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Another side to the getting rid of a bridesmaid coin

Now, before anyone says anything angry to me, please read this all the way through, even though I know it's really long.

I had 5 bridesmaids, and had another person I wanted to ask (to make it 6), but my parents wouldn't let me (something about too many people up there, not enough space, the expense, since they're paying for part of the BM dress, etc).  Since they're paying for the wedding, it was out of my hands.

Anyway, my MOH is my sister, and my BMs were 2 friends from high school, a friend from college, and a really close family friend.  This focuses around the friend from college.

We'd been friends for several years, and she had been diagnosed with an inoperable brain tumor about 2 years before I got engaged.  I was devastated at the news, and have tried to do everything I can to be there for her.

So, I was able to collect 3 of my BMs to go dress shopping (The 2 high school friend, and the college friend).  I went in with something in mind, but told all of them I was open to other ideas.

So we get to the store, and all hell breaks loose.  First she complains about my color choice.  Then the fabric.  Then the dress that I had originally looked at.  That part didn't bother me, so I suggested we look at other dresses, but said that the color and the fabric weren't up for discussion.

So she goes and gets a dress that is completely inappropriate for my wedding.  Her chest is hanging out, the skirt is super short, and it's practically backless.  My family and my FI's family are fairly conservative, and with my family, due to religious reasons, the sleeves thing is a problem that we're just going to deal with.

I tried to explain this to her, and she throws a huge fit, and starts talking to the other BMs and the lady who worked at the store about it, trying to get them to bully me into it (along the lines of if we bother her enough, she will give in, to avoid the drama).  None of them agreed.

Finally, I got them all to put on the other dress, which looked lovely on all of them.  She complained about the high back, because she wanted to cover her tattoos.  i explained that, due to my family, the exposed tattoos were a problem.  She started sulking.  Then, after getting her measurements, she stormed out without really saying goodbye.

I was really upset about all the drama, and I wondered if maybe her health was acting up, so I figured I would call her the next day to see if everything was ok.  When I called, she didn't answer, but then responded with a text, saying that she was busy, what was up?  So I said that I just wanted to see if she was ok, because she hadn't seemed like herself.  She then shot back that she felt like no one was listening to her, and that we were being mean to her.  I tried to be understanding and talk with her about it (all through text, since she wouldn't answer the phone), but she just kept getting more and more hostile, and finally said, "Well, I don't think I want to be in your wedding if you're going to be like this."  The only response I could think of was to say something along the lines of, if that's how you feel, then I have to respect your wishes.  I hope you'll still come to the wedding.  She then informed me that she wouldn't.

Several days later, she texted me, hostile once again, demanding to know why she'd been fired from my wedding.  When I reminded her she had said she didn't want to be in it, she didn't respond to that, except to say she'd been sick, and that's why she wouldn't answer the phone.

After that, I ended up asking the other person I had wanted to have in my wedding.  I guess it's a replacement, but not in the way some people have talked about- it certainly wasn't a consolation prize, and she was someone I sincerely wanted in my wedding to begin with, but was unable to include.

Needless to say, the original BM and I are no longer friends, which makes me really sad. 

So I guess this is another side to the bridesmaid coin, but also a little bit of a cautionary tale.  I'm definitely with the other posters on this subject, that you shouldn't fire someone because they're not doing things for your wedding (I've got one of those too- my BMs are fulll of all sorts of fun drama), nor should you generally replace someone, unless there's a specific circumstance.

Just my 2 cent's worth.

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  • That's an awful situation, and I think I would have been a little more pushy about the health issue. Brain tumors can push on certain parts of the brain and cause people to totally change their personality. It happens.

    I think in this situation, she really did remove herself from the WP, so you didn't actively get rid of her. I'm sorry you aren't friends anymore, as it certainly seems like someone with an inoperable brain tumor would need a friend more than ever.
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  • I don't blame you at all. She's the one who said she wouldn't be in the wedding and it's her choice. I see your point completely...it all depends on circumstance.
  • From the even sides thing and the tattoo thing, it seems to me like your family is pushing you around a lot. I can understand that they want input since they are paying, but when their demands affect other people besides you then that can be a problem.

    I wonder if that is why the original BM was mad? I think the request not to pick a dress that makes her boobs hang out is totally reasonable, and if your house of worship requires sleeves and no visible tattoos then there's not much you can do about it. (For the ceremony, anyway ... perhaps she could've worn a shawl or jacket and then removed it for the party.) But maybe she feels like your family is calling the shots and not allowing you to listen to what your friends want?
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  • She was totally out of line, and that sucks. But I still don't agree with your decision to replace her.
  • That may have been part of it, the other part is my mom's family is extremely religiously conservative, and we're running into a lot of problems with that.  In some ways, they are calling the shots, but for my mom's parents not to speak to her because of some other choices that could have been made was not ok with me.  I love my mom dearly, and she doesn't deserve that kind of treatment.  If it meant making compromises to avoid that outcome, it was worth it to me, and they all knew about that situation from the get go, as my relationship with my grandparents has been pretty dicey, since they found out I was marrying someone out of their faith.
  • Emilyinchile- like I said, yes it was a replacement, but it was also being able to have someone in my wedding who I wanted from the get go, so it wasn't really the standard replacement.  But that's your opinion, and tis is a place for opinions and input!

    Thanks for the support on the rest though- it's been really hard.
  • Has she had other personality changes, or is she normally like this?  Part of the issue may be her illness rather than her trying to be difficult.
  • I guess the moral of the story is that if your parents are trying to make you do something you know is wrong (exclude a close friend) with money, you should decline the money and pay for it yourself.

    That's all I get out of this.  
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    I tend to agree with MNIN's opinion on this one.  I'm sorry about the situation with your friend and her health problems but if I found that I was having to make compromises I wasn't happy about (not being able to ask all of the people stand up with me that I wanted to ask) since someone else was writing the checks...I'd wonder how much it was worth to me. In that case it might have been worth it to thank them for the offer to pay for part of the BM dresses but if they were only willing to cover 5 girls and you really wanted a 6th that you would cover the remainder of that cost for the 6th girl.  (Also, that's very generous to begin with - as BMs generally expect to pay for the cost of their own attire).
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  • OP, I think that most replacements are people that the bride wanted up there, just obviously not people she wanted as much as those she originally chose. Some probably are just to even out numbers, but your situation isn't unheard of (brain tumor aside, but plenty of BMs without brain tumors go BSC) - so yes, I do think it was a standard replacement. It sounds like in your situation it's worked ok, so I'm not trying to make you feel bad, but you presented this as "I had this unique situation in which replacing was the best choice," and no, it's not that different from the other stuff we see around here.

    And I agree with MNIN, I can't imagine my parents trying to control me with money like that (based on your OP, not the follow up of religion, but I don't see how a 6th BM has anything to do with religious grandparents), and it's a shame that you felt trapped in that situation. I'd have offered to pay for the 6th BM's costs and figured out the space issue.
  • Emily - I was just thinking this myself:

    I think that most replacements are people that the bride wanted up there, just obviously not people she wanted as much as those she originally chose.

    It's kind of a shame to me when girls end up excluding people they would have loved to ask originally b/c of things like thinking they can only ask 3 if their FI has asked 3 people (the matching sides thing) or parents saying "I"m paying for this and I don't want to buy 6 dresses or boquetes or pay for 6 hairstyles so keep it down to no more than 4, please."  There are ways around that most of the time but alot of girls don't see it that way for some reason (you can have 4 on your side if he has 3 - it's OKAY! You can offer to pay for the extra BM costs if parents will only pay for a certain number of things...or find a way to reduce budget in another area....)

    In this case you didn't technically get rid of a BM, OP - she removed herself. And generally I don't ever think replacing a BM who steps out is really 100% okay - the person being asked to take her place usually knows she wasn't asked originally and can feel like she's only being asked because the other girl left.
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    That's a really awful situation.

    I totally agree with other posters though, you shouldn't let your parents bully you around. You don't want to take favors (especially from parents) with strings attached. I'm lucky and my mom and dad are paying for the wedding. My mom is Mormon (dad isn't they are divorced) which is ridic conservative. Still, the only compromise I have made so far is to wear a veil and the toast supplied is going to be non-alcoholic cider (so people won't feel left out, there will still be an open bar). She respects that it's mine and my FI's wedding and she certainly isn't going to withold support she offered to me because we disagree on things like, if my dress should have sleeves, or if I'm getting married in a church.
  • Sorry she went a little crazy on you. You said the perfect thing to her though...I respect your decision/wishes.  She has no one to blame but herself for not being in the WP.

    I understand your thought that you weren't replacing her because you had wanted this other person in your wedding from the beginning but I still probably would have left it alone. Maybe you could have offered to pay for that extra bridesmaid's costs instead of your parents. Or paid for the wedding and had the WP you wanted.
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  • I'm sorry, but I'm completely stuck on the brain tumor and personality changes. I know 2 people who both have brain tumors and one is so severe that she has huge mood swings and gets really anxious and is actually on disability because working 8 hours a day is just too much for. She'll completely break down and have to be hospitalized. I wouldn't write her completely off as a friend and really try to find out if this is causing her tantrums. This girl I know is on several medications and most of the time actually functions quite well, she just doesn't handle stressful or new situations well. Please try to find out what is going on with her or ask other mutual friends.
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  • Honestly, I understand your family's wish for you to remain conservative regarding the wedding but you let your family interfere with your other relationships and that is the part I think you should've spoken up about.  You wanted six BMs.  It is one thing to be holding the checkbook and have control but it is another matter entirely to interfere with the bride's relationships.  By dictating the number of BMs you could/couldn't have, they interfered and regardless of the fact that they are paying I find that to be over the line.

    I agree that she removed herself from the wedding.  I don't agree with your decision to replace her.  If you wanted her in it enough you would've fought your parents on it.  But, you didn't and that makes her a replacement no matter how you justify it.
  • I think the problem is that when someone steps down and you ask another person to join, observers will naturally draw a conclusion that the two events are connected, even if they're not.
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  • I don't think your story is any different.  I also believe that from your OP and your updates that you are hiding behind your parents for the excuse of replacing a bm.
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  • Blackfire5th, as I said earlier, this is a place for opinions, and you are totally entitled to whatever you think!  I wouldn't have posted this here if I thought I would only get happy responses.

    To everyone, my main reasoning for posting this, though, is that I've noticed, on this particular subject, that there are people who can be very rude and hurtful.  We're all in approximately the same situation (soon to be getting married, just gotten married, etc), but each of our weddings is completely different, and comes with its own set of complexities and difficulties.  So while we can empathize, it's unlikely that any of us is dealing with precisely the identical situation.  Sometimes the OP doesn't post things clearly (obviously I was guilty of that, and portrayed my wonderfully loving and kind parents in a less than ideal way), and the situation can come across as something it's not.  I guess I wanted to just introduce a little bit of perspective, at least from the way I see it.

    Anyway, I'm now going to leave this discussion, but you're all welcome to continue on with it as you feel inclined.
  • All I get out of all of this is that your parents money was more important than the 6th girl.  

    Sad.
  • So you posted all of this to make a point about how mean WP board posters are?  I have perspective thanks.  And my perspective is that 99% of brides that kick-out and/or replace BMs aren't subject to special circumstances.  They just care more about the look of their wedding than the people in it.

    So, thanks for the preaching and for wasting everyone's time.
  • If you want to see the WP board get on board with kicking someone out, check out "My sister attacked me."  
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    <div><span style="color:#000000;font-family:'Times New Roman';line-height:normal;font-size:medium;" class="Apple-style-span"><div style="font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10px;background-color:initial;background-image:none;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;color:#1f1f1f;font:normal normal normal 11px/14px Arial, sans-serif;text-align:left;">In Response to <a style="text-decoration:none;font-weight:normal;color:#1f1f1f;" href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_wedding-party_another-side-getting-rid-of-bridesmaid-coin?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:37Discussion:0aff9106-12c4-4a65-b8d7-f7396678cbacPost:f8e01ff7-1c58-43ff-ae76-e0ba01ca47d1">Re: Another side to the getting rid of a bridesmaid coin</a>:
    [QUOTE]Blackfire5th, as I said earlier, this is a place for opinions, and you are totally entitled to whatever you think!  I wouldn't have posted this here if I thought I would only get happy responses. To everyone, my main reasoning for posting this, though, is that I've noticed, on this particular subject, that there are people who can be very rude and hurtful.  We're all in approximately the same situation (soon to be getting married, just gotten married, etc), but each of our weddings is completely different, and comes with its own set of complexities and difficulties.  So while we can empathize, it's unlikely that any of us is dealing with precisely the identical situation.  Sometimes the OP doesn't post things clearly (obviously I was guilty of that, and portrayed my wonderfully loving and kind parents in a less than ideal way), and the situation can come across as something it's not.  I guess I wanted to just introduce a little bit of perspective, at least from the way I see it. Anyway, I'm now going to leave this discussion, but you're all welcome to continue on with it as you feel inclined.
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    </div>Hmmm, I am one of two posters you specifically addressed.  Did I hit a nerve? <div>
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    </div><div>Also, your story changes.  If your super loving and caring parents have given you an unlimited budget and asked that you keep it to 5, I bet that they would have let you have 6 bm if this girl was important.  You should start owning up to your choices rather than saying "it's because mommy and daddy said so!" </div>
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  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_wedding-party_another-side-getting-rid-of-bridesmaid-coin?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:37Discussion:0aff9106-12c4-4a65-b8d7-f7396678cbacPost:781201aa-cf60-44bf-8e0f-ea7f62fea0fc">Another side to the getting rid of a bridesmaid coin</a>:
    [QUOTE]Now, before anyone says anything angry to me, please read this all the way through, even though I know it's really long. I had 5 bridesmaids, and had another person I wanted to ask (to make it 6), but my parents wouldn't let me (something about too many people up there, not enough space, the expense, since they're paying for part of the BM dress, etc).  Since they're paying for the wedding, it was out of my hands. Anyway, my MOH is my sister, and my BMs were 2 friends from high school, a friend from college, and a really close family friend.  This focuses around the friend from college. We'd been friends for several years, and she had been diagnosed with an inoperable brain tumor about 2 years before I got engaged.  I was devastated at the news, and have tried to do everything I can to be there for her. So, I was able to collect 3 of my BMs to go dress shopping (The 2 high school friend, and the college friend).  I went in with something in mind, but told all of them I was open to other ideas. So we get to the store, and all hell breaks loose.  First she complains about my color choice.  Then the fabric.  Then the dress that I had originally looked at.  That part didn't bother me, so I suggested we look at other dresses, but said that the color and the fabric weren't up for discussion. So she goes and gets a dress that is completely inappropriate for my wedding.  Her chest is hanging out, the skirt is super short, and it's practically backless.  My family and my FI's family are fairly conservative, and with my family, due to religious reasons, the sleeves thing is a problem that we're just going to deal with. I tried to explain this to her, and she throws a huge fit, and starts talking to the other BMs and the lady who worked at the store about it, trying to get them to bully me into it (along the lines of if we bother her enough, she will give in, to avoid the drama).  None of them agreed. Finally, I got them all to put on the other dress, which looked lovely on all of them.  She complained about the high back, because she wanted to cover her tattoos.  i explained that, due to my family, the exposed tattoos were a problem.  She started sulking.  Then, after getting her measurements, she stormed out without really saying goodbye. I was really upset about all the drama, and I wondered if maybe her health was acting up, so I figured I would call her the next day to see if everything was ok.  When I called, she didn't answer, but then responded with a text, saying that she was busy, what was up?  So I said that I just wanted to see if she was ok, because she hadn't seemed like herself.  She then shot back that she felt like no one was listening to her, and that we were being mean to her.  I tried to be understanding and talk with her about it (all through text, since she wouldn't answer the phone), but she just kept getting more and more hostile, and finally said, "Well, I don't think I want to be in your wedding if you're going to be like this."  The only response I could think of was to say something along the lines of, if that's how you feel, then I have to respect your wishes.  I hope you'll still come to the wedding.  She then informed me that she wouldn't. Several days later, she texted me, hostile once again, demanding to know why she'd been fired from my wedding.  When I reminded her she had said she didn't want to be in it, she didn't respond to that, except to say she'd been sick, and that's why she wouldn't answer the phone. After that, I ended up asking the other person I had wanted to have in my wedding.  I guess it's a replacement, but not in the way some people have talked about- it certainly wasn't a consolation prize, and she was someone I sincerely wanted in my wedding to begin with, but was unable to include. Needless to say, the original BM and I are no longer friends, which makes me really sad.  So I guess this is another side to the bridesmaid coin, but also a little bit of a cautionary tale.  I'm definitely with the other posters on this subject, that you shouldn't fire someone because they're not doing things for your wedding (I've got one of those too- my BMs are fulll of all sorts of fun drama), nor should you generally replace someone, unless there's a specific circumstance. Just my 2 cent's worth.
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  • I wouldn't be to hard on yourself over this. Your original Bridesmaid is obviously going through a personal situation and handeling the only way she feels she can. As for your other friend stepping in I don't see a problem with it at all. It's not like your original BM gave you a crappy birthday present and you decided you didn't want her in your wedding anymore so you kicked her out and replaced her with her highschool arch enemy... Just a random scenario. I think you took everyones feelings into consideration and took the high road without letting the changes rain on your parade. Props to you and have a great wedding!!!
  • Oh, and I'd like to add that you and not the other side of the coin.  The girl who's sister attacked her? She is the other side of the coin.  You share the coin with all the other brides that care more about numbers than about people.

  • Are you kidding! why are you giving this a second thought. All issues aside, you find out who your true friends are when your getting married. I had to revamp my entire wedding party due to similar behaviors from bridesmaids. Ive replaced girls b/c the girls were bitches! bottom line. why r u being so hard on yourself?? anyone has a problem with you replacing a bm with someone else needs to find a hobby!
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