I Need to Rant

Lobsters25 · February 2013

So H's coworker just posted this on FB.

http://www.hungryforchange.tv/article/gluten-confirmed-to-cause-weight-gain

Said coworker also manages a gym, and quite a few clients are followers on FB. While I have no issue with people going gluten-free due to allergies or by choice, I HATE studies like this and cannot stand when people try to impose their lifestyle on others. It's so freaking misleading, and to give such biased advice to clients without also sharing the other side of the story makes me angry. I will eat my bread, you will not eat yours (so I'll probably enjoy your piece, too) and let's discuss both sides to the story.

I have no beef with her and I won't say anything to coworker bc people are stupid on FB, and I'm sure she meant nothing by it, even though clients eager for a healthy lifestyle follow the page (but then again, coworker also posts pictures of him/herself working out at another gym than the one (s)he and H work at...great advertising...) but this article makes me so angry!

Disclaimer: All of the mice in this study gained a ton of weight, which the article neglects to include in its review. I also by NO means mean for this to turn into a gluten-war on the board, though I suspect it will, I just want all of this half-arsed research to stop!

unchatenfrance · February 2013

I hear what you're saying, but I see this sort of research as an half-assed response to the equally half-assed studies done 50 years ago that told us we need 10-12 servings of grains a day (we don't), that meat causes cancer (it doesn't), and that eating fat makes you fat and gives you heart disease (it doesn't). The pendulum is swinging the other way now, but it will eventually settle in the middle.

I'm a history PhD so I'm thiking of historiography as an analogy. Say, the Cold War:

Western historians of the 1950s: the Russians started it!

Western historians of the 1970s: the Americans started it!

Today: OK, they both started it.

Lobsters25 · February 2013

kw-that's crazy! I think I would have gone off on someone in her office by now. I hope she finds a way to eat enough.

unchaten-fair enough, and I agree, I can't wait for some level of normalcy. I remember when I had friends start on southbeach and they weren't allowed to eat fresh strawberries for a few weeks. seriously, no fresh fruit but feel free to eat over processed ricotta? no thanks.

unchatenfrance · February 2013

IF without going Paleo first, bad idea! What an irresponsible workplace.

Also agreed that fad dieting is bad. But before I started Paleo, I didn't think I could do without grains. Turns out I can. Before I tried IF, I didn't think I could do it. Turns out I can. The human body is remarkably adaptable. It never hurts to try something and I think we can all thrive on a variety of things - provided we do it for the right reasons.

Lobsters25 · February 2013

unchaten-if it isn't too personal, would you mind me asking why you did decide to go paleo?

I have two friends who I believe are attemting it - both also crossfit nuts. One needs to lose some weight, the other apparently wants to become crazy built (or at least that's the way she's heading, whether or not it is her goal, I don't know)

Lobsters25 · February 2013

unchaten, did TK eat your last post? I see nothing!

unchatenfrance · February 2013

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[QUOTE]unchaten-if it isn't too personal, would you mind me asking why you did decide to go paleo?
Posted by Lobsters25[/QUOTE]

<div><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;background-color:#ffffff;">Haha, ironically, I did it in an attempt to lose weight. I was at a healthy bf% and weight but wanted to lean out further. So I decided to go Paleo (or rather Primal Blueprint). It did help me recomposition very slightly (and very gradually) but boy do I feel a million times better, and that is why I am sticking to it almost 4 years later. It ended my insulin spike roller-coaster and (most) PMS, among other things, and I love the freedom of not having to eat every 2-3 hours. </span></div><div><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;background-color:#ffffff;">
</span></div><div><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;background-color:#ffffff;">But to be fair, I was already sort of Paleo for years before actually starting Primal. I was restricting my grains (because they always made me bloated) and was eating ~80g of fat a day. The conventional wisdom of healthy eating wasn't adding up to me. So before the agricultural revolution people weren't pooping and were dropping like flies of meat cancer and fat heart attacks? Mr. and Mrs. Caveman had to eat first thing in the morning before going hunting for the day? Some things weren't making sense to me at all, so I started going back to my East European grandparents' way of eating. Grandma is fit and fab at the age of 70 and doesn't look a day past 60, so eating lots of fat and protein and little bread can't be that bad, right? That was my thinking. And then I was elated when I stumbled upon Primal.</span></div>

unchatenfrance · February 2013

Lobsters - don't know what happened, I see my post ok now.

I've never done crossfit, but a lot of ladies on the Paleo forums who are near their goal weight say it's hard to lose while doing intense exercise like crossfit. I would counter that by saying it's super hard for women to lose weight as they reach their goal regardless of what their diet or exercise regime is!

Lobsters25 · February 2013

Makes complete sense, and so awesome that you're so happy with it. I think it's really cool that it keeps you within your family's traditional way of eating, too-that just makes it all that much more awesome

TK is being wonky, boo-here's the summary of my earlier comment on this post

I appreciate your stance on it unchaten. My body can't process lots of protein at once, or fiber, so any form of 'whole' eating doesn't work for me in it's entirety, which I am slightly bummed about, although I would never allow myself to cut out any one food group entirely. It needs processed simpler stuff sometimes. (It's this whole long complicated gastro issue-but the test to diagnose it was really cool!)

jennylee813 · February 2013

I agree - fad diets (and airbrushed models) are a huge problem. I have a friend who went low carb, and it worked, until he stopped. Then he tried IF, which also worked, again, until he stopped. Now he's bigger than ever.

I've been doing a lot of reading (and more is on the way) about gluten, since I've got an intolerance. Not an allergy, but it makes me bloated and uncomfortable.

I'm also a lot like you Lobsters. Sometimes my system needs some processed crap to get itself back on track. It bugs the crap out of me that there are things that are healthy that mess me up: ie chia seeds. That was not a good scene for me at all, and it took me almost a month to recover from eating them for a week.

People jumping on bandwagons without being conscious about what it's doing to their bodies is crazy - but all too common.

firsttimersluck · February 2013

I hate fad diets too..and this seems like a joke. I'm tired of everyone going gluten free. I know a couple ladies that just went gluten free because they THINK they have an intolerance. Why do they think this? Because they stopped eating it and lost weight?

Uhhh.. yeah. When you were eating a loaf of white bread a day.. and then stop.. that's going to cause weight loss.. *le sigh*

I also don't like the paleo/primal diet, but understand why people choose that route. And it certainly shows results.

I also hate that I know people that work out so that they can eat crap. Like.. I get saying, "ya know what.. it's Friday and I worked out today.. I'm having the cheesecake!" but to say you ONLY work out TO eat that stuff.. That's your ONLY motivation?? Really?? Not.. life-long health??? alright then... Whatever works.........

ETA: I hate people all going gluten free that don't NEED to, that is.

firsttimersluck · February 2013

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[QUOTE]I People jumping on bandwagons without being conscious about what it's doing to their bodies is crazy - but all too common.
Posted by jennylee813[/QUOTE]

<div>
</div><div>Sooo true. </div><div>A good friend just jumped on the Blood Type Diet..</div><div>I know nothing about this, but it seems that people swear by it.. Idk. I can't speak much for or against it since I haven't done the research, but ultimately I think people just want to jump on things that give them a list of foods/meals so that they can lose weight without researching/thinking for themselves.. And of course I can't say "no, don't do that." because.. Honestly, idk if she should or shouldn't.. But will she be able to keep up whatever the lifestyle it is that she's on? We'll see.. </div>

Lobsters25 · February 2013

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[QUOTE]I hate fad diets too..and this seems like a joke. I'm tired of everyone going gluten free. I know a couple ladies that just went gluten free because they THINK they have an intolerance. Why do they think this? Because they stopped eating it and lost weight? Uhhh.. yeah. When you were eating a loaf of white bread a day.. and then stop.. that's going to cause weight loss...
Posted by firsttimersluck[/QUOTE]<div>
</div><div>Bahaha <3 you.</div><div>
</div><div>To be fair, I have to workout to eat, and I do like cheesecake (and live next door to the cheesecake factory-no joke), but my system is so jacked up that I could probably eat salads all day and gain weight if I didn't work out. </div><div>
</div><div>See, I love all of these discussions. Sometimes I think I want to go back to school to be a nutritionist, but then there's that whole science thing...</div><div>
</div>

firsttimersluck · February 2013

hah yeah.. lobsters I guess that sounds bad of me.. Idk. I mean.. we all work out to eat. But the people that really don't see the long-term at all confuse me. I don't want heart disease. THat's important to me. That's something I can start preventing RIGHT NOW.

I think a lot of people have a hard time thinking of anything other thanthe instant gratification. (don't get me wrong.. when I have a glass of wine on a Friday night I feel no guilt because I know I busted my butt all week :P )

Lobsters25 · February 2013

it doesn't sound bad of you, no worries - I was just adding to the lightheartedness, though that doesn't always come across on the interwebs.

I get what you mean, though, and totally agree

jennylee813 · February 2013

I subscribe to the belief that if you eat well 80% of the time, you'll be fine. So yes, a glass of wine or a piece of cheesecake isn't going to kill you, unless both are staples of your diet and make up at least a portion of every meal!

I'll never forget my sister refusing to eat a piece of cake at her son's first birthday party because she was 'in training.'

Lobsters25 · February 2013

jenny, really? that makes me so sad! what was she training for?

firsttimersluck · February 2013

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I Need to Rant : This is actually what I'm hoping to do next year! I'm also afraid of the sciencey bits, but have faith because DH conquered a fear of math for a field he's very in to, so I figure I can conquer my fear of science. That's all I got to add, other than that you ladies are amazing and make me smile at the end of a long day.
Posted by kwitherington[/QUOTE]

<div>Yeah, I thought about nutrition as well. I find it so fascinating. Ultimtely I decided to go the group X route because I know I want to actually use the degree I have. But man it's so much fun. And I agree Lobsters.. THese discussions are always great. We're kinda awesome here on the GIS board ;) </div>

entropicbeauty · February 2013

Loved reading this discussion and I agree - I did south beach years and years ago and of course I dropped about 20lbs, but I couldn't keep it up!

It really is about finding a lifestyle that is healthy and works for you, I'm never going to be able to fully give up foods I enjoy so I've learned to eat them in moderation - and guess what? That works for me.

unchatenfrance · February 2013

I just want to clarify in case anybody has this misconception - Paleo isn't about giving up foods you love. COMPLETELY. Sure, I don't eat grains on a daily or even weekly basis because they generally don't sit well with me and I don't want to (there's nothing like a bowl of pasta for me to slip into a coma), and I keep my sugar consumption in check. But every once in a while when I do want real pizza, spanakopita, baklava or other foods for which there really is no "I can't-believe-this-is-Paleo" alternative, I go for it. And I enjoy it. So do about 99.99% of Paleo folks out there. It's all about moderation, as entropic said. It's just that some have a narrower definition of moderation.

firsttimersluck · February 2013

unchatenfrance, not sure if that was kinda directed towards me since I said I don't like the diet.. but that's not my issue with it so no big (besides, you could say that I have cut out an entire food group with cutting out all dairy/meat). You have to make the choices that are best for you. I just don't like it from an environmental standpoint.

unchatenfrance · February 2013

Firsttimers, it wasn't directed at you, just to the general comments about "I can't give up food x because I love it so much." Before I started Primal, I didn't think I could start the day without my oatmeal or toast with almond butter and jam. Turns out I can and I feel soooo much better without them. Yes, that first week was brutal but I told myself that I could have my oatmeal that first Saturday after 5 work days of no grains. And I did. Then I went grain-free for another week, and told myself again I could have my oatmeal the second Saturday. By that second Saturday, I genuinely, honestly, had zero desire to eat it. I remember that moment like it was yesterday. I was standing in the kitchen, staring at my oatmeal. My brain was saying, "come on, you know you want it," while my stomach was saying, "no, I defiitely do not wish to consume this." And honestly, I was shocked at what my stomach was telling me, because self-control is not my forte. I was perfectly willing to indulge, but something else inside me was saying no. It was a total Oprah "a-ha" moment.

I know we all need to do what works for us, but I guess what I'm trying to say is that people shouldn't be afraid to try new things, either. You won't know what works for you until you try it. But the flip side is that something will work for you only if you genuinely give it an honest go and don't self-sabotage (says the girl who, if left to her own devices, would devour a box of chocolate daily.)

entropicbeauty · February 2013

@Unchaten - I said what I did because I've TRIED diets where I give up things completely and that ends up biting me in the butt later and I will binge eat it when I finally cave. I know that I can live without ice cream, but I don't really WANT to, y'know? My biggest issue is that I have a binge eating problem and learning how to interact with food in moderation is what has helped me overcome it (for the most part)

unchatenfrance · February 2013

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[QUOTE]@Unchaten - I said what I did because I've TRIED diets where I give up things completely and that ends up biting me in the butt later and I will binge eat it when I finally cave. I know that I can live without ice cream, but I don't really WANT to, y'know? My biggest issue is that I have a binge eating problem and learning how to interact with food in moderation is what has helped me overcome it (for the most part)
Posted by entropicbeauty[/QUOTE]

<div>I totally hear you. I have struggled with bingeing too, and for me Primal has helped. I was just trying to say earlier that Primal isn't about giving things up <em>completely,</em> is what a lot of people think it is. Sure, you give up more or less completely the same crap you would be on any other way of healthy eating, but you can still indulge on occasion, give yourself permission to enjoy it, and enjoy it (the "80/20 rule.") My earlier posts were meant as a general PSA about Primal.</div>

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