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Advice Needed (very, very long).

Hey Girls-
I need your advice regarding wedding stuff and my mom.  

Background: my parents are divorced and my mom has had primary custody of me.  Also, my mom is an addict.  Throughout various times in her life, she's been addicted to alcohol and drugs.  When I was younger she was addicted to pot and cocaine...asI got older, she was doing heroin.  My mom has always been physical and emotionally abusive towards me, and one time, she came dangerously close to being sexually abusive when she was high/drunk.  When I say physically and emotionally abusive, I can't begin to describe the torture and hell she put me through; I still have physical scars from her.  As I got older, I would question her on her erratic behavior; she would tell me that she was having trouble sleeping and that's why she acted funny (like falling asleep while using the bathroom) and because I was young I believed her (I later found out that she was doing that because she was high on heroin).

As I got older, I started defending myself from her physical abuse by hitting her back; I still remember the last time she hit me...I pushed her against the wall and I looked in the face and I told her "if you ever hit me again, I will beat the sh*t out of you."  She never hit me again, but the emotional abuse continued.  I graduated HS early and I moved in with my dad.  At that point, we kept in contact for a bit, but her addiction overtook her and she got evicted and was in and out of jail.  The emotional abuse continued (she would collect call from jail, asking me for money and when I couldn't give it to her, she would berate me) until one day, I cut her out of my life.  It was great because I was finally strong enough to break the abusive hold she had on me.  We didn't talk for about 5 years; during that time, I finished undergraduate and managed to pursue my veterinary medicine degree.  She was in and out of jail, living on the streets, and abusing drugs.  

She eventually got sober and she's been sober for ~6-7 years now (I can't remember exactly) and we've started a new relationship.   Our relationship has been pretty solid (I'd say we have fairly "normal" mother daughter fights).  However the issue is that she is an addict and b/c she's not longer using drugs and alcohol, she has to be addicted to other things and for her, it's being addicted to ALWAYS having all attention on her.  Examples include: sobbing/crying histerically loudly at my vet school graduation so that everyone around her was looking at her, grabbing all the attention during a funeral by yelling for her friend (it was the friend's dad's funeral), walking UP THE AISLE at my cousin's wedding, while they walked down the aisle to get married, to run after my cousin's now step-son, despite the fact that he doesn't know her and has issues with strange people trying to touch him.  Another class thing she does is negatively speak very loudly about people, when they are 10 feet from her.  Bottom line is that she's an addict.

Redgarding the wedding: we're not taking money from her, because she doesn't have any to give; in fact, I even bought her dress b/c she couldn't afford it (not that I can really afford it either).  She has insisted from day one that she's wanted to get her MU done and I've told her that she's under no obligation to do it and I've been honest regarding the cost of the MU from the get-go.  She still wanted to have her MU done, but she also wanted a trial.  So, I set up a trial for both of us on the same day as my first dress fitting.  During the trial, she was her typical, it's all about me self, but I rolled with it.  We left and I went to the mall inbetween the trial and the fitting b/c I wanted to look at some MU the artist was telling me about; mom came with and bought the $18 dollar eyeliner they used on her.  Then she tells me she's going to be late to the fitting b/c she's got to drive the speed limit and blow into a breathilizer in order to start the car, which takes longer (all parts of her conditional driver's liscense due to her mulitple DUIs).  Ok, fine.  She finally shows up to the fitting, after we're almost done, with COFFEE FROM DUNKIN DOUGHNUTS!  She couldn't make it on time, but she had time to get coffee.  This really bothers me mostly b/c she tells me I'm excluding her from the wedding planning, but when I include her, it's ALL ABOUT HER!

We go out for lunch and then we look at a couple of stores for bridal shower invites (which at first she doesn't want to do because she doesn't want to get stuck in traffic--says the woman that claims I exclude her).  I don't find anything I love and we stop for the day.  

The next day, I'm at work, and she's texting me that I need to call her b/c she's got to send out the invites and she needs to touch base with me.  I responded that I'm at work, and I'll call her when I am available.  

So, I get off of work and she's texted me a lot of pictures of invites she went out and bought.  There was one I liked and I told her, use those.  We went back and forth on what to write in the invite.  I sent her a draft via google documents, which she had permission to access.  She couldn't get the document and I asked her to walk me through the steps she was using to open the document.  At this point she was being really nasty to me and I asked her why she was being so nasty?  She flipped out on me, started yelling at me, and calling me nasty names, so I hung up on her, after saying "ok, I'm hanging up now".  Then she starts sending me really nasty text messages about how I'm a bridezilla b/c nothing she can do is right and I don't like anything she's picked out, and I won't let her do anything for the wedding.  I let her cool off for ~30 mins and I then I called her back to try to calmly discuss things with her; that was a mistake.  I had her on speaker so FI could hear how she was acting, she was screaming at the top of her lungs (she sounded like a toddler throwing a tantrum) and generally being abusive towards me.  I remained very calm and tried to discuss things with her; she yelled at me b/c we're having the bridal shower at FMIL's house (why can't we have it at her house?  Because mom, you live in a one bedroom apartment that isn't big enough for a bridal shower and you live 2-3 hours from where the majority of the guests live).  Like I said, I remained calm until she said to me, "I'm done".  At that point I said, "Oh, you're done.  I'm done too" and hung up.

She started texting me again and saying, I forced her to have a trial and now she only has $50 dollars to last her until the end of March, and other generally manipulative things.  She also started calling me constantly on my cell and house number.  The text messages ranged from blaming me for everything to saying she was sorry to begging me to let her finish the invites for the shower.  We haven't spoken since and I honestly don't know what to do.

I don't not want her at the wedding, at the same time, I'm reluctant to have her there due to her behavior.  I really just want this day to be about the love FI and I have.  The shower invites need to get sent out ASAP b/c the shower is April 21st, however, FMIL is out of the country and won't be back for a while, and my bridemaids that live in town are not available to help with the invites today.  Should I do the invites myself?  I feel weird doing my own bridal shower invites, but I really don't want my mom to do them at this point.  I really don't even want my mom at the shower b/c I'm afraid of what she'll do.

If you've read this far, thank you.  I would love to hear your thoughs and opinions regarding how I should handle my mother.  One of my bridesmaids said, invite her to the wedding, but don't involve her with any details...act as though she's just a guest.  I'm afraid though if she's not listed as a host of the bridal shower, but she's a guest, people question why she's not a host.  It's the first time FIs extended family will be meeting her, so I'm really nervous.

Thank you again.
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Re: Advice Needed (very, very long).

  • First of all let me say I'm sorry for all you've had to go through in your life.  You sound like you are a very strong person and have already made some very hard decisions in your life.  You will continue to have to make difficult decisions regarding your relationship with your mother.  Remember to always do what is best for YOU and YOUR future.

    Who exactly is hosting the shower?  I would say if you're not hosting it, but the hosts are unavailable to help right now it would be perfectly okay to do your own invitations.  I don't think typical etiquette quite applies here.  Also, not listing her as a host may not be a big deal.  In many circles it's still not considered appropriate for the bride's mother to host a shower.  I know my mom is helping out big time with my shower but refused to have her name as a host.  That alone shouldn't raise too many questions.  Perhaps though, if you feel comfortable, you should give FMIL a heads up about some things so she's not blindsided by your mother's behavior and has an appropriate prepared response to it and to others who may ask.
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  • Wow. First of all, I am so sorry you've had to go through this! This is a very sticky situation. I commend you for being so forgiving and even trying to have a relationship after all of this. Her behavior is not really normal though, as far as "mother/daughter fights" go. I agree with your BM. Invite her, but try to dodge brining her to extracurricular events or sharing too many details.

    It seems as though you want some sort of a relationship with your mother, and to un-invite her from your wedding could be a big blow to any sort of relationship you have, not to mention you could regret it down the line. Does your mom have a sister or something that could keep her in check during the wedding? You will be busy with your groom and WP the entire day and hopefully her shenanigans won't really affect you much. Even though her behavior is erratic and embarrassing, people will not think less of you, but of her.

    Do your future in-laws know the story with her? I think if they do, they won't judge either. I'd maybe give them a heads up, or have FI do it so that they aren't blown out of the water if she starts acting up.

    As for your shower issue...the answer is simple.

    You stated: "I'm afraid though if she's not listed as a host of the bridal shower, but she's a guest, people question why she's not a host." It is TOTALLY NORMAL for the MOB to not host a shower. Actually, some people consider it rude for the MOB to throw one primarily b/c the purpose of a shower is to "shower the bride with gifts" and for the MOB to host would be grabby.
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  • first off, I sincerely hope you have an amazing therapist. What you have lived through is beyond rough. That you have any sort of relationship at all with your mother shows how strong you are.

    your mother is who she is. From what you describe, there is zero chance she won't cause drama at the shower and wedding.

    I agree with your bm. Leave your mom out. Don't wouldn't worry about people questioning why she isn't a host. My aunt is throwing my shower. My mom isn't part of it. No one cares.
  • I really don't have advice as this is a situatuion where I could't begin to imagine. I did want to say, however, that you are truly a strong person for surviving such a rough situation and I wish you nothing bu the best. You deserve it!
  • Just take care of the invitations yourself, it's not like you are actually throwing your own shower. I'm assuming the RSVPs are going to someone else? As far as your mother, I think it's amazing that you still want her to be at your wedding. No matter what, she is going to be a huge drama queen, whether you include her in planning or not. So I say stop talking to her about the wedding, if she calls and wants to berate you, hang up. Including her won't stop the emotional abuse/manipulation, so just don't include her. If she's jealous that your doing things with your friends or FMIlL, sucks for her. That's what happens when you abuse your children.
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  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-club-boards_june-2012-weddings_advice-needed-very-very-long?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding Club BoardsForum:3ae4d68d-f10a-4dec-8810-da13c14a7b86Discussion:a481385c-944e-450e-83ea-1f0f99e3606bPost:38b99307-4b55-42fb-9936-18ada709e1f0">Re: Advice Needed (very, very long).</a>:
    [QUOTE]Wow. First of all, I am so sorry you've had to go through this! This is a very sticky situation. I commend you for being so forgiving and even trying to have a relationship after all of this. Her behavior is not really normal though, as far as "mother/daughter fights" go. <strong>I agree with your BM. Invite her, but try to dodge brining her to extracurricular events or sharing too many details. It seems as though you want some sort of a relationship with your mother, and to un-invite her from your wedding could be a big blow to any sort of relationship you have, not to mention you could regret it down the line. Does your mom have a sister or something that could keep her in check during the wedding? You will be busy with your groom and WP the entire day and hopefully her shenanigans won't really affect you much. Even though her behavior is erratic and embarrassing, people will not think less of you, but of her.</strong> Do your future in-laws know the story with her? I think if they do, they won't judge either. I'd maybe give them a heads up, or have FI do it so that they aren't blown out of the water if she starts acting up. As for your shower issue...the answer is simple. You stated: "I'm afraid though if she's not listed as a host of the bridal shower, but she's a guest, people question why she's not a host." It is TOTALLY NORMAL for the MOB to not host a shower. Actually, some people consider it rude for the MOB to throw one primarily b/c the purpose of a shower is to "shower the bride with gifts" and for the MOB to host would be grabby.
    Posted by MiksChick23[/QUOTE]

    I agree with this. It would make more of a scene when she shows up uninvited to your wedding.

    I am so sorry she has put you through all of this. It is horrible!

    I wonder if she is starting to feel the stress of the wedding? (Not to excuse her behavior, but maybe it is making it worse?) I have been watching Bridezillas on Netflix and some of the moms seem so stressed out by the whole thing, they go bonkers. I also think leaving her out of stuff as much as you can will help this issue.
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    [QUOTE]Just take care of the invitations yourself, it's not like you are actually throwing your own shower. I'm assuming the RSVPs are going to someone else? As far as your mother, I think it's amazing that you still want her to be at your wedding. No matter what, she is going to be a huge drama queen, whether you include her in planning or not. So I say stop talking to her about the wedding, if she calls and wants to berate you, hang up. Including her won't stop the emotional abuse/manipulation, so just don't include her. <strong>If she's jealous that your doing things with your friends or FMlL, sucks for her. That's what happens when you abuse your children.
    </strong>Posted by daria24[/QUOTE]

    I also agree with this!!!
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  • Oh wow.....the girls have some good advice.  I just want to commend you on being so strong and even allowing you back in her life.
  • Thanks ladies for your advice.  It was hard to write this and hard to read responses, but thank you very much.  

    I think I will talk to my mom shortly and explain my positioning to her.

    Thanks again. 
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  • I don't have a ton to add to what other people have said, aside from the fact that NOBODY will think it's odd that the MOB is not hosting the shower.  My mother is not a host of mine, just my BMs (and possibly FMIL, I'm unclear on this).  Until recently, it was 100% poor etiquette for the MOB to host the shower anyway, and even now that's kind of touchy depending on who you talk to and what your social circles are.

    Remember that your FILs first impressions of your mother won't reflect on you - they'll reflect on her.  My mother also behaves badly in public so I have to keep reminding myself of this fact, too.

    I know this is really hard to go through, and kudos to you for being so strong through all of this.  Do what your gut tells you to do here - you know you can't change your mother's behavior, but it definitely sounds like you have the skills to do what you need to do to deal with it.

    Finally, as far as shower invites, usually 2-3 weeks in advance is enough - it might not be ideal, but it's enough.  The hosts of your shower have the entire month of March to figure out what they're going to do and how; let them worry about it :)
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  • edited March 2012
    First off I'm really sorry you having been dealing with all of this. I give you so much credit for being so strong when it comes to your mother. 

    I can defiantly relate to you. We have come from very similar situations minus some of the abuse. My mother has been an addict all of my life. I have tried for so long to make our relationship work but I had to give that up about three years ago when I finally realized I couldn't get any where with her. So needless to say my mother has not been involved in any of the wedding planning and she will also not be invited. All I can say is your a better person then me because I still can't even get to the point were I even want to pick up the phone when she calls.

    But the best advice I can give you is to sit down and talk to her about it. From what I get from you are mothers are a lot alike! The addict in them makes them very selfish so it's very hard to get anywhere without it coming back to them. But of course you know your mother's behavior and what to expect. When it comes to the shower invites, I would just send them out myself  so that you know it's going to get done. 

    Good luck and remember it's your wedding. It should be one the best days of your life, please don't let your mother ruin that for you! I know how hard this whole wedding process can be without the support of your mother, keep your head up!
  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-club-boards_june-2012-weddings_advice-needed-very-very-long?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20Club%20BoardsForum:3ae4d68d-f10a-4dec-8810-da13c14a7b86Discussion:a481385c-944e-450e-83ea-1f0f99e3606bPost:2712bf07-a704-4cad-8e29-8f2e9ceba11b">Re: Advice Needed (very, very long).</a>:
    [QUOTE]I don't have a ton to add to what other people have said, aside from the fact that NOBODY will think it's odd that the MOB is not hosting the shower.  My mother is not a host of mine, just my BMs (and possibly FMIL, I'm unclear on this).  Until recently, it was 100% poor etiquette for the MOB to host the shower anyway, and even now that's kind of touchy depending on who you talk to and what your social circles are. Remember that your FILs first impressions of your mother won't reflect on you - they'll reflect on her.  My mother also behaves badly in public so I have to keep reminding myself of this fact, too. I know this is really hard to go through, and kudos to you for being so strong through all of this.  Do what your gut tells you to do here - you know you can't change your mother's behavior, but it definitely sounds like you have the skills to do what you need to do to deal with it. Finally, as far as shower invites, usually 2-3 weeks in advance is enough - it might not be ideal, but it's enough.  The hosts of your shower have the entire month of March to figure out what they're going to do and how; let them worry about it :)
    Posted by DrPB2b13[/QUOTE]

    <div>All of this.  I'd bold it all but that is pretty redudant.  Sorry you are dealing with this, stay strong girl!</div>
  • These ladies have given you some incredible advice. Continue to stay strong and know what you want. 
  • I first off want to say I've been there (but with my dad) so I know kinda what you are going through.  If you ever want to talk more about it feel free to PM me.  Beyond that, I really hope you are speaking to a counselor about your relationship with your mom.  I went through a lot of therapy to really feel better about the relationship I had with my dad.  It's definitely rough at times but will help you feel so much better even after each session.

    Beyond that, I have no other advice to give beyond what others have said.  Hang in there and do what is best for you and your future. 
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