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When would you throw in the towel? Longish, sorry.

I don't normally post on this board, but it seemed the most appropriate. The more I think about it, this may be more of a vent than a request for advice. I'll try to stick to the basics.

I got engaged last September; by late Oct/early Nov, I had asked 3 friends to be bridesmaids for my June 2012 wedding. One is a 10-yr friend from college and the other two are 5-yr friends from a former job. I was most recently in Vermont (now in Canada until the wedding), and the 3 girls live in Texas and Florida. Because we were so spread out, I knew that some of the more typical wedding things weren't going to happen; dress shopping, cake tasting, wedding shower, bachelorette party, etc. 

None of them made a big deal about paying to fly to Canada for the wedding, but I told them right away that I'd rather have them there than not, so I'd pay for their dress and shoes, pick them up from/take them to the airport, and let them stay with me. They just needed a plane ticket.  Most of my family is not coming due to the travel aspect, so I really wanted these close friends there with me.

Ordering dresses was a nightmare and took months due to them dragging their heels.  Now, I've been emailing them to ask for their flight information, plans for hair/makeup on the wedding day, etc. No response. Let me say at this point that my mother lives in CA and my future mother in law lives in Lebanon (the country), so I've been doing all of the planning on my own, and when I send emails to the bridesmaids with updates (here's the venue, here's the caterer/baker), I get no response. I don't need oohs and aahs; I'm really just looking for acknowledgement that they are getting my emails, and maybe advice.  Two of these girls are veteran BM’s and I wanted their ideas/opinions.

Here we are about 5 weeks from the wedding. One bridesmaid has purchased a plane ticket and RSVP'd with her meal choice. She also responds to my emails, briefly but when she can. So she's good to go. The other two are MIA.

FL BM called a few months ago saying tickets from Miami to Montreal were $400 round trip, should she buy them? I said yes, that is an amazing deal! She did not. Fast forward to last week, she still has no ticket, but she did buy a ticket to the Bahamas for a wedding two weeks before mine (this friend became engaged after I asked her to be in my wedding), and she has also purchased a ticket to Colombia (the country) for a cousin’s wedding later in the summer. She did RSVP to me with a meal choice, but  I don't take that as a definite yes.

TX BM#2 has not responded to any of my communication in the last 5 weeks. I've emailed 5 times in the last month and called her twice last week and received no response. She hasn't RSVP'd and the last time I spoke to her on the phone in March, she had not purchased a ticket yet. She was just finishing her MBA, so I understood that she had been busy.  She said that when she graduated in March, she’d have more time to figure out her plans. I put out an APB on Facebook and a couple friends said they exchanged text messages with her last week. That lead me to believe she is ignoring me. She has a Blackberry, so I know her emails are literally at her fingertips.  My most recent email was more or less a blunt, “Are you coming? I haven’t heard from you and I’m worried something’s wrong.”  Now every time I check email and there’s no response, it saddens me more.

I know that as we get closer to the date, the more expensive plane tickets will be. I'm afraid that either I'll never hear from them, or they'll say that now tickets are too much and they can't afford to come. My mother keeps saying that I should find someone else to fill in, which is utterly ridiculous. Not that I would replace them, but how would anyone be able to get a dress and shoes so quickly? The shear logistics make it almost impossible, not to mention rude all around.

So I’m wondering; if this were you, when would you assume they are not coming? I guess I’m mostly hurt by their actions, and I don’t feel I’m being a bridezilla; all I am asking them to do is show up!  I apologize this is so stupidly long, but just needed to tell someone and hopefully someone can give me a good pep talk.  Thanks. 

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Re: When would you throw in the towel? Longish, sorry.

  • aragx6aragx6 member
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    I don't think hyou should assume anything either way. Because you're not going to replace them regardless (good for you; that'd be awful), it doesn't really make a difference right now. I'm sorry they're being flaky. That really does suck.
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  • It sucks that they're being like that, but I don't know what else you can do.  Like the saying goes "hope for the best, but expect the worst".   Try not to waste any more of your time/emotions on it, focus on what you can control.

    Good luck!
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  • megsch88megsch88 member
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    edited May 2012
    Don't assume they won't come, and don't replace them. Call them instead of FB, e-mail, and all that stuff. I would also, if and when you call, ask them how their lives are going and just talk a while because asking them if they are coming just straight up would probably annoy them. They may just feel slightly turned off by the wedding right now, or like with the FL BM, she is going to three wedding pretty close together. She may be all wedding-ed out.
  • Thank you all for your comments and for reading all of that.  I didn't realize how long it was until I actually posted it!  Just trying to give a background.

    I know there's not much to be done, but this has been weighing on me quite a bit.  As I mentioned, my mother (as well as my SO and his mother) all think I should start looking for replacements ASAP.  They just don't get it, which makes it difficult to discuss my feelings with them. 

    As far as communicating, I usually email since I can update all of them at once and try to encourage conversation since they don't all know each other.  When I was in VT I would call them, but their schedules are so varied that even making a phone date was hard.  Now I'm in another country and making phone calls is even harder.

    I really just want to know if I should be preparing the apartment for guests?  Finding someone to do their hair/makeup?  Putting together BM gifts?   Just a yay or nay would be nice. I know I'm preaching to the choir, but sigh, it's frustrating!

    Thanks again. 
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  • I think this is tough and stressful but I wouldn't assume they are not coming.  At our wedding there was only one couple who didn't RSVP and they didn't show up but that is just my one experience...some other's can be different. 

    If the FL BM did RSVP she probably is waiting on her next paycheck for the plane ticket, especially since she just spent money on a different ticket.

    The TX BM may just be a big procrastinator and too embarrassed to say anything to you.  Either way I wouldn't say too much more.  MAYBE one more email saying "Hi, friend, hope is all well.  I have your dress and accommodations ready, let me know when/if I can pick you up from the airport!  Miss you!"

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  • I agree with the PPs about checking in with them and making it NON wedding related.   You could just call and say "I have left a few messages here and on FB/email and haven't heard back from you.  I just wanted to check in with you and make sure you were ok and see how you were doing.  Give me a call when you can so we can catch up".   

    If they call you back... talk about their lives for a while, and hopefully, they will ask you about your life too... and you can say "oh, just busy with wedding stuff".   The conversation about their travel and other plans hopefully will just happen naturally.

    And then, let it go.  Breathe and focus on other wedding stuff.   You can always buy their gifts and return them after the wedding if they are no-shows.  As far as makeup/hair .... set your own appointment, and appointments for anyone else you have confirmation from, and then everyone else can be on their own. 

    The only other thing I have to add... is no matter how much pressure you are getting from other people to do so, don't replace them.  Asking soemone to be your BM 4 weeks before the wedding is rude.  They know you really didn't want them in the wedding and they are just a placeholder.  
  • Thanks ladies.  And I just want to confirm/reiterate that I won't be replacing anyone.  :)  I have two brothers, SO has two brothers, and I don't have any female cousins.  So, a lot of thought went into my choice the first time. 

    I think my mother has just reached her stress point of planning.  I asked who I wanted, and all other close friends were invited as guests.  Many of those guests have declined the RSVP, and if the BM's are MIA, then where would she expect me to find someone anyway?  Plus at a month away, how would they get a dress and shoes?  Not to mention be offended. I just think she's concerned about 'looks' and things being even, and my SO and future MIL are like "oh, well, just ask someone else."  But, future MIL has 7 sisters, so they were all each other's BM's, so I'm not sure she really understands...
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  • Personally, at this point, I think she's not planning on coming, and she's too chicken to tell you up front.  I might call her, and if she doesn't answer, leave one last message saying that you care about her and are worried about her because you haven't heard from her, and you understand if circumstances prevent her from coming to the wedding, but you really just want to know if she's ok.  Then I'd plan on her not attending unless she comes to you and lets you know that she is.  You've given her enough chances, and she's in the wrong for not being upfront with you, but I really don't think she wants to be there.

    I just think she's ready to back away from the friendship and let it go, but doesn't want to 'break up' with you. It sucks and it's a cowards way out, to me, but you can't force her to get her plane ticket and show up.  It is what it is.

    And I suspect FL BM has other wedding priorities than yours, and I don't think she will be there either.  Gut feeling.  She needs to suck it up and tell you that too.
  • edited May 2012
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_wedding-party_when-would-you-throw-in-the-towel-longish-sorry?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:37Discussion:3daca20c-354a-4198-8a16-07a21cd8f13dPost:11352dcd-a769-4dd0-a35e-5afbd1ba8d34">Re: When would you throw in the towel? Longish, sorry.</a>:
    [QUOTE]Personally, at this point, I think she's not planning on coming, and she's too chicken to tell you up front.  I might call her, and if she doesn't answer, leave one last message saying that you care about her and are worried about her because you haven't heard from her, and you understand if circumstances prevent her from coming to the wedding, but you really just want to know if she's ok.  Then I'd plan on her not attending unless she comes to you and lets you know that she is.  You've given her enough chances, and she's in the wrong for not being upfront with you, but I really don't think she wants to be there. I just think she's ready to back away from the friendship and let it go, but doesn't want to 'break up' with you. It sucks and it's a cowards way out, to me, but you can't force her to get her plane ticket and show up.  It is what it is. And I suspect FL BM has other wedding priorities than yours, and I don't think she will be there either.  Gut feeling.  She needs to suck it up and tell you that too.
    Posted by RebeccaB88[/QUOTE]

    Unfortunately, this is exactly how I'm feeling and what I'm sort of planning on. Maybe I'll be surpised and they'll get their shiz together, but I doubt it. It does make me extremely sad that this is happening, but I guess I can't do much. 

    My messages do typically consist of chit chat, "How are you?  Just wanted to catch up.  Send me an email or look for me on Skype!" or "Hey, are you alive? just checking." (this is our joke). So no wedding stuff, and in my last email I told her I was worried that I haven't heard from her and I hope she's alright.  

    OK, big deep breath and I'm going to try and let it go.  I'll be stressed until the wedding, but after that I guess I'll have to accept it.
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  • Try not to be stressed until the wedding. I am pretty sure, if your wedding is barely a month away... if they don't have tickets in a week or so, you'll know they aren't coming.   So, I would just plan on them not being there.   And, if somehow, a week or so before the wedding they call and say they booked their flight, you can call the hair stylist and makeup person and see if they have enough time for all of you.

    If you have made plenty of calls/texts, I'd maybe wait until the end of this week, make one more call, and then wash your hands of the whole situation. 

    I'm sorry this is happening to you.  that sucks.

  • FutureMrsSSFutureMrsSS member
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    edited May 2012
    I'm sorry this is happening to you. The same thing kind of happened to my FI. He asked his three friends to be his GM. One was thrilled and has booked his ticket, the second was planning on coming and then got a girlfriend and has no money now, and then the third decided never talking to FI again is easier then simply telling him no and he doesn't have the money right now. I know that hurt my FI that somebody he was so close to would rather just stop talking to him then be honest. You sound like you are handling it very well though. In the end you will be married to your FI and that is all that really matters! 
  • yes yes and yes to all these posts.  it hurts but i'm trying to man up and deal.  I talked with my guy when he got home from work today and he made me feel a little bit better.  and surprisingly, shockingly, after we got back from the grocery store FL BM had sent me an email with her flight reservation!  so maybe I just needed to vent to the interweb about it!  now i'm down to one that's MIA, but at least having the other one there makes me feel a lot better.
     
    thank you for all your supportive comments.  it really has helped me calm down a bit.
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  • DH's brother skipped our wedding.  We did everything we could to try to get him there, including offering to pretty much pay his way, but he kept finding excuses and ultimately didn't come.  DH has never really forgiven him, but if it bothered him at all during the wedding itself, he didn't show it.  My brother was also making noises like he wasn't going to come, but since my family is so scattered and I was the last to get married, I told him that if I had to fly out to him and bring him back in my carry-on, I was going to get him there.  I ended up loaning him money for the airfare.  And then MIL decided to bail four days before the wedding, but that was a whole 'nother bundle of drama...

    Anyway, it sucks, but since it's not something you can control, it's not productive to stress about.  If you do have accommodations that need to be made for them, try to do something flexible that will work either way, and plan for them to be there until they definitively tell you no.  You can always save BM gifts for birthdays/Christmas/regifting, tell them that they'll need to handle their own hair and makeup but they can ask you for recommendations if needed, and hey, it'll be nice to come home to a clean apartment after all that stress even if no one else stays there.
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  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_wedding-party_when-would-you-throw-in-the-towel-longish-sorry?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:37Discussion:3daca20c-354a-4198-8a16-07a21cd8f13dPost:b422c20c-8dbb-4b25-b160-47a1e3ef3b5f">Re: When would you throw in the towel? Longish, sorry.</a>:
    [QUOTE]DH's brother skipped our wedding.  We did everything we could to try to get him there, including offering to pretty much pay his way, but he kept finding excuses and ultimately didn't come.  DH has never really forgiven him, but if it bothered him at all during the wedding itself, he didn't show it.  My brother was also making noises like he wasn't going to come, but since my family is so scattered and I was the last to get married, I told him that if I had to fly out to him and bring him back in my carry-on, I was going to get him there.  I ended up loaning him money for the airfare.  And then MIL decided to bail four days before the wedding, but that was a whole 'nother bundle of drama... Anyway, it sucks, but since it's not something you can control, it's not productive to stress about.  If you do have accommodations that need to be made for them, try to do something flexible that will work either way, and plan for them to be there until they definitively tell you no.  You can always save BM gifts for birthdays/Christmas/regifting, tell them that they'll need to handle their own hair and makeup but they can ask you for recommendations if needed, and hey, it'll be nice to come home to a clean apartment after all that stress even if no one else stays there.
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    You are, absolutely right. As I said above, one called a few days ago to tell me she bought her ticket.  Knowing that I have two out of three coming made me feel a lot better.  I'll try calling the other at some point, but I've tried enough for right now.  I understand your story too.  It's frustrating!  Sometimes it feels fruitless, planning this event and not having many guests attend.  We've invited just over 110 people and only heard from about 50-60.  ugh. But, I've decided to try and not stress, and be excited about who is coming.  Plus, with less guests I'll have more time to spend with them! And you're right about the clean apartment. That would be nice. :)

    On a side note, where in OC are you from? I grew up in South Orange County, Laguna Niguel/Dana Point area.   
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  • I lived in Anaheim for a couple of years, then I moved to KC.
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    Sometimes I feel like people think that brides are delicate little flower princesses who get all dressed up and pretty for one special moment of their dreams, when really they're just normal people who just happen to be getting married. Things shouldn't have to be sugar-coated for grown-ass women. -mstar284
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