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Not WPBR, but WR...

Okay, I'm going to ask you ladies what you think, because I trust you guys more than my local board and definitely more then my club board. :) So, Fi graduated with his Masters of Architecture in May, and has since been trying his darndest to find a job. No such luck thus far because in this economy no one is building anything! Presently, we have decided that if his current job lead doesn't amount to anything that we are going to postpone our wedding for a while. This was a hard decision for us, but it is the responsible thing to do (and us as adults recognize this). The problem comes in that FMIL has been trying to get Justin to postpone our wedding for the entire last six months since May. Justin lives at home for now while hes looking for a job, so he puts up with her ridiculous tirades, but just basically ignores them (especially since she basically yells at him and lectures him like he is about 17). Our decision now to postpone was completely independent of FMIL and her opinion, and she doesn't even know that we have talked about postponing at this point; however, FMIL just threw in a little detail into the mix. She just told Justin that if he has a "good" job when we get married, then she will give us $5000 for our wedding, and if he doesn't she will give us $0. This is where Fi and me disagree. I think that under no circumstances should we accept this petty ransom money from FMIL (that is basically what it is...her trying to hold our wedding for ransom by getting us to do what she wants us to do). I think it would basically tell FMIL that she can control us with $$. Fi disagrees and says who cares if she thinks she has control, that we know she doesn't, and it would be stuck up to pass up the money and we should take it and not care what she thinks about it. I am interested to know what you ladies think about it. Thanks.
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Re: Not WPBR, but WR...

  • money with strings is never a good idea
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  • Well, if we turn it down, how do we go about saying that to FMIL and her husband without burning bridges? Because if I know FMIL, she would be seriously offended if we didn't take their money. (hypocritical on her part? yes. anything I can do about it? no.).
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  • If the only string is he should have a good job by the wedding then I would just go with the flow and get married when you want to.If he has a job, then just except the money. As long as you got married when you wanted to and not on her timeframe, what is the big deal? If he does not, then you will not get anything.  Bogus I know, but I did not get a wedding present from my IL's because MIL spent money on DH growing up?  Yep, that was what she told us.






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  • I think it is pretty obvious that he will never have a "good" job since she is the one who gets to define that.  He needs to see a bigger picture and lose the "who cares if she thinks she is in control" deal.  She WOULD be in control if you guys agree to that.  He needs to set boundaries with her now.  If he doesn't,  you don't have a FMIL problem, you have an FI problem.
  • I would not accept it. As to what you should say to FMIL ... if it were me, I might say something like, "FMIL, we really appreciate your offer to help us, but we'd both feel better to try and get by on our own and earn our own money. We are grateful that you offered to help us."
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  • This is how I look at it.  If you were really thinking of postponing the wedding independant of FMIL, then she is not in control. You and your FI are. If your FI will only get married after he gets this so-called 'good' job, you have a problem.  If your FI turns down any non 'good' jobs in hopes for a 'good' job, then you have a problem.If your FI gets a job and you get married then you are still controlling the situation. If your FI happens to get a 'good' job and you get married, you are controlling the situation.  You just get a bonus gift out of it.Do not even think about the money.  As long as you and your FI do what's good for you as far as the job and when to get married, then you will be always be in control. 






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  • The money is a gift and is her choice. Don't discuss it with her any more now. Just go about your business and have the wedding you were planning to have, postponement and all. Do NOT count on this money as going toward the wedding, honeymoon, or a house, or for anything else. Don't plan for it, don't get into any contracts that lead you to *need* it. If she decides to give you guys the $5K when you're getting married, say, "Wow, thanks for the wonderful gift," and go on your merry way. If she tries to give it to you pre-wedding and use it to dictate wedding details that bother you, politely refuse the money. mbcdefg gave you great language for doing that. That's the easiest way - treat it as a possible wedding gift & don't count on it.
  • Money ALWAYS = strings in some way, shape or form.There is an excellent chance that your FMIL will not find any job your FI could get "good" enough. There's also a good chance that if she does deem a job worthy of bestowing this "gift", that she will be holding it over your head when it comes to wedding decisions ("Oh, THAT florist? Funny, I thought you would much prefer MINE considering the generous wedding gift I intend to give you").I personally would not accept the money. If you can't get married without her contribution, then yes, postpone. If you're worried about telling your FMIL you don't want the help, all you need to say to her is "It's our wedding, we feel that we will gain more from the experience if we do this ourselves" or something of that nature.Best Wishes!

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  • Don't accept it. Like pp said, if you accept the $, you and your FI are not in charge. You would be putting the form of the wedding over the substance of the thing. When DH and I got engaged, we did not realize that he would get laid off for budgetary reasons within two weeks and that he would spend our entire engagement period (just over a year) out of work. He got a job two weeks before our wedding and started two weeks after. It entailed a cross-country move and one commuting to see the other every other week...3,000 mi one-way. Hang in there is all I can say. It will be difficult but frankly if you can handle that, you know your marriage is on solid footing because you can navigate through difficult times together. Your FI, not you, should be the one to break it to her. Tell her that you both appreciate her generosity, but the plans will continue as-is. Then ignore her when she (inevitably) brings it up again.
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  • I'm with you.  I wouldn't take it.  I'm a smartass, but I'd say "oh, thanks, but now that FI has this great job, we really don't need it."  She sounds like peach, and I'd want to shut her down now.  This isn't going to end with the wedding.As an aside, if I were your FI I would be taking a job in retail or waiting tables or anything and moving out of her house asap.
  • Don't take this dirty money. She'll never let you forget about how she gave you this money. Not a good idea to take this bribe.
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  • Oh, I know it's hard.  I'm looking right now, too.  But it's often faster to find sometime low level than a real career job.  Not always, but in difficult industries, it could take a while.
  • DH never could get a low level job. Really added insult to injury. But fortunately those days are behind us. As for me I don't even want to think about the legal job market for after I graduate, let alone for this summer.
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  • Thanks for all of the honest responses ladies! It seems the WPB is a bit divided on whether it's okay to take the $$ or not...hmm. I really don't think it's a good idea.As far as looking for any job, he has been doing that, but he is finding that places won't hire him due to his Master's degree. He also is somewhat afraid that if he takes another job that it will be harder to get into architecture (especially after the next year of students graduate, because they will all have more up-to-date training on the latest technology and software).As far as FMIL, yeah, she is quite the "peach." For the first year FI and I were together, FMIL had absolutely no problem with me. Then, she found out that I am an agnostic atheist and for the next two years she talked smack about me to FI, then acted all nice and polite to me to my face. Yeah, she is awesome. Although, she has not said anything bad about me in the last four years...I think part of it was that she had never actually met an atheist and so she didn't really know that you can lack a belief in God and still be a good person (I really don't think she realized this). Yeah "peach" is the right word for her.
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  • Emily--my DH found the same thing: Many places won't hire you if you have a master's. I think they think they will demand a salary that's too high so they won't even bother (at least they seem to assume that about MBAs). Your FI should really network the hell out of his alumni association, people he's worked or interned with in the past, etc. DH finally got a job through a friend he and I worked with years ago. I wish you both luck in this!
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  • Brooke-- I think the reasoning for not hiring those w/ a Master's is that they think that once you find something in your field that you'll drop 'em like a hot potato. ...which is probably true, but I would think in a lot of jobs that the turn-over rate is so high anyway that it wouldn't matter...but who knows? I really hope he finds something soon though, because it's stressing us out. The moving thing too, because his current job lead would require a cross-country move if he gets it...ugh stressss! Thanks for the support!
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  • I'd ignore her.It almost sounds like the $5000 is what, a gift?So he gets to say, "Mom, I'd hope that a wedding gift is not contingent upon my employment status but rather on my happiness."And then he should drop it.  I HATE it when parents do the money dangle.
  • Well if you ever want to vent or talk about it Emily I'm here. DH and I went through all of this last year and now live 3,000 mi apart most of the time because of his new job (I couldn't get the financial aid to work out in time to transfer for this year). So I definitely can relate. Just shrug it off when people say "He should try harder" or "He must not be looking hard enough" or "What is he, too proud to find a fast food job?". It's really tough out there.
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  • Thanks Brooke, will do...//Just shrug it off when people say "He should try harder" or "He must not be looking hard enough" or "What is he, too proud to find a fast food job?".//Yeah, I've been running into this from my own sisters...fun stuff.How long until you get to move to where your DH is?
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  • School year ends in mid-May so that's when I plan to move out there. If I could have made the move this year I would have. The timing was just such that it was too late to transfer and still get financial aid. I'm on a scholarship now so DH and I thought it would be best not to pay an extra $30k/year if we could help it. I won't find out until July whether I can be a visiting student at the local law school (attend classes there, get JD from current school). But from what my current school has told me it usually isn't very difficult if you have a good reason for spending your last year of law school in a different place, and they said I have a very good reason. So here's hoping!
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  • I'm crossing my fingers for you! LD relationships suck!
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