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Guest # Limited by Venue, Friend/Sorority Sister +1 Question!

So, our venue has put a strict limit on the amount of guests we are permitted to have at the wedding and reception (same venue for both) which greatly influenced the guest list as we were making it. We have a ton of family between the two of us, and this is a destination wedding (5 hours in the car for his, 8 for mine) and we wanted to make sure that the people we are inviting are our nearest and dearest. When inviting friends, I asked around to make sure no one would be offended that they wouldn't be able to bring a plus one (as my mom pointed out, a date we've never met would mean taking the place of someone special to us who we weren't able to include on our guest list). It isn't a matter of money, but of space and what we have been locked into contractually. 
Anyway, I am getting back RSVPs with "and guest" written in when the envelope was specifically addressed to one person. I am trying to deal with these on a case-by-case basis (married couples get priority, where we can make it work) but I made a clear decision that when it came to our friends and sorority sisters our age that the rule would be no dates. There are enough people who are close friends with each other attending that no one would be bored or left our and frankly, I was having nightmares over the potential "Why is her boyfriend more important than mine? I thought you said no dates at all! Why does she have one? They aren't married or anything!!" or "We just got engaged and I know that you said no dates..." If the rule is across the board with these groups, I feel like that keeps everything fair. I love them all and do not want anyone resenting anyone because a certain type of date took priority over another - so no dates for anyone. Does that make sense? Am I a horrible friend? Again, the venue set the limit and there is nothing I can do there. Thank you so much!!

Re: Guest # Limited by Venue, Friend/Sorority Sister +1 Question!

  • Sorry but if they are married then should have been no question it is a 2 person invite.  And if they are in a significant relationship they should have too.  If you weren't  invited to a wedding just before your FI proposed just because you weren't engaged but had maybe been together for a few years, you would probably be pissed too.  You should have started with your 120 number, divide by 2 and figured out 60 couples that you wanted to invite (less if there are families).  That boat has sailed though.  Most people on here will tell you that you need to find a new venue.  Did you invite the full 120 or do you have flexibility???

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  • There is really no flexability and according to my wedding planner, there is at least a 20% negative RSVP for destination weddings and therefore my mother didn't think it would be an issue. I'm just trying to avoid the arguments between people who are irritated that their new BF can't come but so-and-so's BF can. When I was doing my research my planner said that if "and guest" isn't on the invite, then people would know not to bring one - but people are pulling dates out of their rears at this point. The wedding is in 38 days and the entire thing is paid for so we can't move it. What concerns me is that I have no idea who some of these people are that my friends want to bring. We are young, people are flighty, and when I took that pole of "would anyone be angry..." everyone said that it is completely understandable that since they all know each other that they would be perfectly content to visit with one another. That's why this whole "I'm bringing a date" thing took me by surprise when they knew the situation.
  • And the way it was explained to me by the planner was that if someone is told they can't bring a guest, they should understand that THEY were important enough to the bride and groom to invite to their special day and that there must be a good reason - be it venue restraint or size of family or both - that is making them part of a select group. I can't really understand the concept of inviting half of the people you would like to have at your wedding so that 50 perfect strangers can be there to entertain them. 
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    [QUOTE]There is really no flexability and according to my wedding planner,<strong> there is at least a 20% negative RSVP for destination weddings</strong> and therefore my mother didn't think it would be an issue. I'm just trying to avoid the arguments between people who are irritated that their new BF can't come but so-and-so's BF can. When I was doing my research my planner said that if "and guest" isn't on the invite, then people would know not to bring one - but people are pulling dates out of their rears at this point. The wedding is in 38 days and the entire thing is paid for so we can't move it. What concerns me is that I have no idea who some of these people are that my friends want to bring. We are young, people are flighty, and when I took that pole of <strong>"would anyone be angry..." everyone said that it is completely understandable</strong> that since they all know each other that they would be perfectly content to visit with one another. That's why this whole "I'm bringing a date" thing took me by surprise when they knew the situation.
    Posted by TheatreB2B[/QUOTE]

    The 20% rule is never a guarantee.  Don't count on it.

    They may say they understand to your face, but behind your back it's probably a whole different story. 

    It is completely unacceptable to invite a guest and not their spouse or significant other. And on top of it, it's a destination wedding.....who wants to travel 5 or 8 hours by themself?  Really?  You really should've thought about this earlier and cut your guest list down or found a different venue that could accomodate the number of guests you wanted.
  • The only people who are RSVPing for 2 at this point are within 30 minutes of the venue. They won't even be getting hotel rooms. 

    And after we narrowed down our mutual friends, our mothers took over and invited more than we were told we could have. I'm really caught between a rock and a hard place. 
  • By "not getting hotel rooms" I mean they haven't made arrangements. We aren't providing the hotel rooms to anyone outside of the wedding party. Just making that part clear. 
  • HobokensFuryHobokensFury member
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    edited May 2012
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_invites-paper_guest-limited-by-venue-friendsorority-sister-1-question?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:cd062f89-8272-496a-b0ab-225e1f87acecDiscussion:6168531d-53f9-499b-b6fe-1863b68b533bPost:f13237a5-db94-47a8-9431-60e37b0a7dd6">Guest # Limited by Venue, Friend/Sorority Sister +1 Question!</a>:
    [QUOTE]So, our venue has put a strict limit on the amount of guests we are permitted to have at the wedding and reception (same venue for both) which greatly influenced the guest list as we were making it. We have a ton of family between the two of us, and this is a destination wedding (5 hours in the car for his, 8 for mine) and we wanted to make sure that the people we are inviting are our nearest and dearest. When inviting friends, I asked around to make sure no one would be offended that they wouldn't be able to bring a plus one (as my mom pointed out, a date we've never met would mean taking the place of someone special to us who we weren't able to include on our guest list). It isn't a matter of money, but of space and what we have been locked into contractually. <strong> Anyway, I am getting back RSVPs with "and guest" written in when the envelope was specifically addressed to one person. I am trying to deal with these on a case-by-case basis (married couples get priority, where we can make it work) but I made a clear decision that when it came to our friends and sorority sisters our age that the rule would be no dates.</strong> There are enough people who are close friends with each other attending that no one would be bored or left our and frankly, I was having nightmares over the potential "Why is her boyfriend more important than mine? I thought you said no dates at all! Why does she have one? They aren't married or anything!!" or "We just got engaged and I know that you said no dates..." If the rule is across the board with these groups, I feel like that keeps everything fair. I love them all and do not want anyone resenting anyone because a certain type of date took priority over another - so no dates for anyone. Does that make sense? Am I a horrible friend? Again, the venue set the limit and there is nothing I can do there. Thank you so much!!
    Posted by TheatreB2B[/QUOTE]

    It was very rude of you to break up social units.  Random +1 for single people are one thing, not inviting someone's husband is another.  I personally wouldn't go to a wedding where DH wasn't invited. 
     
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  • jmp2004jmp2004 member
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    If they are really your friends, they should understand.  I agree with PP that married couples should always be invited together, but a significant other that you dont know, does not require an invite.  It's your wedding, you invite who you want.  And if people are adding an extra guest without permission, you absolutely have the right to call and tell them that there's not room.  It would be one thing if you didn't want to foot the bill, but a restriction at the venue is not arguable, especially when you've made it clear that the invite is not a +1.
  • HobokensFuryHobokensFury member
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    edited May 2012
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_invites-paper_guest-limited-by-venue-friendsorority-sister-1-question?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:cd062f89-8272-496a-b0ab-225e1f87acecDiscussion:6168531d-53f9-499b-b6fe-1863b68b533bPost:b6e77c04-df13-4f23-a637-3f92bdd8a388">Re: Guest # Limited by Venue, Friend/Sorority Sister +1 Question!</a>:
    [QUOTE]There is really no flexability and according to my wedding planner, there is at least a 20% negative RSVP for destination weddings and therefore my mother didn't think it would be an issue. I'm just trying to avoid the arguments between people who are irritated that their new BF can't come but so-and-so's BF can. When I was doing my research my planner said that if "and guest" isn't on the invite, then people would know not to bring one - but people are pulling dates out of their rears at this point. The wedding is in 38 days and the entire thing is paid for so we can't move it. What concerns me is that I have no idea who some of these people are that my friends want to bring. We are young, people are flighty, and<strong> when I took that pole of "would anyone be angry..." everyone said that it is completely understandable that since they all know each other that they would be perfectly content to visit with one another.</strong> That's why this whole "I'm bringing a date" thing took me by surprise when they knew the situation.

    Posted by TheatreB2B[/QUOTE]

    That's because they know proper etiquette and wouldn't tell you that you were being rude to your face.
     
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  • LDubHawksFanLDubHawksFan member
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    It's unfortunate if your FMIL & mom put you over the limit, but if your venue had a maximum number, you should have never counted on a 20% no rate.  We didn't chose our favorite location because it had a 120 max, and although we were thinking a 100 person wedding, our list has now blossomed to 140 and I'm counting my blessings.  If your friends that are adding +1s are truly single (I'm assuming so since you said you don't know who they are bringing), then yes, you don't have to extend that guest invite.  If they have a SO then they should be invited.  Start there and if you are still over, I don't know what you should do.  If your friends adding on really aren't dating anyone, be honest that there is a maximum count and you can't accomodate a date.  Maybe some of these people don't realize that (although it's still wrong of them to write in).  I never would have thought that happens, but after lurking here for a few months, I see it's very common.  Very enlightening!

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  • JoanE2012JoanE2012 member
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_invites-paper_guest-limited-by-venue-friendsorority-sister-1-question?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:cd062f89-8272-496a-b0ab-225e1f87acecDiscussion:6168531d-53f9-499b-b6fe-1863b68b533bPost:63eb0a44-714d-4ed8-bfd7-b0e575575c76">Re: Guest # Limited by Venue, Friend/Sorority Sister +1 Question!</a>:
    [QUOTE]If they are really your friends, they should understand.  I agree with PP that married couples should always be invited together, <strong>but a significant other that you dont know, does not require an invite.</strong>  It's your wedding, you invite who you want.  And if people are adding an extra guest without permission, you absolutely have the right to call and tell them that there's not room.  It would be one thing if you didn't want to foot the bill, but a restriction at the venue is not arguable, especially when you've made it clear that the invite is not a +1.
    Posted by jmp2004[/QUOTE]

    Significant others should absolutely be invited!   I would be pretty ticked off if I was invited but couldn't bring my FI just because we weren't married yet. 
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    [QUOTE]If they are really your friends, they should understand.  I agree with PP that married couples should always be invited together, <strong>but a significant other that you dont know, does not require an invite. </strong> It's your wedding, you invite who you want.  And if people are adding an extra guest without permission, you absolutely have the right to call and tell them that there's not room.  It would be one thing if you didn't want to foot the bill, but a restriction at the venue is not arguable, especially when you've made it clear that the invite is not a +1.
    Posted by jmp2004[/QUOTE]

    <div>This is incorrect.  SO need to be invited whether you know them or not.  I have never even met my friend's boyfriend, who lives in Turkey with her, but I would never tell her she has to travel without him just because I haven't had the opportunity to meet him yet.  In fact, I'm looking at the wedding as a great opportunity to meet him!</div>
  • OP I get where you're going with this. I've been invited to a bunch of sorority sister weddings without a +1 because it's a nice chance to get together for a "girls night out" type of thing. On one hand it was awesome because I didn't have to entertain a bf, as he wouldn't have known anyone. On the other hand, it sucked traveling alone.
    Most of my sisters and FI's fraternity brothers are either single, married, or we know the SO. If we didn't know if a sister or brother was dating someone, we reevaluated if we HAD to have them on the guest list... how close can we really be if we don't know if they're dating someone?
    Sounds like you're already stuck with the decision you made, so make the best of it and hopefully no one's feelings are really hurt afterward.
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  • jmp2004jmp2004 member
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    You can meet SO's another time.  The day is about you, your friends can show off the new bf another time.  If the bf was important enough to the friend, you would have already met him.  How would one of your friends feel if they had been cut from the guest list so another friend's unknown date could go?

    And I have certainly been invited to weddings, local and not and even one where I was the MOH, and my invite didn't have a +1, despite the fact that I was seeing someone.  I would never dream of tacking on my own, uninvited, +1.

    Call me wrong all day, but I firmly believe that it's your party.  You're paying for it.  You don't have to invite and pay for anyone that you don't want to.  If this was a backyard bbq, might be different, but it's your wedding.
  • aragx6aragx6 member
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    If you don't find a way to accommodate these people's SOs you're going to have a lot fewer friends after the wedding.
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  • HobokensFuryHobokensFury member
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_invites-paper_guest-limited-by-venue-friendsorority-sister-1-question?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:cd062f89-8272-496a-b0ab-225e1f87acecDiscussion:6168531d-53f9-499b-b6fe-1863b68b533bPost:a0e562bd-f47a-4d47-8025-3bf85fd7ab2b">Re: Guest # Limited by Venue, Friend/Sorority Sister +1 Question!</a>:
    [QUOTE]<strong>You can meet SO's another time.  The day is about you, your friends can show off the new bf another time.  If the bf was important enough to the friend, you would have already met him. </strong> How would one of your friends feel if they had been cut from the guest list so another friend's unknown date could go? And I have certainly been invited to weddings, local and not and even one where I was the MOH, and my invite didn't have a +1, despite the fact that I was seeing someone.  I would never dream of tacking on my own, uninvited, +1. Call me wrong all day, but I firmly believe that it's your party.  You're paying for it.  You don't have to invite and pay for anyone that you don't want to.  If this was a backyard bbq, might be different, but it's your wedding.
    Posted by jmp2004[/QUOTE]

    Sorry but once again this is horrible advice.
     
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  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_invites-paper_guest-limited-by-venue-friendsorority-sister-1-question?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:cd062f89-8272-496a-b0ab-225e1f87acecDiscussion:6168531d-53f9-499b-b6fe-1863b68b533bPost:a0e562bd-f47a-4d47-8025-3bf85fd7ab2b">Re: Guest # Limited by Venue, Friend/Sorority Sister +1 Question!</a>:
    [QUOTE]You can meet SO's another time.  The day is about you, your friends can show off the new bf another time.  If the bf was important enough to the friend, you would have already met him. <strong> How would one of your friends feel if they had been cut from the guest list so another friend's unknown date could go?</strong> And I have certainly been invited to weddings, local and not and even one where I was the MOH, and my invite didn't have a +1, despite the fact that I was seeing someone.  I would never dream of tacking on my own, uninvited, +1. Call me wrong all day, but I firmly believe that it's your party.  You're paying for it.  You don't have to invite and pay for anyone that you don't want to.  If this was a backyard bbq, might be different, but it's your wedding.
    Posted by jmp2004[/QUOTE]

    This is why you are supposed to plan out your guest list ahead of time and book a venue that can hold the apprpriate number of people. 
  • banana468banana468 member
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_invites-paper_guest-limited-by-venue-friendsorority-sister-1-question?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:cd062f89-8272-496a-b0ab-225e1f87acecDiscussion:6168531d-53f9-499b-b6fe-1863b68b533bPost:a0e562bd-f47a-4d47-8025-3bf85fd7ab2b">Re: Guest # Limited by Venue, Friend/Sorority Sister +1 Question!</a>:
    [QUOTE]You can meet SO's another time.  The day is about you, your friends can show off the new bf another time.  If the bf was important enough to the friend, you would have already met him.  How would one of your friends feel if they had been cut from the guest list so another friend's unknown date could go? And I have certainly been invited to weddings, local and not and even one where I was the MOH, and my invite didn't have a +1, despite the fact that I was seeing someone.  I would never dream of tacking on my own, uninvited, +1. Call me wrong all day, but I firmly believe that it's your party.  You're paying for it.  You don't have to invite and pay for anyone that you don't want to.  If this was a backyard bbq, might be different, but it's your wedding.
    Posted by jmp2004[/QUOTE]

    You're wrong.  Totally wrong.

    Sure you don't HAVE to invite anyone.  However the rules of etiquette exist and the OP would be breaking them if she followed your advice.  There are tons of things that one can do that are in poor taste.  This is one of them.
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