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Where should his son stand?

My Fi and I never have disagreements where one of us isn't willing to budge until now. I feel horrible because it concerns his son whom I absolutely adore. I always knew that he was going to have his 12 year old son stand up for him at our wedding. We discussed making him a junior groomsman and having my friends 12 year old daughter be a junior bridesmaid. We've been trying to finalize the wedding party for the last month, and in that time he has been saying he has asked 2 people to stand up for him, so I have also asked 2 (we will be expanding this, but he is having difficulty actually asking people he thinks it will be a financial hardship for).

Last night, I discovered his son was included in the two he's been referring to (no idea why I never asked him who those two actually were). He also said that during the wedding, it will be his best man, then his son, then the remainder of his WP. I was under the impression that his son would be last in line because that is where junior members of the WP stand. He used to work at weddings, and he said that he always thought poorly of people who put their children last, and they were usually next to the BM or MOH. I've NEVER seen this done. In my experience, all children are at the end because they are unpredictable. I realize he is 12, but he has special needs, and he often says he can't stand for more than 5-10 minutes. I'm perfectly ok with him sitting down during the ceremony if necessary, but NOT if he is so close to us. He has attempted to sit down in the aisle of a store before, and he always wants to be sitting, so this is another reason I think he would be more comfortable at the end. 

I feel like I'm being incredibly selfish and taking something important away from a father and a son, but at the same time I feel very strongly about this. Any advice?

Re: Where should his son stand?

  • I agree with Edie.  This is his son and if he feels strongly about where he should be standing during the wedding you need to let it go.

    Also, why do you think that just because he is 12 that means he has to be a junior GM?  I think the title "junior" is ridiculous because they have the same duties (show up on time and dressed nicely for the ceremony) as the rest of the bridal party does.

    Let him stand where your FI wants him to stand.


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    [QUOTE]In Response to Where should his son stand? : I agree with the bolded, you are being selfish. Honor attendants are the people closet to you, for FI that is his son, so his son gets to be best man. You seem very concerned with WP symmetry, indicating that because FI has a 12 year old on his side you will need one on yours. That is not the case. You choose your closest friends for the WP, regardless of the sides being even, their heights, or their ages. The WP is a way to honor close friends, they are not props for your ceremony or your pictures.
    Posted by Liatris2010[/QUOTE]

    I also agree with all of this.  I was going to write something to this affect but I just couldn't get it to sound right.  She said it much better!

  • Ditto everyone above. You don't need even sides, even ages, etc. And there is never a need for "junior" bridesmaids and groomsmen. They all do the same thing. 

    This is your husband's SON, and he wants him closer to him. You need to let this go. 


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  • Let it go. It is your FI's son! If your FI wants his son standing next to him then let it happen. You don't need even sides. The wedding I was MOH in, the bride had 2 children, the son stood right next to her FI. Her daughter is in a wheel chair and has other medical problems and was not able to be upfront with the bride for the whole ceremony but definitely let it go and allow your almost step son to stand next to his dad.
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  • My MOH was 9 months pregnant at my wedding. She sat in a chair the whole ceremony, directly behind/ next to me. It didn't ruin anything or look weird. I also had a 13 year old girl in my WP, and my male best friend, while H had 2 men on his side, and that was it. Wedding parties are not about symmetry. You're way overthinking this, and I do think you're being insensitive and selfish about it. It's his wedding too, and he wants his son near him in the WP. Why does that affect you?  
  • I feel like I didn't explain myself correctly to start with, and now I feel like I'm getting answers that don't necessarily answer the question. We planned on even sides from the beginning even though we realize it's not a necessity--it's our personal preference. Only those closest to us will be included in the WP, and they would never be used as "props." I'm really sorry if I gave that impression.  It is also "normal" to us that younger members of the bridal party be "junior" and his son was excited to have that title. 

    Part of the reason I want him standing last in line is for his own comfort. I know he will have a hard time standing there for 30-40 minutes, and I think it's unfair to expect that of him. A friend of mine even suggested having him walk down the aisle, but then sit with his grandma in the front row rather standing with the rest of the BP. I'm being selfish with that too unless he decides he doesn't want to stand at all because I want him to be included in the pictures that are taken while the ceremony is taking place. I realize it may be necessary for him to sit, but I wouldn't want anyone to think he was being disrespectful by doing so because he looks old enough to know better, but cognitively, he is much younger than he is. I know we shouldn't care what people think, but many people will just be meeting him, and I don't their first impression of him to be bad. 

    I'm going to discuss this more with my Fi tonight. I think it's also important that we discuss this with his son and ask him what he wants to do and what he thinks he can do. If we give him the option to stand next to the best man under the condition that he has to stand still, or he can stand at the end of the line where he will be allowed to sit if he wants, or he can sit with his grandma where it will be easier to see us too. He absolutely needs to be included, but I want him to be comfortable too. 
  • How about providing a chair for him to sit in between the BM and the rest of the GM?  This way he will be close to his father like your FI would like but would also be comfortable because he would have a place to sit (rather then the floor) if he gets tired.

    I still stand by that tagging "junior"onto the title of GM is dumb.  And I also think that deciding on even numbers is dumber.  What would have happened if you had 5 very close friends and your FI only 4?  Would you have sacrificed having one of your very close friends standing up there with you for the sake of numbers?

  • My attendants are my children, one is an adult but the others are teens. If my fi even SUGGESTED that my youngest should not stand up, or that she shouldn't be right next to me, there would not be a wedding happening. This is his child. Let it go.
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  • I think there should be an extra seat available next to grandma in the first row to accomodate your FI's son, on the chance he wants to sit down.  He should also be able to stand where your FI wants him to stand.  We often say that you pick your side and FI picks his side.  That should also go for the order in which they stand.

    May I ask what kind of ceremony you are having that requires your entire WP to stand for 30-40 minutes.  The few ceremonies that I have been a BM in where we stood the whole time, were about 15 minutes max. 
  • I don't think any of your clarifications are going to change anyone's mind.  FI gets to decide what order his guys stand in, simple as that.  If he wants his son right next to him that's where he should be.  I think having a chair available and/or letting son know that if he wants to sit down he can go back to his seat in the front row are great ways to make him comfortable.

    I'm also curious why your WP will be standing for a full 30-40 minutes.  Most longer ceremonies (like my Catholic mass) the WP sits the entire time except when we were actually doing our vows, which was like 10 min tops.

    I'm fine with the jr title as long as the kid in question doesn't feel like they're too old - but you don't have to have a jr bridesmaid just b/c he has a jr groomsman.  And if you DO b/c you really want that little girl in your WP they don't have to stand/walk together.

    Also, depending on how tall FI's son is he could stand next to the BM, closer to the rest of your guests so he's ALSO immediately next to your FI (assuming he's short enough he won't be blocking the BM), he'll be able to see better and if he does step out or sit down there won't be a gap.  We had our FGs/RBs stand in front of the adult BP so they could see better rather than being stuck on the ends.
  • You should let your future stepson stand where his father wants him. I was at a wedding once where the bride's younger (teenage) brother was a GM standing 2 GM away from the groom and halfway through had to sit down because he was feeling woozy. I didn't even realize it until after when my friend (his other sister) told me about it. It didn't draw attention away from anything that he took a seat in the front row for a few minutes. If you're okay with him sitting from the end of the line, be okay with him sitting near the groom. I highly doubt anyone would notice or care. 
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  • We discussed it tonight, and we are going to give his son 3 choices:

    1. Stand next to the BM as my Fi originally wanted, but my Fi is going to tell him that this is a very special spot and he needs to stand still, so we are going to practice this if he chooses it. 

    2. Stand at the end of the line where he will be allowed to sit on the step if he is more comfortable that way or we will see if we can get a chair to fit.

    3. Walk down the aisle, but sit with his grandmother in the front row along the aisle so that he can see better and is able to comfortably sit the whole time.

    Neither of us really like option 3, but after we discussed it, we realized this may be what he prefers. We're going to talk to him on Friday, and that option may go away before then anyway. We both really want him standing with the rest of the WP, but we also know that it's unlikely this option will be very appealing once he realizes what it includes. 

    I'm perfectly ok with him standing next to the best man now that we discussed it more. I was honest about my concerns that he would start talking to himself (which happens a lot), or do something else that was incredibly distracting. My Fi hadn't thought about the length of the service, and although he really wants him to choose option 1, he said he wouldn't be surprised if he was more comfortable somewhere else. For all we know, he's going to throw a fit that he doesn't get to stand right next to his dad.

    We've considered other options too, and with the steps, there is no way to put a chair up there for him unless he's at the end. He is also too tall to stand in front of or beside anyone. 

    My Fi was also completely shocked at some of the comments this post received. I'm not sure how I could have conveyed myself differently, but I feel like the general impression is that I'm a very selfish and inconsiderate person. I asked the same question of a few friends today, and I received some very valuable advice, which is what I was looking for, and part of how we came up with the idea of giving his son the options rather than deciding for him. My Fi and I currently are and will continue to be a team. We are not saying specific things are only his decision or only my decision--we are figuring them out together. It's one of the many reasons I love him so much. It is also why I'm giving him input as to who stands up for me and vice versa. It's not HIS decision to choose my side of the BP, but we also realize that our side could potentially affect the other side if say a family member is chosen on one side but not the other. 

    Sidenote: we aren't completely set on having even sides--at the moment, we plan to ask the same number of people (this was actually a coincidence due to one of my potential bridesmaids requesting to be my personal attendant because she LOVES being included, but she prefers behind the scenes stuff over being up front--I'm also incredibly honored that she will be the one to make sure I look perfect before walking down the aisle), but it's not a huge deal if someone needs to decline. Our intention was to keep things somewhat close even though even sides would be ideal, it's not necessary. We also still intend to call his son a "junior" groomsman because to him, having a special title unlike that of anyone else makes his role even that much more important. If he had anything against the title, we would have just dropped it. Neither of has has ever seen someone under age 14 without the "junior" title, so while I understand why people disagree with it, it's normal to both of us and we prefer it. 
  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_wedding-party_where-should-his-son-stand?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:37Discussion:03d1aa5b-1b8b-4196-8f1c-14f5a935d3c4Post:6fc803e4-c6ff-4ecb-9af3-62d89af6eeeb">Re: Where should his son stand?</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Where should his son stand? : You want a child to stand perfectly still for a possible 40 minutes?  Why can't you put the chair there?
    Posted by Edie Bee[/QUOTE]

    <div>We don't expect him to stand perfectly still--I don't expect anyone in the BP to stand perfectly still. We just want him to understand what the BP does. A chair isn't an option because there are steps where we will be standing, and they are too narrow for a chair. </div>
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_wedding-party_where-should-his-son-stand?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:37Discussion:03d1aa5b-1b8b-4196-8f1c-14f5a935d3c4Post:518701f2-33a9-4f10-af1e-0b501ea5221d">Re: Where should his son stand?</a>:
    [QUOTE]We discussed it tonight, and we are going to give his son 3 choices: 1. Stand next to the BM as my Fi originally wanted, but my Fi is going to tell him that this is a very special spot and he needs to stand still, so we are going to practice this if he chooses it.  2. Stand at the end of the line where he will be allowed to sit on the step if he is more comfortable that way or we will see if we can get a chair to fit. 3. Walk down the aisle, but sit with his grandmother in the front row along the aisle so that he can see better and is able to comfortably sit the whole time. Neither of us really like option 3, but after we discussed it, we realized this may be what he prefers. We're going to talk to him on Friday, and that option may go away before then anyway. We both really want him standing with the rest of the WP, but we also know that it's unlikely this option will be very appealing once he realizes what it includes.  I'm perfectly ok with him standing next to the best man now that we discussed it more. I was honest about my concerns that he would start talking to himself (which happens a lot), or do something else that was incredibly distracting. My Fi hadn't thought about the length of the service, and although he really wants him to choose option 1, he said he wouldn't be surprised if he was more comfortable somewhere else. For all we know, he's going to throw a fit that he doesn't get to stand right next to his dad. We've considered other options too, and with the steps, there is no way to put a chair up there for him unless he's at the end. He is also too tall to stand in front of or beside anyone.  <strong>My Fi was also completely shocked at some of the comments this post received. I'm not sure how I could have conveyed myself differently, but I feel like the general impression is that I'm a very selfish and inconsiderate person. I asked the same question of a few friends today, and I received some very valuable advice, which is what I was looking for, and part of how we came up with the idea of giving his son the options rather than deciding for him.</strong> My Fi and I currently are and will continue to be a team. We are not saying specific things are only his decision or only my decision--we are figuring them out together. It's one of the many reasons I love him so much. It is also why I'm giving him input as to who stands up for me and vice versa. It's not HIS decision to choose my side of the BP, but we also realize that our side could potentially affect the other side if say a family member is chosen on one side but not the other.  Sidenote: we aren't completely set on having even sides--at the moment, we plan to ask the same number of people (this was actually a coincidence due to one of my potential bridesmaids requesting to be my personal attendant because she LOVES being included, but she prefers behind the scenes stuff over being up front--I'm also incredibly honored that she will be the one to make sure I look perfect before walking down the aisle), but it's not a huge deal if someone needs to decline. Our intention was to keep things somewhat close even though even sides would be ideal, it's not necessary. We also still intend to call his son a "junior" groomsman because to him, having a special title unlike that of anyone else makes his role even that much more important. If he had anything against the title, we would have just dropped it. Neither of has has ever seen someone under age 14 without the "junior" title, so while I understand why people disagree with it, it's normal to both of us and we prefer it. 
    Posted by Gumby68[/QUOTE]
    That, sadly, is the way of the interweb forums, we can't understand your tone because, alas, there is no way to convey that. I know that from your OP I thought you were being selfish and disrespectful to your FI's feelings and to your family-to-be.
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  • I really don't see what the big deal is here.  My son will be 12 at our wedding, and he was asked to be BM by my Fi, and he will stand next to him after walking me down the aisle.  We will also have two FG's and a RB.  They can stand with the group, or they can sit wherever, I don't care.  No one will even notice or care where they are.
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  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_wedding-party_where-should-his-son-stand?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:37Discussion:03d1aa5b-1b8b-4196-8f1c-14f5a935d3c4Post:c9bb63a8-476f-4fcf-8ceb-9cb978c4c9d9">Re: Where should his son stand?</a>:
    [QUOTE]Have you thought of making the son the Best Man?
    Posted by RetreadBride[/QUOTE]

    <div>We discussed that when we were first engaged, and I think he said he didn't want to freak him out with too big of a part in the wedding. His son has special needs, and we don't want him to feel horrible if he winds up having a really bad day and isn't able to stand up for him. He will also do better if other people have the same "part" in the wedding as him as he will be able to follow their lead and do what they do. If he has a different title, he won't understand that he basically does the same thing as the other GM because to him, two different words have to mean two different things. We're still working on the correlation between engaged/fiance/getting married ;)</div>
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