"Lies, Damned Lies and 98 Percent . . . "

Re: "Lies, Damned Lies and 98 Percent . . . "

• afrenchprincess

  

  February 2012

  In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_lies-damned-lies-and-98-percent?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:615Discussion:685a4135-459c-4455-a44e-486b04fddbcdPost:8a1f0d0d-ee07-4122-91a0-1006e841bd48">"Lies, Damned Lies and 98 Percent . . . "</a>:
  [QUOTE]Good blog post: <a href="http://www.getreligion.org/2012/02/lies-damned-lies-and-98-of-catholic-women/" rel="nofollow">http://www.getreligion.org/2012/02/lies-damned-lies-and-98-of-catholic-women/</a> And a great quote from  <a href="http://happycatholic.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://happycatholic.blogspot.com/</a> on the above: . . .<strong> even if that number were actually true, it doesn't make the Church's teachings any less true. It certainly doesn't change our responsibility to try to live by those teachings. Amen</strong>!
  Posted by Jasmine&Rajah[/QUOTE]
  This is very true the numbers are a bit skewed but from my personal experience I know a lot of Catholic women that use  artifical birth control. I do think that the church and fellow Catholic women that feel strongly to uphold the church's teachings need to be more helpful and educational about this. Because doing so leaves a lot of women confused, ignorant to the practice and weakens the argument of the Catholic church's teachings a bit.

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• professorscience member

  

  February 2012

  In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_lies-damned-lies-and-98-percent?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural Wedding BoardsForum:615Discussion:685a4135-459c-4455-a44e-486b04fddbcdPost:f56c37c7-3108-438b-9126-0f2eef8c3753">Re: "Lies, Damned Lies and 98 Percent . . . "</a>:
  [QUOTE]In Response to "Lies, Damned Lies and 98 Percent . . . " : This is very true the numbers are a bit skewed but from my personal experience I know a lot of Catholic women that use  artifical birth control. I do think that the church and fellow Catholic women that feel strongly to uphold the church's teachings need to be more helpful and educational about this. Because doing so leaves a lot of women confused, ignorant to the practice and weakens the argument of the Catholic church's teachings a bit.
  Posted by afrenchprincess[/QUOTE]
  
  The impetus can't just be on the church.  If it was up to the church, we'd all accept and love our fertility and there wouldn't be this issue.  Ever.
  
  There is so much more to it.  It has to start with families agreeing that artificial birth control is against God's will and raising their children to make good choices.  I know it's not possibly that easy -- why else would so many people challenge these views now?
  
  NFP is actually pretty well accepted on a lot of the international boards on TK, not just by Catholics, as both a way to prevent and achieve pregnancy.  People who oppose it are generally equating NFP with antiquated methods that had about a 50% success rate, and those of us who embrace NFP have the burden of explaining, "No, I'm not using 'rhythm.'"

  

  
  

  
  

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• afrenchprincess

  

  February 2012

  In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_lies-damned-lies-and-98-percent?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:615Discussion:685a4135-459c-4455-a44e-486b04fddbcdPost:7ba13570-c278-4f14-a6c4-cf3ff336b917">Re: "Lies, Damned Lies and 98 Percent . . . "</a>:
  [QUOTE]In Response to Re: "Lies, Damned Lies and 98 Percent . . . " : The impetus can't just be on the church.  If it was up to the church, we'd all accept and love our fertility and there wouldn't be this issue.  Ever. There is so much more to it.  It has to start with families agreeing that artificial birth control is against God's will and raising their children to make good choices.  I know it's not possibly that easy -- why else would so many people challenge these views now? NFP is actually pretty well accepted on a lot of the international boards on TK, not just by Catholics, as both a way to prevent and achieve pregnancy. <strong> People who oppose it are generally equating NFP with antiquated methods that had about a 50% success rate, and those of us who embrace NFP have the burden of explaining, "No, I'm not using 'rhythm.'"</strong>
  Posted by professorscience[/QUOTE]
  I agree with this statement. The church however has done a not so good job of educating and informing people.Yes families needs to be in agreement with NFP but how can they do that when they are most likely uneducated about the method. The church has failed in this area in my belief. So many Catholic women I speak too Craddle Catholics don't know or understand the method and remember old times of the rhythm method and brith control seems so much more appealing.

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• professorscience member

  

  February 2012

  In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_lies-damned-lies-and-98-percent?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:615Discussion:685a4135-459c-4455-a44e-486b04fddbcdPost:1acfeaba-b865-4889-b7b4-042ba9af6168">Re: "Lies, Damned Lies and 98 Percent . . . "</a>:
  [QUOTE]In Response to Re: "Lies, Damned Lies and 98 Percent . . . " : I agree with this statement. The church however has done a not so good job of educating and informing people.Yes families needs to be in agreement with NFP but how can they do that when they are most likely uneducated about the method.<strong> The church has failed in this area in my belief.</strong> So many Catholic women I speak too Craddle Catholics don't know or understand the method and remember old times of the rhythm method and brith control seems so much more appealing.
  Posted by afrenchprincess[/QUOTE]
  
  <div>I disagree with you on this, but everyone has a different experience.  I came into the church recently, and my husband's family is all "cradle Catholics" who all seem to use NFP willingly and happily.  Perhaps mine is an unusual case, but again, the church is very clear on its position (now more than ever, I suppose).  It's a matter of hearing that message, accepting it, agreeing with it, and following through.</div>

  

  
  

  
  

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• chelseamb11 member

  

  February 2012

  It's amazing how they try to take a figure and word it just so (with disclaimers that they know people rarely read) so that people think that nobody follows the Church's teachings.  That's bad journalism right there.

   
  
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• professorscience member

  

  February 2012 edited February 2012

  In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_lies-damned-lies-and-98-percent?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural Wedding BoardsForum:615Discussion:685a4135-459c-4455-a44e-486b04fddbcdPost:c3f2bff7-4575-40a5-8f08-1410d2a4be4d">Re: "Lies, Damned Lies and 98 Percent . . . "</a>:
  [QUOTE]It's amazing how they try to take a figure and word it just so (with disclaimers that they know people rarely read) so that people think that nobody follows the Church's teachings.  That's bad journalism right there.
  Posted by chelseamb11[/QUOTE]
  
  It actually seems like good journalism, if your goal is to get as many people as possible on your side.

  

  
  

  
  

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• newlyseliski member

  

  February 2012

  Without fail, most priests I know say that they get anonymous complaints any time that they preach  on the Church's teachings on contraception in homilies...  That would either make them far less likely to preach on it in the future or far more likely to preach on it in the future.  However, the readings of a Mass don't always present priests with opportunities to tie in discussing NFP, sexual morality or contraception... thus limiting their opportunities even more.  Much of the time, it ends up being the responsibility of the laity or marriage preparation folks to try to share this with other Catholics.
  
  On a related note... a good overview of the history of and detail on the Church's teachings on contraception:
  
  http://marysaggies.blogspot.com/2012/02/what-catholic-church-teaches-about.html

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