Statistics people, come here.

Blueyed228 · March 2012

I wish I knew that broads name who does the polling and stuff from the big thread a few weeks ago.

I saw this the other day and found it really interesting to the whole "George Bush spent WAYYY more money than Obama has!!" debate. Im just not sure of the validity of it.

What say you.

http://www.heritage.org/multimedia/infographic/2011/10/delivering-debt?query=Delivering+Debt

chelseamb11 · March 2012

Yeah I've read stats on both sides of the Obama coin. I've seen graphs that prove he has created jobs and helped the economy, I've also seen graphs that prove he has destroyed jobs and hurt the economy. I personally feel like the whole "aura" of the country is way worse now than it was three years ago. I don't buy the whole "we're still suffering from what Bush did". If Bush was such a horrible president and Obama is such a superhero, I feel like things would be at least slightly better.

jmconley08 · March 2012

Bush is/was a horrible president. Obama isn't a superhero because it would take one to get us out of this huge mess we are in.

Obama is doing fine by me though. Has helped me when I was on unemployment a couple years ago (for a few months), has helped make it easier to pay back my student loans (saving me $200 a month right now w/ IBR repayment plan for federal loans), has pulled all troops out of Iraq, and believes women shouold have complete control of their bodies. What's not to like again?

Blueyed228 · March 2012

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[QUOTE]Bush is/was a horrible president. Obama isn't a superhero because it would take one to get us out of this huge mess we are in. Obama is doing fine by me though. Has helped me when I was on unemployment a couple years ago (for a few months), has helped make it easier to pay back my student loans (saving me $200 a month right now w/ IBR repayment plan for federal loans), has pulled all troops out of Iraq, and believes women shouold have complete control of their bodies. What's not to like again?
Posted by jmconley08[/QUOTE]

I dont like being in the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. I also dont like that the 1st amendment is seriously being Constitutionally challenged for the first time in over 200 years. But that really wasnt the question. If he has spend more money in 4 years than Bush did in 8, how does that make Bush worse? Or is it that it doesnt matter since "he" (taxpayers) helped you out so much?

pirategal03 · March 2012

I'd like to know what OMB data they're using to calculate that.

Same with the jobs data that I see. (I know you didn't ask about that) Reports showing how many jobs were "created" with stimulus money are a little misleading, IMO. Really what they can measure is how many hours of work the money paid for, then they divide the weekly amount by 40 and call that "jobs created" for the week. There's no way to measure how many people were hired, or weren't laid off because of the funding.

There are so many ways to interpret the data that's available, I'm not surprised that many different charts saying contradictory things exist.

Blueyed228 · March 2012

Interesting Pirate.

cheeseandrice · March 2012

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[QUOTE]Bush is/was a horrible president. Obama isn't a superhero because it would take one to get us out of this huge mess we are in. Obama is doing fine by me though. Has helped me when I was on unemployment a couple years ago (for a few months), has helped make it easier to pay back my student loans (saving me $200 a month right now w/ IBR repayment plan for federal loans), has pulled all troops out of Iraq, and believes women shouold have complete control of their bodies. What's not to like again?
Posted by jmconley08[/QUOTE]

Glad to see you're being objective. I mean, I could go on and on about how Obama is simply taking away any necessity for personal responsibility and continuing to perpetuate the "gimmie gimmie" entitlement issues of the upcoming generation... meanwhile, forcing those of us who are actually responsible to pay for everyone else's decisions. BUT that's not what Blue asked, so I won't.

cheeseandrice · March 2012

Ditto Pirate. I pretty much ignore any claims regarding jobs and unemployment that either side puts out. There are about 537 different ways to define "unemployment" and "job creation" that it's pretty much a useless measure (at least in the way the stats are manipulated for media purposes.)

pirategal03 · March 2012

Blue, have you looked at Recovery.gov much?

Blueyed228 · March 2012

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[QUOTE]Blue, have you looked at Recovery.gov much?
Posted by pirategal03[/QUOTE]

I have not. My problem is that I dont understand the numbers. Its a downfall of mine I wish I could overcome, but statistics, numbers, economics are not my strongest suit.

pirategal03 · March 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Statistics people, come here. : I have not. My problem is that I dont understand the numbers. Its a downfall of mine I wish I could overcome, but statistics, numbers, economics are not my strongest suit.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

Well, that and there's always a spin to them. You'd think the statistics would be straightforward, but it's not that simple. I work with this stuff and still get tangled up trying to figure out what's being reported.

chelseamb11 · March 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Statistics people, come here. : Glad to see you're being objective. I mean, I could go on and on about how Obama is simply taking away any necessity for personal responsibility and continuing to perpetuate the "gimmie gimmie" entitlement issues of the upcoming generation... meanwhile, forcing those of us who are actually responsible to pay for everyone else's decisions. BUT that's not what Blue asked, so I won't.
Posted by Steph+J[/QUOTE]

Steph, you have such a way with words :)

Blueyed228 · March 2012

OBAMA IS GONNA PUT GAS IN MY CAR AND PAY MY MORTGAGE! WOO WOO!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg98BvqUvCc

jmconley08 · March 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Statistics people, come here. : I dont like being in the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. I also dont like that the 1st amendment is seriously being Constitutionally challenged for the first time in over 200 years. But that really wasnt the question. If he has spend more money in 4 years than Bush did in 8, how does that make Bush worse? Or is it that it doesnt matter since "he" (taxpayers) helped you out so much?
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

Worst financial crisis is all your Bush man's doing. Obama is trying to improve it.

I do believe in freedom of speech but also believe women's health needs to be protected in any and every case (not ysure which one you're talking about)

Sometimes you have to spend $$ to make it. Think of it as an investment in the country.

And yea the taxpayers (myself included) finalllly helped me out. I've helped the rest of them plenty.

jmconley08 · March 2012

p.s. See you November 6th.

jmconley08 · March 2012

but about the stats- they are from a conservative group. of course they are going to be skewed. you need some independant research. but i do not have any for you.

Blueyed228 · March 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Statistics people, come here. : Worst financial crisis is all your Bush man's doing. Obama is trying to improve it.<strong><u> I do believe in freedom of speech but also believe women's health needs to be protected in any and every case (not ysure which one you're talking about)</u></strong> Sometimes you have to spend $$ to make it. Think of it as an investment in the country. And yea the taxpayers (myself included) finalllly helped me out. I've helped the rest of them plenty.
Posted by jmconley08[/QUOTE]

Jesus. Im talking about Freedom of Religion. Are you serious?

Blueyed228 · March 2012

And which one of these is a conservative group?

calculations based on data from Office of Management and Budget, Historical Tables, and Congressional Budget Office, Long-Term Budget Outlook, June 2011, Alternative Fiscal Scenario.

J&K10910 · March 2012

My issue with this is there is nothing accounting for third variables (like comparing what ELSE is going into the spending--i.e. inflation, war, natural disasters, etc). Yes, either way it appears he's still spending more, but at least some of the spending is due to situations outside their control--and it would be nice to compare those side by side.

Like, if Bush spent all his money on cleaning up after natural disasters, and Obama spent all his on hookers and blow, I've got a big issue. But if Bush spent all his on putting troops in the Middle East, funding programs that I don't believe in, etc (not saying this is what happened at all, just an example) and Obama's number is higher because he was cleaning up after natural disasters and putting money into a war he didn't start, then I don't really have as much issue.

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