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Family issues please help! :)

My significant other has been hinting about taking the next step in our relationship and getting engaged. We have been together roughly two years going on three and we love each other dearly. Unfortunately, there is a nagging issue that looms over us. His family. 

In my two years of dating him I have constantly been disrespected, shunned, and unwelcome by his family, sans his father and one sister. His mother has refused to have dinner with me on multiple occasions, two of his sisters have called me ugly names, said nasty untrue things about me to his mother and other relatives, and constantly cause drama. One of his aunts always throws me dirty looks and won't acknowledge my presence. At first, I tried to be the bigger person and still try and salvage and relationship possible with them for the sake of my significant other. However, it has gotten to the point where I've completely shut down and I don't want anything to do with his family at all. 

And when I say I gave shut the door on any possible reconciliation between his family and I it is because I truly feel I have good reason. For example:
I let it go when his sister was online on multiple ocassions calling me everything but a child of god
I let it go when his mother refuses to have any sort of 1 on 1 contact with me
In essence I could go on and on but I have truly let A LOT of things go but what I couldnt let go is when my apartment lost power in a storm this past summer and I had no running water or air in weather that was reaching into the 100s and with no where to go since everything happened all of a sudden and last min. his family REFUSED to give me shelter in my time of need even though they had full power, a/c, and had others whom they had invited to take refuge. Needless to say at that moment I was too through. 

On the flip, my familily has never treated my significant other ill. Even with all of the issues or however they may feel about him they have always treated him with respect,accepted him into my childhood home, and family circle when he was in need or even if he wasnt. 

I have spoken to my significant other about it and initially he was in the same boat of not having them attend our wedding if we got married(since they wouldnt have the money to fly from DC to Houston anyway to attend) and he was understanding of why I didnt want anything to do with them but lately in discussions it seems he wants me to give his family another chance (mind you I've honestly lost count on how many chances I've given these people) and try and have a relationship with them or at least be cordial with them but after everything that has happened but I honestly dont feel that I could do it because a person can only take so much and after all I have been through in dealing with these people I feel I have reached the point of no return. Respect is important to me and these people have never respected me or treated me with respect so I chose to cut my ties with them but I have never asked my significant other or tried to influence him to cut his relationship off with them. If anything I've still tried to be there and help him whenever his relationship with them turned hectic. I've let him know my feelings and he respects them but I can tell he feels torn but I honestly dont know what to do about it. 

My other issue is if we are to get married my mother has said she would pay for it but I could never see myself asking my mother to pay for such people to come to my wedding. I do not want to invite them for a couple of reasons. 1. I dont want to have to deal with any drama during my wedding planning or wedding day and 2. I dont like them and they dont like me so I dunno how comfortable I would be having them around through the wedding process or actual day. I'm at the point where the idea of an upcoming engagement would be both a happy and nerve racking event.  Any suggestions?

Positie feedback is always appreciated. 

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  • This is hard. Because no matter what this is your boyfriends family.. the situation has to b worked out on some level.... Idk if when the time comes that you are engaged this will make them change their mind or make the situation worse... Weddings are expensive and if your mother wants to help... I don't see a problem with that.unless there is some reason why you don't want her help. And when he doss ask you, if he is saying to you now that he wants his family at the wedding... that may not change and there is going to have to be some sort of compromise since its a wedding for both of you... Giving advice isn't easy without knowing EVERYTHING... but... its different when its girlfriend advice as compared to fiance advice.. IMO.....keep us updated
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    [QUOTE]This is hard. Because no matter what this is your boyfriends family.. the situation has to b worked out on some level.... Idk if when the time comes that you are engaged this will make them change their mind or make the situation worse... Weddings are expensive and if your mother wants to help... I don't see a problem with that.unless there is some reason why you don't want her help. And when he doss ask you, if he is saying to you now that he wants his family at the wedding... that may not change and there is going to have to be some sort of compromise since its a wedding for both of you... Giving advice isn't easy without knowing EVERYTHING... but... its different when its girlfriend advice as compared to fiance advice.. IMO.....keep us updated
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    </div><div>From my understanding and i know this is wrong to know but he has been in talks with my bestfriend to propose to me this month (December) and while initally I was excited this family stuff has me not all the way eleted. As December appraoched and after the thanksgiving holiday we discussed this. He spent thanksgiving with my family in Houston and then after it was all over we were talking about how much he enjoyed it and he slid in the statement "one day i wish you could spend the holiday with my family". I threw him the side eye because 1. his family are jehovah witnesses and they dont celebrate holidays or birthdays 2. after the power outage incident he knows there is no way in hell I could sit up in his familys face and pretend like everything is peahces and cream so that lead to a deeper discussion of him just tryna convince me to give them a 2nd chance and while my heart says do it for him my mind and my feelings are like girl you better keep that door closed shut tight unless you wanna deal with more drama and disrespect. </div><div>
    </div><div>I honestly feel that this is my only option because since his family obviously doesnt respect him they are nt going to respect me so its like what choice do I have? He cant keep the lid on them or get them to shape up and fly right so my best bet is to do what i need to do to remain classy and not end up in jail. lol I dunno it really is a sticky situation. I just thought maybe getting some advice before I become a fiance' would help soothe some of the rough feelings. </div><div>
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    Advice is always good...u may hear something you never thought about... Listening to you talk... you sound like you have made up your mind on how you feel and how you want to handle them. From past experience... you have to find a happy medium or this will come between you and your spouse... You have a date set on your profile... is that your date?
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    [QUOTE]Advice is always good...u may hear something you never thought about... Listening to you talk... you sound like you have made up your mind on how you feel and how you want to handle them. From past experience... you have to find a happy medium or this will come between you and your spouse... You have a date set on your profile... is that your date?
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    </div><div>No actual date set yet. We just know we want a summer wedding within the next 2 or 3 years. 

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  • Have they ever said what the problem was? Did something happen?
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  • You have to find a medium They will always be his family and when you have kids they will sense the tension Do you know why they do not care for you? What is your bf take on the situation?
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    [QUOTE]Have they ever said what the problem was? Did something happen?
    Posted by nursing2u[/QUOTE]<div>
    </div><div><span style="font-family:tahoma, geneva, arial, sans-serif;color:#000000;font-size:12px;line-height:16px;" class="Apple-style-span">there is no legitimate problem with me its more internal issues with them. 1. they are jehovah witnesses and he is not so they've been trying to get him to convert to their faith and since I am not of their faith they see it as a threat to their agenda. 2. when we've gotten into arguments or had issues over the phone there have been times where he has been with them and so they take it that all we do is argue and i'm mean blah blah but they have never gotten to know me or know anything about me aside from either social networking or personal inferences. Those are the only 2 real issues. I've always been there for him, i'm self sufficient, I come from a good family and background, I will admit I have a short fuse but its never gotten physical between us or anything so its really on them. </span></div><div><span style="font-family:tahoma, geneva, arial, sans-serif;color:#000000;font-size:12px;line-height:16px;" class="Apple-style-span">
    </span></div><div><span style="font-family:tahoma, geneva, arial, sans-serif;color:#000000;font-size:12px;line-height:16px;" class="Apple-style-span">I never wanna be "that girl" who says they are jsut hating but the facts speak for themselves. I'm currently in law school applying to get my masters in mass communications. I graduated from undergrad at Howard Univ. I have no kids. On the other hand all 8 or 9 of his family memebrs all live together in a 4 bedroom house that was passed down to them after his grandfather passed. one of his sisters is a teen mom with no undergrad degree and his other sister just graduated from high school a few days ago after not passing to graduate in may. As a whole they really dont have much going on for them, not to down them or anything. It just seems they are unhappy and are trying to push their unhappiness on us since neither one of us has ever interveined or worry about what is going on in their respective relationships or situations.   </span></div><div><font face="tahoma, geneva, arial, sans-serif" class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><span style="font-size:12px;line-height:16px;" class="Apple-style-span">
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  • I would suggest that you try to resolve this major issue before marriage,even before you get engaged.  Your boyfriend needs to step up a bit and be a little more active in rectifying this situation.  It will only get worse if your relationship progresses and you definitely don't want to enter your marriage with this baggage.  It's a difficult situation for you boyfriend, but he should try to bring all parties to a happy medium where you at least respect each other.
  • Ok I am in awe of everything that you have in endured from his family. Once I got to the end and I saw that they are JW's I began to understand why they are the way they are with you (well that was a tongue twister) but anyways...From talking to another lady on here who grew up JW and then left had the same issue with her own family.....she invited them to her wedding and they did not come. Apparently JW's have issue with people who are not of their beliefs. Have you sat down and talked to your boyfriend and honestly got his feelings 100% ? What was it that made him change his mind about not having his family at the wedding? What is his relationship like with his family outside of you? Has he tried talking to his family and let them know that he is not going to be stuck between foolishness and the relationship he has with you? I can understand your trepidation on giving them another chance, but like previous post (pp) have said you have to rectify this matter well before you all get married because it is only going to fester and get worse. You all may not have to like each other but you all could at least be cordial to one another. I hope that things some kind of way work out for you. 

    I live in BR too!!
  • honey honey honey....allow him their presence at one of the biggest says of his life only BECUZ that's his fam....his blood....YOU NEVER have to speak with or include them in a got damn thang...and believe you me...you will have too many ppl and too much fun at your wedding and reception to pay them any mind...kill them with kindness if u must but have yo goons ready if any of them bitches wanna get buck and try to ruin YOUR and FI day....lbvvvs
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    [QUOTE]Ok I am in awe of everything that you have in endured from his family. Once I got to the end and I saw that they are JW's I began to understand why they are the way they are with you (well that was a tongue twister) but anyways...From talking to another lady on here who grew up JW and then left had the same issue with her own family.....she invited them to her wedding and they did not come. Apparently JW's have issue with people who are not of their beliefs. Have you sat down and talked to your boyfriend and honestly got his feelings 100% ? What was it that made him change his mind about not having his family at the wedding? What is his relationship like with his family outside of you? Has he tried talking to his family and let them know that he is not going to be stuck between foolishness and the relationship he has with you? I can understand your trepidation on giving them another chance, but like previous post (pp) have said you have to rectify this matter well before you all get married because it is only going to fester and get worse. You all may not have to like each other but you all could at least be cordial to one another. I hope that things some kind of way work out for you.  I live in BR too!!
    Posted by CaseynMike[/QUOTE]<div>
    </div><div>I've talked to him on mu.tiple occasions. We've had many sit down discussions anout all of this. One min he feels one way the next min he feels another. He is fully aware that I want nothing to do with his family. Even hearing about the things that they are doing is annoying to me. What changed his mind about me giving them another chance was the fact that he now feels they are sorry and dont view me in a negative light after I helped his uncle in a situation that could have lead to them loosing their house and put him in jail. He feels like they had thos great big eye opening experience cause he ran back and told him how I helped in the situation. Needless to say I'm not buying it. And he uses the fatc that his sister sent me a FB message of all things to "apologize". It read :</div><div>
    </div><div> "<span style="color:#333333;font-family:'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:17px;" class="Apple-style-span">Hey im not one for chatting over social networks but i had some things i wanted to say. Before I even knew your name, I had passed judgement on you. I thought you weren't good to my brother and that you were bringing him so much strife. Then it had gotten to the point where you virtually disrepected my entire family and the types of status you posted on your social networks just didnt seem to help your case. But yesterday, my brother said something that he doesnt even know struck me. He told about how you were by his side the entire weekend with our family drama, and that really made me realize that you arent half bad, and that you may not be the person i thought you were..that I had only heard 1 side of the story and that there are things i just dont know and may never understand, and that i am too old for high school drama. i say all of this to apologize for passing judgement and making assumptions. i hope you enjoy your new life in grad school."</span></div><div><span style="color:#333333;font-family:'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:17px;" class="Apple-style-span">
    </span></div><div><span style="color:#333333;font-family:'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:17px;" class="Apple-style-span">Call me old school but 1. chic had my number and could have easily given me a call to express her apologies. 2. I didnt feel it was genuine since her "apology" was STILL not based on what the real issue which was the disrespect  3. this apology took place the day I left DC to move to BR -____- talk about convenient even though that situation took place weeks prior. I could go on but I'm sure you get my drift.</span></div><div><span style="color:#333333;font-family:'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:17px;" class="Apple-style-span">
    </span></div><div><span style="color:#333333;font-family:'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:17px;" class="Apple-style-span">His relationship with them, according to him, is mildly strained. Because he is not of the same belief system he feels they look down on him and treat him funny at times. He says he never truly feels like he is apart of his family cause he has always done his own thing and realizes thta because of what they believe and him not believing in that there will always be a separation there. He loves them but he feels he cant relate to them outside of them being related.</span></div><div><span style="color:#333333;font-family:'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:17px;" class="Apple-style-span">
    </span></div><div><span style="color:#333333;font-family:'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:17px;" class="Apple-style-span">Also according to him he has talked to them but my SO is extremely passive. He doesnt like to hurt feelings or step on toes he likes to keep things as PC as possible. So I dunno if the conversation took the stern or fluffy route. </span></div><div><span style="color:#333333;font-family:'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:17px;" class="Apple-style-span">
    </span></div><div><span style="color:#333333;font-family:'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:17px;" class="Apple-style-span">ITs really all just a big mess and really has me no excited to get engeged or anything because I feel this issue looming over my head. LE sigh</span></div>
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    [QUOTE]kill them with kindness if u must but have yo goons ready if any of them bitches wanna get buck and try to ruin YOUR and FI day....lbvvvs
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  • at the end of the day they are still his family
    you both need to find a way to make peace with them if you want to have a life and family together 

    i understand both sides more than you know.... my father's family did not think my mothers family was good enough for him... DRAMA which i got a taste of when i was in high school... more so in college..... *i come from boogee black folks, yes i be boogee mah self* 

    i am not saying that you should accept what ever crap they dish out but there has to be some kind of happy middle that all parties can live with 

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  • first of all shej, welcome to the boards.

    from your original post it sounded (to me anyway) like you were leaving out a chunk of the story - and then it was confirmed by what his sister alludes to in her note to you - there WAS a point at which the tide turned for them, you just haven't acknowledged (here anyway) what it was.   that's not an encouragement to disclose your business i'm just saying, whether you agree or not, she's telling you *something* happened.

    You said you wanted to be the bigger person.  In which case:  accept her apology (no quotes) regardless of form, acknowledge your role in the chaos and understand that this might not be your battle to have.  if you do become engaged, it's your job to stay open to the possibility of a better relationship with them.  once you accept the proposal, however, speaking up on your behalf? is his job. 

    p.s. sidebar about the sister's note:  I wouldn't make anything negative of the fact that it came in writing.  You can review a note at your leisure, without inserting *tone* and it eliminates the potential for a back and forth argument.    I can hear that you're upset but I also wouldn't use social media to get in subtle digs or comparisons to his family.   <--- bigger people don't talk passive agressively on facebook.

    finally the questions I would ask myself aren't so much about his family, they're about the two of you.  Am I willing to take the risk that he won't fight for me if I say no to his proposal because I'm not willing to gamble that this doesn't change?   If I do marry him and this aspect of our lives doesn't change, is his refusal to get involved something I could live with?  Their respect is the least of your worries, do  you have his?

    I'll be pulling for you girl, this is a difficult situation.  One last thing before you tell me to get gone is:  if there's a wedding, you kind of have to invite his immediate family, excluding them intentionally will deepen the rift.  Besides from what you've already said, if they can't afford to come, they won't.  problem solved.   

    good luck.
  • Very well said ms. sultry. That's that old school knowledge.. lol..jk
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    [QUOTE]first of all shej, welcome to the boards. from your original post it sounded (to me anyway) like you were leaving out a chunk of the story - and then it was confirmed by what his sister alludes to in her note to you - there WAS a point at which the tide turned for them, you just haven't acknowledged (here anyway) what it was.   that's not an encouragement to disclose your business i'm just saying, whether you agree or not, she's telling you *something* happened. You said you wanted to be the bigger person.  In which case:  accept her apology (no quotes) regardless of form, acknowledge your role in the chaos and understand that this might not be your battle to have.  if you do become engaged, it's your job to stay open to the possibility of a better relationship with them.  once you accept the proposal, however, speaking up on your behalf? is his job.  p.s. sidebar about the sister's note:  I wouldn't make anything negative of the fact that it came in writing.  You can review a note at your leisure, without inserting *tone* and it eliminates the potential for a back and forth argument.    I can hear that you're upset but I also wouldn't use social media to get in subtle digs or comparisons to his family.   <--- bigger people don't talk passive agressively on facebook. finally the questions I would ask myself aren't so much about his family, they're about the two of you.  Am I willing to take the risk that he won't fight for me if I say no to his proposal because I'm not willing to gamble that this doesn't change?   If I do marry him and this aspect of our lives doesn't change, is his refusal to get involved something I could live with?  Their respect is the least of your worries, do  you have his ? I'll be pulling for you girl, this is a difficult situation.  One last thing before you tell me to get gone is:  if there's a wedding, you kind of have to invite his immediate family, excluding them intentionally will deepen the rift.  Besides from what you've already said, if they can't afford to come, they won't.  problem solved.    good luck.
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    <div>I'm partially confused about what you are talking about fully. lol I'm sorry but let me see if I can address some of the things I did pick up on. In regards to his sister I dunno if you read the same thing I did but she explicitly states she prejudged me and such without even knowing anything about me past my name. Her "turning point" took place after my SO dropped some knowledge about a situation in which I not only helped him out but his famaily out as well. Oh, and after the fact that he moved out and we started living together and he stopped talking to them. I had an issue with her message because 1. I dont judge people especially without getting the chance to know them 2. our business is none of their business so I didnt feel it was genuine because she didnt get it. What me and my SO is none of her business. If I have to accept and not judge her as his family she should accept and not judge me as the woman he is planning on spending the rest of his life with. In a nutshell I didnt care if they liked me but that is no reason not to respect me. Mind you this is the same person who was in on stealing my engagement ring over the summer so that my SO could not propose before I left for law school. So honestly the best thing I could do as the bigger person in the situation is exactly what I did, not reply. I just made a conscious note that I'm not interested in dealing with them at all and again for their safety and my sanity I let them make it out of my presence. </div><div>And as a grown person I handle mine either face to face or over the phone I try my best to refrain from social networking beef especially when I  know where to find you and you got so much to say behind my back and other places I prefer being a woman and see me face to face dont hide behind a keyboard thats really lame in my opinion but that's just me. Not everyone has that amount of courage and respect unfortunately. I really could have went in on her and told her about how I feel she is a bad mother and her existance amongst other things is basic but that would only be stooping to her level and I'm honestly too classy for that. The difference between me and them. I'm just saying.... Oh, and the "digs" that I did take to her, his other sister, and possibly his mother was nothing rash it was in retaliation to some things that were said and untrue things that were put out about me and while I do admit it was a low and rare moment for me it wasnt unwarrented. A lady can only take so much at the end of the day. </div><div>In relation to you feeling like I'm leaving things out and such I mean come on unless you were there you will never know the entire situation I'm giving you my side take it or leave your suggestions if you have something positive and contrustive to say. </div><div>I appreciate your feedback but I guess we have conflicting views of it all. </div>
  • In other news UPDATE! 
    Had a conversation with my SO about my feelings and I was very explicit with how I felt and I wanted explicit clarity on how he felt about the whole family situation. After an extensive conversation we realized that we were not on the same page. He explained to me that he doesn't want me to have a relationship with his family because he barely has one with them. He told me that he feels like an outsider in his family anyway and feels that whether it was woth me or someone else his family would always be an issue because they have two totally different belief systems. He strictly feels that while he loves his family his relatinship with them is superficial. They talk about daily activities and say hi but other than that his friends are liek he family and it would mean more to have them at our wedding than his family because one he knows they dont support our relationship and doesnt see why they should be there. He was only trying to make things work between us because he thought that is what I wanted. 

    It was crazy because I explained to him the only reason I was trying and stressing about getting along with them was because I thought that is what he wanted. It was really important to me for him to have a close relationship with my family which he does but it wasnt that important to him which I failed to explictly realize. From the conversations we had I thought he felt in the middle and wished things were different with me and his family but he told me honestly he is glad I am done with them so that we can focus on us. He told me is focus is on us and not on them because he already knows that any interaction with them is pointless. He explained to me that he was annoyed by the situation because he really thought he was telling me that he didnt want me and us to have anything to do with them but thought because that was what I wanted he would do whatever to make it happen. The situation with them turning me away in my time of need really angered him and after that it was the nail in the coffin for them in regards to them and us. Needless to say we both had a epiphany about it and i breathed a sigh of relief that my SO supports my decision to not want to have anything to do with them, is on the same page as me and his focus is on us and not them. I'm truly all :) right now 
  • I'm glad that you two talked and worked it all out
  • as long as you guys are happy..that is all that matters
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