly wasn't implying that Europe is a utopia by any means. When there is a crowd mob (or even a small group)- it is easy for something to snowball out of control when you give the wrong people the microphones or you go about something with the wrong intentions.

angelsong21 · November 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AW Thursday / Chit Chat : Absolutely right. As in any society, there are always a few individuals that will take advantage of a situation for ill. I certainly wasn't implying that Europe is a utopia by any means. When there is a crowd mob (or even a small group)- it is easy for something to snowball out of control when you give the wrong people the microphones or you go about something with the wrong intentions.
Posted by aeliza06[/QUOTE]

ETA: I'd like to say that I suck at Knotting at work. Who clicks "submit" before they've written anything? This girl. <img src="http://cdn.cl9.vanillaforums.com/downloaded/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-tongue-out.gif" border="0" alt="Tongue out" title="Tongue out" />

I know -- in that case it seemed like there were a LOT of individuals participating in that, but that may have just been because there was so much news coverage. I just remember hearing about how they were bringing in police from all different areas and they still didn't have anything under control. That's scary how easily influenced people are sometimes not just in Europe but everywhere. I think there's ways to be effective without resorting to violence...especially when that violence is directed at innocent people. I'm glad the Occupiers never resorted to anything at all like that, and you're right -- it's very unfortunate that some people take advantage of situations and/or the original message becomes so convoluted that people don't even really understand what they are doing anymore.

aeliza06 · November 2011

*looks around* why am I here?!

angelsong21 · November 2011

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[QUOTE]*looks around* why am I here?! ;)
Posted by aeliza06[/QUOTE]

LOL right there with you! :) I should proooobably go to sleep. But that sounds so boring.

TexanTreasure08 · November 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AW Thursday / Chit Chat : I will agree that Europe has effectively rallied for change, but I wouldn't agree that they've gone about it in a good way sometimes. Wasn't that where people were looting, burning down buildings, etc in recent memory? I could be wrong on that. I am all in favor of the right to have your voices heard and standing up for what you believe in. I think that's awesome. What I don't think is awesome is crying and whining because you're not being given handouts, which is what a lot of the Occupiers seem to be doing. I also don't think it's awesome to complain about something and have no plan for action or even thoughts on a workable solution. When many of them were interviewed, they couldn't even clearly and concisely state what they were protesting to begin with, nonetheless what they planned to do about it. Squatting on city property and using my tax dollars to do so does nothing to fix the situation that you don't like or feel is unfair. If you don't like something, DO something about it. Is it corporate greed fair? Absolutely not. But until I come up with something to actually do about that, I don't see the benefit of drawing attention to the issue and demanding change when you have no idea how to change it. :::steps off soapbox:::
Posted by angelsong21[/QUOTE]

Have you done any research into the original reason for the movement? They aren't crying about not getting hand outs. And no one has a concise goal, because they never wanted it to have a single goal that would undermine their main message. If you read actual articles about it other than just listening to the news, you would understand a whole lot more about it instead of making overgeneralized insensitive comments.
And I think drawing attention to an issue has a lot of benefits, regardless of whether they have immediate results. If we all went by this logic no one would stand up & fight for anything, ever.

angelsong21 · November 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AW Thursday / Chit Chat : Have you done any research into the original reason for the movement? They aren't crying about not getting hand outs. And no one has a concise goal, because they never wanted it to have a single goal that would undermine their main message. If you read actual articles about it other than just listening to the news, you would understand a whole lot more about it instead of making overgeneralized insensitive comments. And I think drawing attention to an issue has a lot of benefits, regardless of whether they have immediate results. If we all went by this logic no one would stand up & fight for anything, ever.
Posted by TexanTreasure08[/QUOTE]

I appreciate the assumption that I haven't educated myself on this beyond watching the news, but unfortunately that's wrong. I have researched both the Occupy Dallas and OWS movements, including their own .org websites. I have yet to see any real talking points that they have. And I'm sorry that you feel my comments are "overgeneralized and insensitive" but I stand by them. I also agree that drawing attention to an issue can have a lot of benefits regardless of whether it gets immediate results. I never said anything of the sort. Rather, what I said was is unless you have an inkling of real solutions to propose or a way to actually move towards change, it's really not beneficial, especially in this circumstance. The way the government,. WS, and the elite 1% operate will not change because people sleep in tents for 42+ days and protest outside big banks. They state they, "will no longer tolerate greed and corruption of the 1%." I agree, greed and corruption can run rampant not only with the 1% but within our own government, which is heavily influenced by the 1%. However, what solutions are being proposed to implement change in regards to greed and corruption? How does OWS and OD propose we wipe out greed and corruption in these people?

I would love to go into this further this morning as there actually are some websites for other Occupy movements that do have some better talking points than OWS which started the whole thing, but I have a lab at 8am in Denton.

And yes, althought the original movement may not implicate a want for handouts, many people now involved in the movement DO imply a want for handouts. I actually know several people affiliated with the Occupy movement and their updates sometimes reflect that. Unfortunately, these are the people associated with this movement that seem to get airtime on TV and radio which does not help move the overall effort forward.

nickandmerritt · November 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AW Thursday / Chit Chat : I appreciate the assumption that I haven't educated myself on this beyond watching the news, but unfortunately that's wrong. I have researched both the Occupy Dallas and OWS movements, including their own .org websites. I have yet to see any real talking points that they have. And I'm sorry that you feel my comments are "overgeneralized and insensitive" but I stand by them. I also agree that drawing attention to an issue can have a lot of benefits regardless of whether it gets immediate results. I never said anything of the sort. Rather, what I said was is unless you have an inkling of real solutions to propose or a way to actually move towards change, it's really not beneficial, especially in this circumstance. The way the government,. WS, and the elite 1% operate will not change because people sleep in tents for 42+ days and protest outside big banks. They state they, "will no longer tolerate greed and corruption of the 1%." I agree, greed and corruption can run rampant not only with the 1% but within our own government, which is heavily influenced by the 1%. However, what solutions are being proposed to implement change in regards to greed and corruption? How does OWS and OD propose we wipe out greed and corruption in these people? I would love to go into this further this morning as there actually are some websites for other Occupy movements that do have some better talking points than OWS which started the whole thing, but I have a lab at 8am in Denton. And yes, althought the original movement may not implicate a want for handouts,<strong> many people now involved in the movement DO imply a want for handouts. I actually know several people affiliated with the Occupy movement and their updates sometimes reflect that.</strong> Unfortunately, these are the people associated with this movement that seem to get airtime on TV and radio which does not help move the overall effort forward.
Posted by angelsong21[/QUOTE]

I have a different view of the movement, but I could be missing something. Can you give an example or clarify what you mean here? Who are the people who want handouts and what sorts of handouts do they want? Or what do they say that implies this?

professorscience · November 2011

Merritt,
While I know news outlets seek out the extremes of any group, many of the "protesters" I've heard on the news don't have any idea what they're out there protesting against, which is where (I believe) the opinion that many people "want handouts" comes from.

I'm all for good pay for good work. Hell, teachers are seriously underpaid for all the work they do. Occupy Dallas (and many of the Occupy movements) was disorganized and fraught with people who misused the purpose of the protest -- many of the so-called leaders said so themselves. The conditions were bad, people were fighting within the group and threatening violence, and there was even at least one sexual assault. If you want something done, that was certainly not the way to go about it.

angelsong21 · November 2011

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[QUOTE]Merritt,<strong> While I know news outlets seek out the extremes of any group, many of the "protesters" I've heard on the news don't have any idea what they're out there protesting against, which is where (I believe) the opinion that many people "want handouts" comes from.</strong> I'm all for good pay for good work. Hell, teachers are seriously underpaid for all the work they do. Occupy Dallas (and many of the Occupy movements) was disorganized and fraught with people who misused the purpose of the protest -- many of the so-called leaders said so themselves. The conditions were bad, people were fighting within the group and threatening violence, and there was even at least one sexual assault. If you want something done, that was certainly not the way to go about it.
Posted by professorscience[/QUOTE]

This EXACTLY. You said it much better than I did and I do have to apologize for my previous post -- I woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning and I was a lot snarkier than I usually am. I apologize for the way I worded it.

I don't think OWS started out that way, but with such a broad, sweeping statment regarding the change that they want (which I quoted in my previous post), people have taken that differently and bent it to fit ways that I hope it wasn't intended initially. I know college expenses came up a lot from what I've heard and read, just as one example. Recently graduated students affiliated with the Occupy movement were using the protest as a grounds to say, "well its just not FAIR. I went to college and I deserve to have a good job afterward. I paid a lot of money and expect to be able to do something with my degree and no one is helping us." Right. The thing is, when you paid for college and/or signed your student loans, no one guaranteed you anything. College is not a guarantee of a good-paying job or a job of any kind. In better economic conditions, this issue wouldn't be so prevalent (or at least it seems it wasn't before when I started school in 2003), but this is what happens when the economy is bad. We are not the first generation to experience this. I know that there's a 50% chance that I won't even get an internship the first time I apply for one, and until I do an internship, I can't get registered and if I'm not registered, I can't do the job I've gone to college to do. That sucks, but it's a risk I've chosen to take because I love dietetics and that's what I want to do with my life. There's just this sense of entitlement that I feel like our generation has overall ("It's not fair, I <em>deserve</em> X and Y!"), and I really hear it emphasized in a lot of the OWS stuff. The sad thing is that I think (from what I have read) OWS started out as something legit but it has, due to its own disorganization, spiraled into something that's anything but.

And I still think even though OWS started off as a legit thing that it's REALLY hard to demand change if you have no feasible ideas as to how to potentially implement that change. People and organizations function a certain way many times because "that's the way it's always been done." It is not until someone with a new idea, an ability to think outside the box, and the determination to see it through comes in before anything is up for change. So if you want change, to me you need to be able to say, "This system is inefficient and unfair to XYZ. I think in order to increase efficiency and increase equality, a solution could be to _____."

nickandmerritt · November 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AW Thursday / Chit Chat : This EXACTLY. You said it much better than I did and I do have to apologize for my previous post -- I woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning and I was a lot snarkier than I usually am. I apologize for the way I worded it. I don't think OWS started out that way, but with such a broad, sweeping statment regarding the change that they want (which I quoted in my previous post), people have taken that differently and bent it to fit ways that I hope it wasn't intended initially. I know college expenses came up a lot from what I've heard and read, just as one example. Recently graduated students affiliated with the Occupy movement were using the protest as a grounds to say, "well its just not FAIR. I went to college and I deserve to have a good job afterward. I paid a lot of money and expect to be able to do something with my degree and no one is helping us." Right. The thing is, when you paid for college and/or signed your student loans, no one guaranteed you anything. College is not a guarantee of a good-paying job or a job of any kind. In better economic conditions, this issue wouldn't be so prevalent (or at least it seems it wasn't before when I started school in 2003), but this is what happens when the economy is bad. We are not the first generation to experience this. I know that there's a 50% chance that I won't even get an internship the first time I apply for one, and until I do an internship, I can't get registered and if I'm not registered, I can't do the job I've gone to college to do. That sucks, but it's a risk I've chosen to take because I love dietetics and that's what I want to do with my life. There's just this sense of entitlement that I feel like our generation has overall ("It's not fair, I deserve X and Y!"), and I really hear it emphasized in a lot of the OWS stuff. The sad thing is that I think (from what I have read) OWS started out as something legit but it has, due to its own disorganization, spiraled into something that's anything but. And I still think even though OWS started off as a legit thing that it's REALLY hard to demand change if you have no feasible ideas as to how to potentially implement that change. People and organizations function a certain way many times because "that's the way it's always been done." It is not until someone with a new idea, an ability to think outside the box, and the determination to see it through comes in before anything is up for change. So if you want change, to me you need to be able to say, "This system is inefficient and unfair to XYZ. I think in order to increase efficiency and increase equality, a solution could be to _____."
Posted by angelsong21[/QUOTE]

Gotcha, thanks to both of you for clarifying.

(The first time I typed this it posted my comment to Snarky Brides on a thread about whether pizza is a vegetable. Knot vortex!)

angelsong21 · November 2011

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/local-wedding-boards_texas-dallas-ft-worth_aw-thursday-chit-chat?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Local%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:102Discussion:cb5efefe-a11d-46b9-b565-a03b99e1b09dPost:428cb927-de31-4e27-b2aa-861c7e2fac10">Re: AW Thursday / Chit Chat</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: AW Thursday / Chit Chat : Gotcha, thanks to both of you for clarifying.<strong> (The first time I typed this it posted my comment to Snarky Brides on a thread about whether pizza is a vegetable. Knot vortex!)</strong>
Posted by nickandmerritt[/QUOTE]

Haha, this has happened to me too... always weird where it ends up posting it.

TexanTreasure08 · November 2011

Thanks for clarifying everything Amy. I love the actual discussion instead of just name calling, which isn't directed to just you. I've heard that exact same line from so many people in the last week, and it's extremely frustrating because 90% of them have no idea what they're talking about, unlike you.

Re: college loans. I know that a lot of people are pissed off because the whole economic problem was caused by mortgage companies lending to people who definitely could not afford those mortgages, just so that they could get more money. This is a big part of the movement- those people were greedy, screwed up our economy, so now recent graduates can't get any jobs to pay off their thousands of dollars of student loan debt. Everything comes down to money, and in our current system, people will do anything to make more. From getting politicians to pass laws that only help them make more money, to covering up scandals, to putting the American people at risk. It doesn't make any difference to any of them, as long as they get richer. It's a huge problem, and I don't fault them for not having the answer. It's going to take all of America coming together and coming up with the solution, instead of knocking each other down with insults.

angelsong21 · November 2011

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/local-wedding-boards_texas-dallas-ft-worth_aw-thursday-chit-chat?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Local%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:102Discussion:cb5efefe-a11d-46b9-b565-a03b99e1b09dPost:882963db-a19a-4e7c-b34f-32877c06bd0b">Re: AW Thursday / Chit Chat</a>:
[QUOTE]Thanks for clarifying everything Amy. I love the actual discussion instead of just name calling, which isn't directed to just you. I've heard that exact same line from so many people in the last week, and it's extremely frustrating because 90% of them have no idea what they're talking about, unlike you. Re: college loans. I know that a lot of people are pissed off because the whole economic problem was caused by mortgage companies lending to people who definitely could not afford those mortgages, just so that they could get more money. This is a big part of the movement- those people were greedy, screwed up our economy, so now recent graduates can't get any jobs to pay off their thousands of dollars of student loan debt. Everything comes down to money, and in our current system, people will do anything to make more. From getting politicians to pass laws that only help them make more money, to covering up scandals, to putting the American people at risk. It doesn't make any difference to any of them, as long as they get richer. It's a huge problem, and I don't fault them for not having the answer.<strong> It's going to take all of America coming together and coming up with the solution, instead of knocking each other down with insults.</strong>
Posted by TexanTreasure08[/QUOTE]

This is so true, and its exactly why OWS needs to have possible solutions ready to be offered. Everyone has seen how difficult it is for members of the House and Congress to even talk to one another, nonetheless discuss or pass anything of any importance whatsoever.

I agree with the mortgage thing and there definitely needs to be an overhaul there. My heart does go out to people who lose their homes because of that scandal. I'm torn though, because at the same time, you should be taking a long, hard look at your finances and long-term stability prior to even applying for a home loan, so do I think part of that falls on the homeowner oftentimes as well. And some people did take this long, hard look and went ahead and signed on the dotted line anyway. I think that the idea of "the American dream" and our economy being stable for so long lead to people feeling as though home ownership was a part process of living and somehow it will all work out. I don't know a whole lot about the issue but those are some of my perceptions.

I think it was the San Mateo Occupy website that actually had a clear, concise letter stating exactly what they were protesting and standing for (the only good one I've seen thusfar). But it's difficult to make a list of demands from essentially every major institution in this country (government or not) and expect somehow that with no solutions, sweeping change in almost every facet of the way this country operates is expected. It's just so weird to me.

And it is really unfortunate that the OWS movement has become what it is, but with their broad, generalized mission, it can't be surprising. You now have a lot of people who demand handouts involved, and I just don't understand what people expect to get done B&M inside their little tents in the city's park. And I don't understand how these people are able to put their lives aside for 42 days without worrying about the consequences of that.

Sorry again for my intense post yesterday morning. I was harsh, and I do genuinely apologize for that. I like discussions and I clearly woke up in a crappy mood.

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