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Mom being difficult. Help!!

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My boyfriend and I are finising college, and have been dating for almost a year.  We've talked about getting married (jokingly and not) for a while now.  I've spent time with his family (spent Christmas with them, actually), and I love them and I'm pretty sure they love me.  

He's spent time with my family too, and they are....less than enthusiastic.  My mom, who is judgemental, opinionated, stubborn, and an overall hard person to get along with, claims she likes him "as a person" every time I ask her.  She is kind and welcomes him into her home, but she voices concerns to me that are harsh and make him very uncomfortable when I pass them along.

She worries that he'll make me "live in poverty," for example, due to the fact that it is extremely important to him to help the poor.  I try to explain what his plans are for that (which are perfectly reasonable, and will definitely NOT cause us to live in the kind of poverty that she imagines), but she doesn't believe me.  She claims that I am very go-with-the-flow (which is true) and is concerned that he will steamroll my opinion when it comes to big life decisions.  I know he won't, but again she think's I'm being naive and too trusting.  

So, recently he found out that with a specific graduate school program he wants to get into, he'll get benefits and a salary.  Which was my biggest stipulation before we can get married.  I told my mom about the program, not about the we-might-get-married part, and she immediately caught on.  She went off about this, that, and the other thing, (i don't even remember, it became a jumble of words after a while).

So what do I do?  How do I convince her that he'll be a great husband and, someday, father?  At what point do I give up and say "my life, my problems, leave me alone"?  He's doing everything he can, but nothing is good enough.  

Re: Mom being difficult. Help!!

  • Well, I can totally relate to this. My mom has even went to the point of saying "no one will ever be good enough for her daughter". So, with that being said I came to the conclusion that no matter who I am going to marry she isn't going to be happy no matter what. I then stopped worrying about her. She is my mom and I will love her forever but that doesn't mean that I have to please her with my every decision. No one is perfect, least of all her. Talk to her about it. If she can't see reason let her know that no matter if she supports hour decision or not that you are still going to go through with it. BUT do NOT let her bad opinion or dislike be fuel to do something just because you know it will make her mad. Do it because he makes you happy.
  • If you are old enough to get married then now would be the time to say it's your life, your problems, whatever. However, I think it would be worth your time to hear your mother out. Schedule a time for just the two of you to sit down and have a real discussion about her concerns so you can address them as well as consider what she is saying. LISTEN to what she is saying because honestly it sounds like you aren't even bothering to pay attention if you can't remember what she said. She may have some valid points.

    You're young and you haven't been dating very long. Why the rush?

    I'm also curious about this grad program. Why would he get benefits and a salary?


  • Why the rush?  Why is anyone ever in a rush to get married?  We want to start having a life together.  I want to be one unit, and dating just doesn't allow that.  

    I have sat down with her, for hours on end, many MANY times.  I've tried to get her to sit down with him and talk to both of us about it, but she always finds a way to be busy when he's visiting.  

    As for the program, he wants to be a teacher and he's applying for "Teach for America."  It's different credential program that the usual one for teachers.  He'll be a lot more independent in his classroom than a regular student teacher would be.  And, of course, he'll get paid.

    Thank you for the advice.  I suppose she'll warm up to him eventually, and in the meantime, I'll have to try to not let it affect my relationship with him.  
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    [QUOTE]Why the rush?  Why is anyone ever in a rush to get married?  We want to start having a life together.  I want to be one unit, and dating just doesn't allow that.
    Posted by AllyV14[/QUOTE]
    My now fiancé and I have been building a life together since we bought our house together two and a half years ago. Why do you have to be married to share a life together?

  • tuarceathatuarceatha member
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    edited January 2013
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_mom-being-difficult-help?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:03e0a60a-758a-40b1-93f4-474bd8f0b94cPost:c36e649d-6d93-44e9-b145-9004be1681ae">Re: Mom being difficult. Help!!</a>:
    [QUOTE]Why the rush?  Why is anyone ever in a rush to get married?  We want to start having a life together.  I want to be one unit, and dating just doesn't allow that.   I have sat down with her, for hours on end, many MANY times.  I've tried to get her to sit down with him and talk to both of us about it, but she always finds a way to be busy when he's visiting.   As for the program, he wants to be a teacher and he's applying for "Teach for America."  It's different credential program that the usual one for teachers.  He'll be a lot more independent in his classroom than a regular student teacher would be.  And, of course, he'll get paid. Thank you for the advice.  I suppose she'll warm up to him eventually, and in the meantime, I'll have to try to not let it affect my relationship with him.  
    Posted by AllyV14[/QUOTE]

    When you are an adult, dating someone can bring you together as one unit. I'm like 100% sure one shouldn't rush into marriage.

    Marriage can wait, date, date, date! (Spartans, anyone?)
  • steignsteign member
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    edited January 2013
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_mom-being-difficult-help?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:03e0a60a-758a-40b1-93f4-474bd8f0b94cPost:c36e649d-6d93-44e9-b145-9004be1681ae">Re: Mom being difficult. Help!!</a>:
    [QUOTE]Why the rush?  Why is anyone ever in a rush to get married?  <strong>We want to start having a life together.  I want to be one unit, and dating just doesn't allow that. </strong>  I have sat down with her, for hours on end, many MANY times.  I've tried to get her to sit down with him and talk to both of us about it, but she always finds a way to be busy when he's visiting.   As for the program, he wants to be a teacher and he's applying for "Teach for America."  It's different credential program that the usual one for teachers.  He'll be a lot more independent in his classroom than a regular student teacher would be.  And, of course, he'll get paid. Thank you for the advice.  I suppose she'll warm up to him eventually, and in the meantime, I'll have to try to not let it affect my relationship with him.  
    Posted by AllyV14[/QUOTE]

    This is actually pretty inaccurate, and offensive. Are you saying that two people dating cannot be one unit? As in the fact that my BF and I, living together, paying mutual bills, and buying items to furnish our home does not make us 'a unit'? Last I checked not being married doesn't make you less of a social unit. We both love each other very much and want to spend the rest of our lives together. Whether or not we get engaged this year, next year, or in 5 years will not change that.

    If you want to get married, tell your mom that.. If you're old enough to make that decision then you are old enough to stick up to your mother. Just be prepared she may not support your decision. You sound like you're young and I don't see why you *must* get married right away but, if you do that's your choice.
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  • You said your BF is applying for a graduate program, but what are your plans for a career?  TFA doesn't pay enough to support two people - and since it's a program rather than a job offer for a permanent job, you can't be sure that he will find full time employment when that ends, anyway.  

    It's fine to want to help people - I'm certainly on this path while my FI is taking a completely different one with his career - and it definitely doesn't mean you have to live in poverty, but it may actually affect your lifestyle.  If you are accustomed to fancier things, maybe your mom has a point?  Or if you will be the breadwinner, but your BF will be the one making large financial decisions, she might be concerned.  However, that's essentially none of her business as long as you and your BF agree on your lifestyle and how financial responsibilities are split.

    I do think it's in your best interest to experience the real world with adult responsibilities before getting married. Growing up with someone is nice, but actually feeling independent is really satisfying.  I transitioned from college to the real world while I was in a new relationship with my now FI, but I still made decisions based on my own needs and wants that have lead me to feel really happy and confident with my place in the world.  I definitely would not feel the same way if I rushed into "becoming one" with him.  We've still been a unit from the very beginning - just a unit that had two separate people who were maturing into independent adults.  
  • I feel like it's really not necessary to "convince" your mom before you're engaged.  But I will tell you that after breaking up with my ex (whose mom hated me), I realized life is SO MUCH BETTER when the in-laws like you.  Not true for everyone, but definitely true for me.

    And a graduate program with salary and benefits is awesome (it's what I had too, so I approve, haha) but a graduate program doesn't have a set "end date" and could in theory, end whenever your boss wants it too (I suppose a real job could too.)  It should also be noted that I got paid under the poverty line when I was in grad school - it's not like raking in billions or anything.  Certainly not an easy salary to buy a ring on.

    Congrats to your boyfriend, but don't worry about getting married.  Maybe you all can move in together or something (your mom will likely throw a fit about that too - don't worry about it) and test the waters.  But I'd recommend getting a job of your own as well, and not combining finances for a while.

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    [QUOTE]Why the rush?  Why is anyone ever in a rush to get married?  We want to start having a life together.  I want to be one unit, and dating just doesn't allow that.   I have sat down with her, for hours on end, many MANY times.  I've tried to get her to sit down with him and talk to both of us about it, but she always finds a way to be busy when he's visiting.   As for the program, he wants to be a teacher and he's applying for <strong>"Teach for America."  It's different credential program that the usual one for teachers.</strong>  He'll be a lot more independent in his classroom than a regular student teacher would be.  And, of course, he'll get paid. Thank you for the advice.  I suppose she'll warm up to him eventually, and in the meantime, I'll have to try to not let it affect my relationship with him.  
    Posted by AllyV14[/QUOTE]

    <div>Yea, it's different because it's not for teachers. I hate TFA and almost everything they stand for. </div><div>
    </div><div>I'll say that I was on your BF's side of this whole thing when my FI and I started dating. His mom thought that my "religion" would force him to live a life of poverty and lack of self reliance. And she made it very clear that I would never dictate what her son would do with his life (he's so stubborn and independent that how she thinks it's possible is beyond me, but whatevs). </div><div>
    </div><div>It turns out that her issues came from stuff she saw in her brother's marriage that truly are unfair and really are imposed on him by his crazy bible thumping wife. I may work for a church and have an active faith, but that doesn't mean I'm anything like her SIL. It took two years of us dating for her to see that. And many many many conversations, both of us listening to her and being transparent. She loves me now, even if she doesn't always understand that we both enjoy being active in our church. </div><div>
    </div><div>What I'm trying to say is this: date longer. Give your mom a chance to SEE that he's got your best intentions at heart, that y'all can make life decisions together (because they're coming, fast). And please, oh please, date after college. There is no need to get engaged in college. And I'm not saying this as some old lady, I'm saying it as a woman who is marrying her college sweetheart with whom she talked marriage with her BF during their senior year of college after dating a year. </div>
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  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_mom-being-difficult-help?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:03e0a60a-758a-40b1-93f4-474bd8f0b94cPost:da473e50-6941-4293-9732-dfd607a15ddc">Re: Mom being difficult. Help!!</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Mom being difficult. Help!! : Yea, it's different because it's not for teachers. I hate TFA and almost everything they stand for.
    Posted by audrewuh[/QUOTE]

    Why?

    I'm not disagreeing I just don't know anything about TFA so I'm curious.


  • edited January 2013
    andrewuh is correct in saying dating longer can help with that. I have been with my BF for just over 3 years. My mom was extremely skeptical about my BF and I at first. She thought he was possessive and controlling. Plus, his religious beliefs don't completely align with ours so she was convinced he would hurt me. Now, she really likes him, she's beginning to let him see the "real" her. She finally jokes around and teases him. She's even gone as far as to talk about when he and I get married.
    We can all be "stubborn, opinionated, and hard to get along with" at times. The way to win your Mom over is to let your boyfriend be himself around her. I won my MIL over with my own personality even if she considers me neurotic (she has never said so, but you know :p) and considers my career path (librarian) less than appealing.
    I understand the feeling about wanting to start a life together. My religious beliefs prohibit living together before marriage, but it doesn't feel right sometimes when I leave his apt to go "home" to mine. But we do have a life together. It's made up of little things like eating together and talking and having "our" TV shows. It's our "one unit" connection that we understand each other in ways no one else does.
    Also, a wedding only has the power you ascribe to it. The licence is a legal matter, if you're religious then the ceremony is a religious matter. None of these matters will change who you and your BF are intrinsically. Extrinsically you'll be married, but that paper and that ceremony won't make you "one unit" if you don't feel it already inside.
  • Oh, boy.  

    Our families are both EXTREMELY religious and traditional.  So are we, for that matter.  If we lived together, aside from going against our beliefs, we would risk being ostracized by both sides.  At the very least, we would loose massive amounts of respect from our families and we would lose any support for our marriage.  

    Going along with the tradition, in the eyes of my family (less so from his) we are not viewed nor treated as a unit until we have rings.  Or at least until one of us does (me).  He would be less welcome at holidays and family gatherings, and if I go to his holidays, eyebrows would raise (I went for Christmas and they did).  

    As for all the graduate program plans, yes we have backups, but I feel like it is irrelavent to this thread to spend three hours typing explanations.  I am going to graduate school also. I know the TFA program offers a fairly low salary, but it does offer BENEFITS.  As in health insurance.  As for buying a ring, I don't even require a diamond.  I'll get an upgrade someday if that's what it takes to get something on my finger.

    And then there's the minor detail that we really want to have sex, but according to the deep religious beliefs we both hold, that is out of the question.  Please don't fixate on this, it really is only a small part of it.  We aren't going to get married just to have sex.  Although there will be a lot of it after we are married ;)

    And, yes, we're undergraduates in college, and young.  But it bugs me when someone cites that as a reason not to get married.  It actually is very similar to what my mother is doing: treating my like my thoughts, opinions, goals, and desires are invalid because I am inexperienced in the world.  
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