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Mayernick Ctr vs. Great Hall? (Newly-engaged and nervous bride-on-a-budget;)

Hi all...
  This is my first post here (very exciting, I know ;).  My name's Bethany -- I'm a social worker & lifelong Pittsburgher.  My fiance, Oliver, and I got engaged last month. 
   I'm hoping for opinions here.  We initially were aiming for an Oct 2012 date.  Our budget is ~$10k (maybe stretching up to about 12k) for ~150 guests. Oliver & I will be calling in some awesome favors -- our DJ is going to be a friend of ours doing it as a gift to us, and our photographer will be a close friend of my fiance's doing it for cost. There's also a number of crafters in my family, thus reducing our costs for some of the decor and invites/thank yous. The expenses I'm most nervous about being able to stay within budget on are alcohol (we're already only planning to do beer/wine/champagne, but still, people gotta drink, so we'll get as much as we need...which may end up being a lot;), flowers (because having a particularly pretty/unique reception is very important to me), cake (trying not to think too hard about that at this point;) and the dress (can't think of that at ALL yet... ;D)
   When all is said and done, it leaves us about $2000 for a venue where we'd ideally have both ceremony and reception (including rentals), and then about $4000 for food (i.e. a combined $6000 if there's no charge for the venue on top of food).  My parents are willing to supplement a bit as long as it's not *crazy* more expensive. We looked at the Union Project, and while I love the idea of it, I had a LOT of trouble getting past the sloped floor in the ballroom.
  We contacted the Mayernick Center, and will be looking at it Saturday -- they are holding it for a Friday evening in June for us.  I fell in love with it from the pics and have gotten excited about the idea of a June wedding (and the reduced expense of a Friday evening wedding, which will work fine for us... they of course had only dead-of-winter Saturdays left in 2012 by the time we called).  I'm nervous about a few of the extra fees, though -- mainly the $3.25/person for drinks (even before alcohol) and having to use their bartender (+$125), which with our BYO costs takes our drinks budget to about 2x where I'd like it to be... which takes us to the next part of this---
  In the meantime, my mom learned about the Great Hall in West View, and we are going to look at it tomorrow.  If I'm doing my math right, it looks like it will be cheaper overall, including the alcohol price being a LOT less.  It definitely looks nice, and if I hadn't already discovered the Mayernick, I think from the photos at least I'd be pretty excited about it. I'm really fearing though falling in love with the Mayernick based on looks but not being able to pass up the Great Hall based on price - they also have Saturday October dates (our original plan) available (which I know my fiance will still prefer), but I've kind of gotten excited about something sooner and in June.  I'm just much more a 'rustic' girl than a 'gothic architecture' girl. (I should also say -- while I know there's a 'do what you love, even if it's a little more $!!' sentiment that works for some brides -- for various reasons, we REALLY can't go over this max $12k budget.) 
   Lastly, I also hear that the dance floor at the Great Hall is a strange set up, and my biggest fear about the wedding (besides, you know, a freak tornado) is that it WON'T be one of those weddings where everyone sticks around after dinner and has fun and dances into the evening!!  I've been to a few of those and they've made me sad.

So, I figure I could wait and see how my walk throughs at each place go... or I could stress out a little here, and hope someone has good basis for comparing the two and can help me address my fears here ;)  I will be about 95% happier when we just have a date, seriously...I'm a big picture girl, not a details girl, and want to get onto funner things like flowers and my dress  Any thoughts???

Re: Mayernick Ctr vs. Great Hall? (Newly-engaged and nervous bride-on-a-budget;)

  • LilyWater09LilyWater09 member
    100 Comments
    edited December 2011
    Good luck with the walk throughs.  I never visited those places but I did look at their photos online and really liked the Mayernick Center.  I actually booked the first place I visited before I left the door! 

    This is a fun time for you so enjoy it!  After reading so many articles, I made a list of what was important to me for my wedding.  Armed with that list, I was able to choose my vendors happily.  I have had to make compromises here and there but never on what I hold near and dear.  That being said, if you are a "rustic" girl, have you considered some of the barn-wedding options available? 
  • cgyvhucgyvhu member
    Knottie Warrior 1000 Comments Combo Breaker
    edited December 2011
    Congrats on your engagement and welcome to the board!

    I haven't been to either venue, but I've heard great things about mayernik.  I hope walk-throughs go well for you and that you find something in-budget.  The Zoo's garden tent may be close to your price range for a Friday wedding, and you can definitely give that a rustic feel.  The Zoo is also byob, so you'll save $$ on the alcohol.

    $6000/150 is $40/plate, so that could be tough to manage... you could also consider trimming back the guest list a bit.  And if you post what you are budgeting for all the other things, we might be able to help you trim back on other vendors (flowers, etc) so that you can devote more to your venue.
  • MRadsMRads member
    Fifth Anniversary 1000 Comments
    edited December 2011
    I loved the look of the Mayernick Center, but I probably was looking too late, because they never got back to me.  I was on a similar budget and here are the options I came up with.

    1. Chadwick for brunch - the Chadwick is a banquet hall up in the Cranberry area.  It is about half the cost for the afternoon as it is for the evening, so it was I think $34-$35/pp including the linens, cake, centerpieces, meal and alcohol.  They have an outdoor patio where you could have your ceremony.

    2. Edgewood Club - this is where we choose.  We're having two entree/three side dish meal plus apps for $28pp.  The rental fee for the hall is $1500 and you can byob.  They only do one event/weekend, so the price doesn't change if it is a Friday or Saturday.  They do ceremonies there as well.

    3. St. NIcholas - in Oakland.  I didn't look at it, but I believe the price is right around $40pp all inclusive.  I went to a reception there and it was really nice.  I don't know about the ceremony.

    4. Another girl on the board has mentioned Pittsburgh Opera quite a bit.  You can choose your caterer, so that gives you a lot of options to keep your prices down.

    I guess what I'm trying to say is that the Mayernick Center is beautiful (don't know much about Great Hall), and I would def look at it, but if you feel like it is too expensive, there are other options.  Good luck and have fun!
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  • Tara5384Tara5384 member
    Second Anniversary 10 Comments
    edited December 2011
    Also, if you like the Mayernick Center, you might like Bell's Banquets in Mount Pleasant.  They have no rental fee and their prices include alcohol, tax, and gratuity.  The packages are between $45-50/person, which would definitely fit your budget.  I seriously considered booking it, but we had too many guests.  They comfortably hold 150 though.  

  • ekuch03ekuch03 member
    First Comment
    edited December 2011
    I have around the same budget and I figured out that I could afford it at the Mayernik but my soon to be mother in law is also a florist and doing flowers for free.  I loved the place but they dont have any Fall Saturdays available and I am not sold on having it on a Friday.I have never look at the Great Hall though!
  • bamclaughlbamclaughl member
    10 Comments
    edited December 2011
    Ended up seeing the Great Hall tonight -- was not at all impressed.  It was pretty, but seems a bit like a reception farm.  And I understand that that's how a lot of places (including the Mayernick -- considering that they are booked solid in 2012!) then you at least want them to be personable, considerate, and provide some amount of individualized service, which the Mayernick appears to get glowing reviews for.

    My beefs with the Great Hall --

    We got there a bit early (he just opens it up from 8-9pm on Weds for prospective brides to look at), so it was understandable that he was a bit distracted opening the place up.  But, overall he really had this 'you need us more than we need you' attitude that really put me off.  They have it set up with like a 'fake' reception so you can see how it would look, and it was PACKED with tables.  When we asked how many they were set for, he just said 'I have no idea.'  So we ended up trying to count the tables but that was futile since there was a different number of chairs at each table... but he basically showed no interest in trying to help us figure it out.  Then, when we told him I'm expecting about 150 guests (about 170 invited), he beat around the bush asking me questions (how many out-of-towners?  have you considered a Friday evening wedding?) before basically telling us that they try to only let people with about 180 guests have Saturdays in the fall.  Now, not coincidentally, my dad reached the guess that there were about 175 chairs set up at the tables -- and again, it was PACKED.  So I'd understand if I'd come in and said I was only having 80 people or something, he'd say that there was a minimum number of guests for Saturdays-- but to quibble over 30 guests when clearly your facility more comfortably holds something around 150 than 180 seemed kind of tacky to me.  All of this still could've been something we overlooked (some other places we've encountered basically charge you a 'ghost fee' as I've been thinking of it for every person UNDER a minimum you have -- e.g. if their minimum is 150 people and you have 140, you'd have to pay them $20 for those 10 people that AREN'T there... maybe we could've offered some arrangement like that to him) BUT for the fact that we'd really like to have a place with a ceremony and reception... when we asked him about this, he said that when they have ceremonies there, they basically make an aisle in between the tables and have everyone already seated where they will be for dinner... I don't have any problem with that except that it's just not my style -- I really want the ceremony to have the traditional 'rows of seats' set -up and not mess with that.  When my mom asked him about the possibility of other configurations, he got weirdly defensive about it and was basically like, 'you know, were' really just a reception hall here, but some people want to do the ceremonies, too, and that's the only way we can do it.' 

    Anyway, I'm new to this board so definitely don't want to ruffle feathers for those that have used it/are using it and liked it -- it just happened that some of the key points that are important to us we're not able to arrange there, and the guy just rubbed us the wrong way.

    We're going to look at the Mayernick Center Saturday and a placed called the Riverside... something? in Oakmont on Friday.  Honestly, I'd really just love to return to my original wish...finding a unique space (i.e. not one typically used for weddings) for a small base fee with absolutely NO extra fees attached to it -- you can basically do whatever you want after you pay that, and just making it really ours that day and throwing a huge, cool party for our friends and family. (That's what I'd hoped for with the Union Project -- but when that didn't pan out, it's kind of been a slippery slope from there to looking into these places that hold weddings all the time and have all these particular arrangements and all these 'extra' -- but not really extra cause you have to pay them! -- fees).   A family friend who is an event planner, and whom we are considering hiring for the flowers/decor, recommended the Rose Barn in North Park -- we LOVE that idea, it's exactly our style, except that it's too small for 150 people, particularly if it rained.  But it's pretty much the exact feel and set up I am looking for.  ($250 fee for 8am-midnight on your day -- and you can do absolutely anything you want with it -- any caterer, any alcohol, any decor, whatEVER - and that would also free up so much money for us, too, for amazing decor/flowers to really transform the space) in that time... but yeah, too small unfortunately...so back to the drawing board ;D
  • cgyvhucgyvhu member
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    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/local-wedding-boards_pennsylvania-pittsburgh_mayernick-ctr-vs-great-hall-newly-engaged-nervous-bride-budget?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Local%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:116Discussion:fb5a4d97-e04c-4208-bdfd-92767447a725Post:ecc55cfe-7b69-4ef5-9bc3-e02e61964f76">Re: Mayernick Ctr vs. Great Hall? (Newly-engaged and nervous bride-on-a-budget;)</a>:
    [QUOTE]Honestly, I'd really just love to return to my original wish...finding a unique space (i.e. not one typically used for weddings) for a small base fee with absolutely NO extra fees attached to it -- you can basically do whatever you want after you pay that, and just making it really ours that day and throwing a huge, cool party for our friends and family.
    Posted by bamclaughl[/QUOTE]

    bamc - reviews are always welcome, and help other brides get a good idea of which venues are worth their time, so thanks!

    Riverside Landing on Oakmont is recommended by people around here too, but I dont know any current knotties that are using it.  Based on what you said above, I'd say check out the Pittsburgh Opera in the Strip and New Hazlett Theater.  Don't know about pricing for either, but they are definitely customizable places.
  • LetsHikeTodayLetsHikeToday member
    2500 Comments Combo Breaker
    edited December 2011
    The zoo garden tent would be $65 per person (that includes the 1000 rental). If you had it Friday or Sunday it would be $60.

    We used the aquarium and I have nothing but great things to say about the zoo.

    You could always look at the Hazlett Theater like PP suggested.
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  • pantherRNpantherRN member
    1000 Comments
    edited December 2011
    I was at a wedding at the Great Hall in May. Not my favorite venue. It was crowded and the set up was strange. I would have not chosen it for myself.

    But (and this is a huge but), the food was fan-flucking-tastic. I had beer basted prime rib that was some of the best I've ever eaten.

    I don't know if you're interested in the South Hills, but our venue is very budget friendly. It's Holy Cross Banquet Hall in Mt. Lebanon. It's BYOB, rental fee is $600 and we're paying less than $35 pp for food.
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  • MRadsMRads member
    Fifth Anniversary 1000 Comments
    edited December 2011

    I like googling for pictures at my venue, and while I was doing that, I came across one couple that had their ceremony at the Waldorf School Auditorium.  Its in Edgewood/Regent Square and it looks like you would have a lot of freedom:
    http://waldorfpittsburgh.org/rental/

    Heartwood Acres might be an option for you too, although things get pricey with all of the rentals.

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  • bamclaughlbamclaughl member
    10 Comments
    edited December 2011
    Thanks, you guys are all awesome!!  I'm picking the brains of some of my cooler friends who do way more happening stuff than I do for ideas for space ideas.  This coordinator I mentioned also does lots of off-beat kind of events, so I'm planning to touch base with him again. 

    I'm going to explore the idea of using the Rose Barn more -- he's really into it and so am I and I'm having a few people familiar with it telling me it can hold more than I'd think.  The one weird thing about it is that, to rent a county park building, you need to show up in person one-year-to-the-day ahead of time.  I called there yesterday, and the woman took great delight in telling me how incredibly popular the Rose Barn is and that people 'sometimes show up at midnight!!' (but then later said 6am) the year-to-the-date before day to rent it.  (That is nuts to me, and while I'm flexible about which Saturday in Sept or Oct we'd use -- I'm not sure how many weeks this year I could show up there on a Thursday at 6AM to try to rent it for a Saturday next year and not like, lose my job or have my fiance call off the marriage because he thinks I'm insane for camping out for a venue).  So the woman scared me when it came to the likelihood of getting it for when we want.  They DO have a June Friday evening open at this point, and there's two free date transfers... so theoretically, we could rent it for then JUST in case, and then try to camp out once or twice for a September or October Saturday (we could only do a Friday eve in summer b/c of the out-of-town teachers in our family who really can't get days off during the school year to come down for a Friday eve wedding).  The risk of a Friday evening in June though is that we are WAY too Irish to deal well with a 90 degree June day and be in an un-air conditioned barn (we are NOT heat people)... I'd feel much better about an October Saturday there and the likelihood of cooler weather. 

    Anyway, you've given me some awesome ideas to work with!!  I'm also excited to see here that there's other brides trying to kind of buck the trends... I'd been nervous about even posting about trying to do something different because I know so many people might not get the point of it.  I totally, TOTALLY get why someone would want to use a more all-inclusive place (or just elope, for that matter) -- if I end up loving the feel of the Mayernick Center or Riverside Landing, I'm definitely not ruling out using them.  But 1) my budget is just not big enough to make that the smartest route for me, and 2) luckily, having lived in this area all my life, I'm generally pretty resourceful and want to tap into as many offbeat possibilities as I can before using somewhere all inclusive that's just not personalize-able for us.
    We have the time and people willing to help and energy to make this our own.

    That being said -- my mom did call the Hazlett theater -- I may be WAY off about this, but in the message the guy sent to me, I got the impression that there was some strange (and VERY expensive) alchohol arrangement.  Re: vendor reviews -- md -- thanks for letting me know that it's ok to say not-so-nice things.  If I were a bride already committed to using a space and saw something negative about it, I'd be sad, so I feel bad saying not-'Great' things about our experience at the Great Hall.  But it makes me *more* sad when popular vendors don't feel a need to be anything more than curt with you because they know that if you don't use their space, another bride always will (we brides need to rise up against this mentality!! ;)  but seriously, there's just no excuse for that rudeness).  I've dealt with some SUPER nice people so far in this -- Carol at the Union Project I LOVED, Remo's Catering (I called to ask them a few questions in case we use the Mayernick) was awesome, Coca Catering was great, and the women at the Mayernick were also pretty nice ... I want to make a point of giving them good marks in my dealings with them til now!
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