Info for socially conscious brides

amyj1276 · September 2012

For those of you, like me, who are very careful about making sure your money is going to socially responsible companies, you should be aware that Hobby Lobby is anti-women.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/09/12/835861/craft-store-sues-contraception/

cwaggoner07 · September 2012

Just because someone's political views differ from your own does not mean they are anti-women. That's a pretty bold statement.

lyndausvi · September 2012

This is one reason I hate employer based health insurance. Every company has their own view on what and how much to cover. Sometimes it's based on religion, other times it's based on costs. In either case it's the employee who gets screwed.

Anyway, Holly Lobby is privately run by a very conservative family. They are closed on Sundays and their stores are filled with Christian items. It's not at all surprising their stance on the subject. I don't feel the same way, but I respect their views on the subject.

Business wise I think it a bad move. I doubt adding BC to their health care coverage costs them much (if any) more as far as premiums go, but lose of business could. Or maybe not. It seems Chick-fil-a hasn't suffered from their stance on gay rights.

I'm also surprised that people think that just because it's a large company they leave their core religious values at home. It's not a corporation that has to answer to stock holders. It's privately owned I would think most family owned business run their business using their core values. Which in some cases means religious values.

Spunky414 · September 2012

Hobby Lobby has supported some disgusting causes long before the birth control thing. Anti-gay, supporting ministries that encourage women to stay with abusive men and child beating, having more children than you can avoid or safely carry. Oh and even though they are closed on Sundays, employees still go in to do stock because it's how things look that's important. It's not like they've ever supported just harmless Christian causes.

cwaggoner07 · September 2012

I just think businesses have the right to run their businesses however they want, and if consumers don't like it, they can vote with their money. I totally support OP (and anyone else) who chooses not to shop there. If you don't like it, don't give the business your money... or your employment!

GoodLuckBear14 · September 2012

If you look hard enough, you will probably find something that you disagree with when it comes to any company.

cwaggoner07 · September 2012

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[QUOTE]If you look hard enough, you will probably find something that you disagree with when it comes to any company.
Posted by GoodLuckBear14[/QUOTE]

TOTALLY. Maybe it makes me seem lazy, but unless I'm wronged as a consumer in the course of business, I'm probably not going to boycott.

GoodLuckBear14 · September 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Info for socially conscious brides : TOTALLY. Maybe it makes me seem lazy, but unless I'm wronged as a consumer in the course of business, I'm probably not going to boycott.
Posted by cwaggoner07[/QUOTE]

Yep. Target isn't perfect but I prefer it to Walmart. I don't agree with Chik-fil-A's owners but damn do they make delicious fried chicken sandwiches. Unless somebody has a banner outside their business stating the owner's political beliefs - and I have seen this one time - I don't care.

The only time I saw this was in 2004. The owner of the building where my law firm was located hung a huge "W" from the side so it would be seen by everyone, including the President and Senator Kerry flying into the city. As the leases of different firms came up for renewal, he lost every law firm that was in that building and a couple of other companies. The last I heard, it was only at 30% capacity with tenants.

QueerFemme · September 2012

The catholic church is anti-woman. I am not sure how any educated person, even catholics, could possibly disagree with that, but I'm sure plenty of people do.

I do not support businesses who spend their money contributing to organizations/causes I firmly disagree with. Private businesses have a right to spend their money however they see fit, but I'm not giving them my money. I will spend my money with businesses who don't spend their money supporting organizations who are advocating for my extinction.

RebeccaB88 · September 2012

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[QUOTE]Hobby Lobby has supported some disgusting causes long before the birth control thing. Anti-gay, supporting ministries that encourage women to stay with abusive men and child beating, having more children than you can avoid or safely carry. Oh and even though they are closed on Sundays, employees still go in to do stock because it's how things look that's important. It's not like they've ever supported just harmless Christian causes.
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And this is why I choose not to do business with HL/Mardel. They are free to run their business how they see fit, and I am free to choose to spend my money elsewhere if I don't like that.

amyj1276 · September 2012

Um. Actually, it's precisely the policies on contraception and reproductive rights that make this company (and the Catholic Church for that matter) anti-women.

People are certainly entitled to their own viewpoints. What they shouldn't be entitled to do is create policy that affects other people based on those viewpoints. Any company that has policies that are harmful to entire populations (LGBT, women, children, minorites, etc.) will never get my business. Note that I wasn't telling anyone to boycott; I was simply informing those who DO care about where their money goes that this is something they should be aware of. I do find it sad, though, that we are such an apathetic country whose only goal is to buy lots of things at the cheapest price possible regardless of what 10-year old made it or what women have to sacrifice to sell it to them. Sad indeed.

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[QUOTE]Hobby Lobby is owned by conservative Christians. No big surprise, since they play religious music on their in-store music system. They are closed on Sundays. I do not happen to agree with their stance on emergency contraception (the morning after pill), but I respect that there are many different views on this subject. This doesn't make an organization "anti-woman". That's a very big generalization to make. If you follow that thinking, the Catholic Church is anti-women because they oppose all contraception except the rhythm method.
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jenajjthr · September 2012

PP I'm glad you have the money to pick and choose where you can shop. Unfortunately not all people have that same luxury. And unless your paying more than $1 for bananas you are contributing to low pay for the people who gather them.

Thank you for informing us of Hobby Lobbys business practice. It might influence somebodys decision to shop there or not.

As an example of how the catholic church is extremely anti-woman. The church is threatening to remove a nun, possibly excommunicate her for a book she wrote promoting women's health issues, contraception, etc. But here where I live they refuse to remove a Bishop even though he did not report to police a priest who had sexually abused children.

christinamarie325 · September 2012

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[QUOTE] except the rhythm method.
Posted by CMGr[/QUOTE]<div>
</div><div>It's not the Rythm Method. it is Natural Family Planning. There are the Creighton Methods, Billings, Sympto-Thermal, etc. It's very scientifically sound. I cringe when people say Rythm because that is outdated and is not reliable.

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christinamarie325 · September 2012

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<div>I know it's off topic. Just felt like butting in.</div>

christinamarie325 · September 2012

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<div>My favorite ;)</div>

amyj1276 · September 2012

Ha! I've been "out on my own in the real world" for 25 years. And no, I haven't bought any of those products or supported any of those things in probably just as long. Do I own things whose manufacturing was harmful to someone? Undoubtedly. But when I can and where I can have any control over it I minimize that. I do buy local and support locally made products (or fair trade products or products made in Germany and other places with strong labor laws). But that's not really my point. None of us have control over every single thing we own (as just one example it's not possible to own a cell phone without having an impact on child slave labor). But where there's blatant and overt bad practices (e.g., Walmart) or discriminatory practices (e.g., chickfille or Hobby Lobby), I indeed never spend my money there. I would sooner starve naked than have Walmart get a dime. As someone mentioned, I thankfully do have that luxery, although I didn't always have that luxery and still managed to be as socially concious as possible in what little purchasing power I had. Granted, back then there were much stronger labor laws and food regulation here and where international manufacturing was done, and the "profits over people" culture that we have now hadn't quite taken over yet.

And again, I never mentioned the word boycott. I am simply passing on information to those who are as selective as I am about where they spend money. I do this because I hope that others do the same so I am made aware of things as they come up.

We as a society ABSOLUTELY care more about having as much "stuff" as possible and don't care a lick about where it comes from. That's not to say that individually we don't care. But holistically--as an entire culture--the evidence is pretty clear about who buys what and why. Is that insulting? Yes. It's insulting to me as an American when I'm outside of the country knowing and seeing the results of our mindless consumption. I don't blame that on people who are struggling and doing what they can to get by. I blame that on the policy makers who have allowed deregulation to give a very small group of people (and by people I, of course, mean corporations) complete power over lobbying, pricing, manufacturing, and sales. I blame it on every Congress that has allowed a farm bill to pass that expands subsidies to corn used for high fructose corn syrup and that allows processed food to be substantailly less expensive than real food. But at the end of the day, the supply is simply feeding the demand. And the demand is increasing because people--on a macro scale--are happy remaining uneducated about how purchasing power from various angles affects Congressional lobbying and the products and food that results.

Arrogent? Condescending? Maybe. But honest and factual as well.

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[QUOTE]That first part is a mighty bold claim. Every bought Brawny paper towels? Dixie cups or plates? Anything by Georgia Pacific paper products? Have you ever worn anything made with Lycra? Ever dropped change in a Salvation Army bucket? Supported the armed forces, particularly the Air Force? It's a noble goal to be sure, but unless you are mostly self sustaining and able to shop raw materials and local food only, chances are that your money is going somewhere that has antihumanitarian policies. Personally, I do my best to minimize the damage that my money does, but to say you NEVER spend money with ANY company that has antiLGBT women children or labor policies is naive. And to equate others who don't boycott, which by the way means to refuse to do business with, these major companies to a greedy consumer who is obsessed with owning the most things possible for the least amount of money is ridiculous and insulting. I was with you until this last post, which was arrogant and condescending. When you get out on your own in the real world and have to deal with both cars and the washing machine all breaking down in the same month, while you are between jobs, you may find that you cannot spend 3 times the national average on groceries that week just to ease your social conscience.
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sonya+adam · September 2012

While I disagree with Hobby Lobby's opinions on contraceptions, I'm not going to stop buying their products, becuase it's an awesome store. Also because I respect that they have their views and are not going to hide it just because other people disagree, much like the Chick-fil-A issue, but that's a completely different subject.

Hobby Lobby isn't going to be able to do anything about having to add BC to their coverage because it will now be mandated by the government, unless otherwise said by the State Governor.

Personally, I don't understand why they are against contraceptives. Christians are opposed to abortions, and are doing everything possible in order to prevent them, or make them illegal, but they are also against one of the biggest things that stop unwanted pregnancies? I don't think you can have both.

amyj1276 · November 2012

Pleased to see that discrimination under the guise of religiosity is not permitted under the law. I still will not shop there, but this result is good!

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/11/19/1219011/hobby-lobby-judge/?mobile=nc

Hobby Lobby Must Cover Contraception For Employees, Judge Rules

By Annie-Rose Strasser on Nov 19, 2012 at 8:20 pm

A federal judge ruled Monday night that the Hobby Lobby craft store chain must offer its 13,000 employees contraceptive coverage without a co-pay, as mandated by Obamacare.

Hobby Lobby sued to deny such coverage in September, citing conservative evangelical owner David Green’s personal religious objections to certain types of birth control that fall under Obamacare’s contraception mandate. In particular, the company sought to deny its employees coverage for the morning after pill, commonly known as Plan B.

But on Monday night, U.S. District Judge Joe Heaton denied the request in a 28-page ruling, pointing out that religious institutions have already been given exemptions from covering contraception, and that Hobby Lobby does not qualify since it is a private business:

“However, Hobby Lobby and Mardel [its partner company] are not religious organizations,” the ruling states. “Plaintiffs have not cited, and the court has not found, any case concluding that secular, for-profit corporations such as Hobby Lobby and Mardel have a constitutional right to the free exercise of religion.”

Hobby Lobby’s attorney said the companies’ owners, the Green family, plan to appeal.

“Every American, including family business owners like the Greens, should be free to live and do business according to their religious beliefs,” Kyle Duncan, general counsel for the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, said in a statement.

Just last week, a different federal judge issued an injunction over the contraception mandate in Obamacare, siding with religious employers of a private company. But Judge Heaton’s assessment of the law is correct: While non-profit religious institutions are already exempt from the mandate, private businesses do not have the same exemption.

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