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kinsey0628
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Prop 8 Overturned in CA
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/02/gay-marriage-prop-8s-ban-ruled-unconstitutional.html
California's ban on gay marriage ruled unconstitutional
California's ban on gay marriage ruled unconstitutional
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Re: Prop 8 Overturned in CA
"Halloween may have loose women scantily clad...
But Christmas has a pregnant virgin.
Way cooler." - anna.oskar
[QUOTE]Won't there be an appeal with the Supreme Court now? I think I heard something about that on the radio this morning. Once the SC makes their decision, can it still be appealed after that is their word final?
Posted by adamar15[/QUOTE]<div>
</div><div>It can be if there is a really compelling case. For example Brown vs. The Board of Education overturned the previous SC ruling in Plessy vs. Ferguson. I think it's a lot harder to get a case to court though. People have been working on getting in a case to overturn Roe vs Wade since the day after it happened.
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BUT CLEARLY THAT WOULD MEAN THE END OF THE WORLD.
Wedding stuff.
"Halloween may have loose women scantily clad...
But Christmas has a pregnant virgin.
Way cooler." - anna.oskar
I suck at explaining things, but I gave it my best shot.
It's a huge step in the right direction. Prop 8 should never have existed in the fist place. No one should get to vote on whether or not your marriage is legitmate.
This might explain it better...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_hyT7_Bx9o
THAT is messed up to me, that some OTHER STATE can get up in our business like that and try to make the first proposition ever to TAKE AWAY and explicity DENY someone rights. W.T.F.
[QUOTE]What really p!sses me off about this proposition (aside from everything about it) is how much funding it got from the Morman church... in UTAH. Wtf?? THAT is messed up to me, that some OTHER STATE can get up in our business like that and try to make the first proposition ever to TAKE AWAY and explicity DENY someone rights. W.T.F.
Posted by kinsey0628[/QUOTE]
That really gave Mormons a bad name over here. Which is a shame because I don't think Mormons are bad people, obviously, it's just that a few who helped push Prop 8 gave the rest a bad name. Same with Utah. There was a thread awhile back about how Salt Lake City is the friendliest gay community... or something like that. It's upsetting how surprising it was to hear that. Like, we shouldn't be surprised. A few Mormons from Utah are homophobic. Great. Other Utahians (?) aren't and not all Mormons are aholes. But those few Mormons from Utah gave the rest of them such a bad name that homophobia became synonymous with Mormons from Utah. :(
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Prop 8 Overturned in CA : That really gave Mormons a bad name over here. Which is a shame because I don't think Mormons are bad people, obviously, it's just that a few who helped push Prop 8 gave the rest a bad name. Same with Utah. There was a thread awhile back about how Salt Lake City is the friendliest gay community... or something like that. It's upsetting how surprising it was to hear that. Like, we shouldn't be surprised. A few Mormons from Utah are homophobic. Great. Other Utahians (?) aren't and not all Mormons are aholes. But those few Mormons from Utah gave the rest of them such a bad name that homophobia became synonymous with Mormons from Utah. :(
Posted by Simply Fated[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that is too bad. I'm not anti-Morman or anything. I'm more so not pleased with the fact that a group of ppl from ANOTHER state got up in our state's business trying to bans OUR gays from marrying.
Even if it was Mormans in Cali opposed to it, then I'd disagree with them, but at least be like "Whatever, they can have their opinion." But for people from ANOTHER state to just get all in it really bothers me.
ETA -- I should say that it bothers me because they are trying to BAN and DENY people a right (or at least an opportunity, if you want to argue what we have rights to). I wouldn't be upset if people from another State tried to HELP out people in need in other states. But to get involved in our state and try to IMO force their beliefs and ways of lives on us, that bothers me.
[QUOTE]The bad news is that the ban on gay marriage remains in place, pending appeal. Fuuuuuck. It would have been awesome to, y'know, get married at my wedding.
Posted by chrmun[/QUOTE]
But, doesn't that give you the perfect excuse for a do-over?
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Prop 8 Overturned in CA : Yeah, that is too bad. I'm not anti-Morman or anything. I'm more so not pleased with the fact that a group of ppl from ANOTHER state got up in our state's business trying to bans OUR gays from marrying. Even if it was Mormans in Cali opposed to it, then I'd disagree with them, but at least be like "Whatever, they can have their opinion." But for people from ANOTHER state to just get all in it really bothers me.
Posted by kinsey0628[/QUOTE]
It's hard for me to not get worked up about the fact that $22 MILLION came out of Utah to fund the passage of prop 8.
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Prop 8 Overturned in CA : But, doesn't that give you the perfect excuse for a do-over?
Posted by sarabellam[/QUOTE]
(SHUDDER)
[QUOTE] Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but when they actively try to infringe upon someone else's equal rights their opinion becomes a problem.
Posted by Simply Fated[/QUOTE]
I totally agree with you
Prop 8 was the first proposition ever created to specifically, categorically DENY people rights. Very inappropriate, in my o.
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Prop 8 Overturned in CA : But, doesn't that give you the perfect excuse for a do-over?
Posted by sarabellam[/QUOTE]
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</div><div>I think that may be the only reason behind a wedding do-over that I can get behind!</div><div>
</div><div>I still remember being out one night at one of the gay bars right after same-sex marriages got legalized in Iowa. The two women getting married were having a joint bachelorette party there. One of their dads came with them in support. Granted, he looked terribly out of place, but when they were welcoming the group up on the stage, he spoke briefly about how proud he was of his daughter. It brought tears to pretty much everyone's eyes.</div>
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Prop 8 Overturned in CA : (SHUDDER)
Posted by chrmun[/QUOTE]
I guess that means you get the reverse do-over. PPD first, then JOP when they finally get the laws right.
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Prop 8 Overturned in CA : It's hard for me to not get worked up about the fact that $22 MILLION came out of Utah to fund the passage of prop 8.
Posted by chrmun[/QUOTE]
That is very hurtful... to know that anywhere close to that amount was raised with such vile intentions.
We will prolly have to get the reverse do-over. I'm frustrated.
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Prop 8 Overturned in CA : That is very hurtful... to know that anywhere close to that amount was raised with such vile intentions.
Posted by Simply Fated[/QUOTE]
I know :(
Even if you are not into gay marriage... why CARE that much?? I can't imagine CARING that much to DENY someone a right. You don't want gay marriage? Then don't gaily marry anyone. Wtf?
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Prop 8 Overturned in CA : I totally agree with you Prop 8 was the first proposition ever created to specifically, categorically DENY people rights. Very inappropriate, in my o.
Posted by kinsey0628[/QUOTE]
Not the first proposition, the first constitutional amendment. There was a prop in the 70s that specifically wanted to ban gay teachers from teaching in public schools. Ronald Reagan was instrumental in keeping that from passing. Also, CA already denied gay marriage about 10 years ago, but Prop 8 was a constitutional amendment - the "ban" on gay marriage was already on the books.
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Prop 8 Overturned in CA : It can be if there is a really compelling case. For example Brown vs. The Board of Education overturned the previous SC ruling in Plessy vs. Ferguson. I think it's a lot harder to get a case to court though. People have been working on getting in a case to overturn Roe vs Wade since the day after it happened.
Posted by annakb8[/QUOTE]
But they would need another court case to reverse the decision. They can't come back to SCOTUS with THIS particular case and say, "Actually, we want you to think about this decision again." They court can go against their own precedent with another case, but they'd need a compelling reason to do so, since precendent counts for a lot when it comes to the law.
Anyway, I'm kind of surprised that the "Yes on 8" people want to bump it up to the supreme court, but they can appeal if they want to (I just don't see how they can win, and then they run the risk of the opinion overturning every constitutional ban on gay marriage in the US). This decision is very, very specific in how Prop 8 violates constitutional rights, so it would be really, really hard for SCOTUS to somehow make the opposite decision. SCOTUS can also refuse to hear the case (in which case the decision would stand, but it would only affect California). The case was written as it pertains specifically to California, so for now, it doesn't affect any other states.
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Where in LA are you? I am in the Valley, even tho my profile says Philly, I need to edit it.
[QUOTE]Thanks for the clarification MeryMac! You clearly know more about the law than I do. Where in LA are you? I am in the Valley, even tho my profile says Philly, I need to edit it.
Posted by kinsey0628[/QUOTE]
I live in West Hollywood, but I work in the Valley!
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