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UPDATED: If you know about money/investing, please come here.

CN Question at the bottom, but you may need the background to properly answer my question.

I don't know how many of you know the story of my dad stealing my college money.  Basically, Grandma had set aside money for each of us grandkids and put it into investments.  When we each got to college, we were to be given our portion.  I decided to wait until I graduated to get mine, since I would be starting my life, potentially moving, apartment hunting, etc.  Right before my senior year of college, Dad told me that he didn't have the money to pay my tuition bill (he and mom generously offered to pay for half of my college, so he always paid the upfront stuff while the loans covered my part (which I am now paying off).  He asked if we could use the grandma money for his portion and that he would have it paid back to me by the time I graduated.  I told him this was fine.

A couple weeks later, we found out that I didn't have to be on the mealplan because I was student teaching.  That lowered the bill by over $1,200.  Grandma had already written Dad the check (mistake #1), so it was no longer in her posession.  At that point, I had some hefty CC bills, so I called Grandma and asked her if I could have the money now rather than waiting till I graduated like I had originally said.  She told me that it was my money and I could have it when I want and use it however I want.

So I asked Dad for the money.  He evaded it, insisted I needed to wait until graduation to have it, and got really pissed at me for even asking for it.  I knew something was up, so I asked him if he had already spent it on something else (since my college bill was only like $250, he had over $1,700 leftover).  He had spent it on his own bills.  Without even asking me first.  We had a huge fight over it, he apologized, but it caused a huge rift.  He swore he'd get the money back to me ASAP (I didn't see it until about 3 months after graduation).

Fast forward to last night.  My little brother has decided he wants to go back to Austria to live and most likely go to school (he graduates from high school this year).  It was now time for him to get his money.  Dad is trying to claim to him that there are stipulations on that money and the school in Austria is not valid.  These aren't Grandma's stipulations, apparently they are the account that the money is in stipulations.  Mom confronted him on this that it's gotta be BS considering Dad got my money straight from Grandma and cashed it himself.  He claims to remember the check being made out to him AND my college.  It wasn't.

For my Dad's story to be plausible, my money would have needed to be in a separate account from the other grandkids AND the account their money is in would need to actually have stipulations on it that a check can only be written to a "valid" university.  I don't get how the conservatory in Vienna isn't valid anyway.

CN Question:
 I find it REALLY odd that an account, that a person put money into either savings or investment wise, has stipulations placed by the institution where it needs to go, rather than by the person who put the money in (Grandma would never put stipulations on it).  Are there such things as college savings accounts that ONLY let you withdraw the money YOU put in if it's going to a valid college?

I'm sorry this is so long. I don't want to accuse my dad of something he's not doing, but it sounds SOOOOO fishy to me and I don't want my brother screwed over the way that I was.

Re: UPDATED: If you know about money/investing, please come here.

  • LetsHikeTodayLetsHikeToday member
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    edited April 2012
    Is your grandma still alive? 

    Edit: I'm sorry if I missed that part in the past. But I'm assuming not. Did she leave a will for her money or was it transfered to your dad for your brother for when he needed it?
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  • The money could have been in a 529 plan. Withdrawals from tose are only for qualified school expenses this includes books, tuition, room and board. Not sure if there are stipulations on the type of school.

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  • Hike, yes.  She does not know he stole it from me, so investigating will raise her suspicions.. and I don't want to out my dad to her, especially if he's not being shady this time.

    The othre thing that worries me is my Grandma insinuated to me a couple years ago that all of our money was in the same place (she had apologized that it decreased for all of us whenthe market started to go down).  If it all came from the same place, then my dad is for sure lying. 
  • I only read the CN, but yup. It's not your bank puting stipulations on it either, from what I understand. It's the government (for tax break reasons, etc.)

    My grandparents set up a trust that we can only use for education-related purposes.
  • Okay, so I edit my post above again.

    You don't want to ask her because it would raise her suspicions. Hm, was your money given to your dad by your grandma for when you wanted it? So your dad has possession?
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  • oh. I just read the whole thing. Either your dad is full of shiit or he commited fraud of some kind before when he cashed your check.
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    [QUOTE]oh. I just read the whole thing. Either your dad is full of shiit or he commited fraud of some kind before when he cashed your check.
    Posted by Steph+J[/QUOTE]
    yep, this is what I was thinking, too. 
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    [QUOTE]oh. I just read the whole thing. Either your dad is full of shiit or he commited fraud of some kind before when he cashed your check.
    Posted by Steph+J[/QUOTE]

    <div>Yeah. My thoughts too. Because with YOUR money, he was able to get it and not use it towards education- paying his own bills. So either, he's lying now and there is no money or he got your money in a shady way.</div>
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  • This sounds incredibly fishy to me, especially if you didn't have to provide any information on your school.

    Is it possible to call your Grandmother and casually bring up your brother studying abroad and mention it?
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  • Why does he have to go through your dad?  Doesn't grandma hold it?  She wrote your dad the check for yours the first time, right?
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  • I think your brother should talk to your grandma. What would be the harm in telling her he wants to study abroad and ask her if they money would be able to go towards that?
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    [QUOTE]This sounds incredibly fishy to me, especially if you didn't have to provide any information on your school.<strong> Is it possible to call your Grandmother and casually bring up your brother studying abroad and mention it?</strong>
    Posted by brandichamberlain[/QUOTE]

    I'm considering this heavily.  Somehow bring it up in such a way that is more conversational than investigative.

    Yeah Hike, when I was supposed to get the money, grandma wrote the check to Dad who then was supposed to write the check to me or the school (idk why she made him a middle man.. i'm sure he talked her into it).  That's why this feels so weird.

    I also have a cousin who is a freshman in college this year.  I know he could keep this all to himself, so I'm also hemming and hawing about asking him if he got his money yet (and if so, how he got it).
  • If it is in a 529 plan it could only be spent on a qualifying school.  Your dad couldn't have spent it on his own bills, nor could you have paid off your credit card with it.

    According to THIS website, there are 354 foreign schools that qualify.  You can search further to determine if the place in Vienna qualifies.

    Also, depending on the amount in question, your brother and grandmother may need to consider the gift tax and generation skipping transfer tax ramifications of him receiving his money as a lump sum. 
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: If you know about money/investing, please come here. : I'm considering this heavily.  Somehow bring it up in such a way that is more conversational than investigative. Yeah Hike, when I was supposed to get the money, grandma wrote the check to Dad who then was supposed to write the check to me or the school <strong>(idk why she made him a middle man</strong>.. i'm sure he talked her into it).  That's why this feels so weird. I also have a cousin who is a freshman in college this year.  I know he could keep this all to himself, so I'm also hemming and hawing about asking him if he got his money yet (and if so, how he got it).
    Posted by chelseamb11[/QUOTE]

    Again, depending on the amount, this could have to do with generation skipping tax.
  • Would it be possible to address it in a roundabout way with your grandmother and phrase the questions as more general investing questions? You could approach it as more of a "I want to educate myself on different ways of saving and investing for myself and my future family, can you explain the pros and cons of what you chose to do?" This would let you get some answers for further research if necessary for this particular situation and not "out" your dad.
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    [QUOTE]Would it be possible to address it in a roundabout way with your grandmother and phrase the questions as more general investing questions? You could approach it as more of a "I want to educate myself on different ways of saving and investing for myself and my future family, can you explain the pros and cons of what you chose to do?" This would let you get some answers for further research if necessary for this particular situation and not "out" your dad.
    Posted by Jenni8412[/QUOTE]

    Oooh that's a really good idea.  I can ask her how she went about it (what type of account) and that would answer my question right there.
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    [QUOTE]Why does he have to go through your dad?  Doesn't grandma hold it?  She wrote your dad the check for yours the first time, right?
    Posted by andrea2473[/QUOTE]


    This is my thought exactly.  It's grandma's money, she's still alive so there is really no reason for your dad to be putting his hand in the cookie jar all the time.  It's not his fucking money, he has no business fucking around with it.

    Your dad is kind of a tool, chels my love.
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  • Talked to grandma. I was able to nonchalantly put it into the conversation.  I totally forgot that she signed over all of her financial rights to my dad and two uncles last yaer, so my DAD is the one controlling our college funds (as each uncle is for their own kids too).  Based on what my Dad told Grandma, the check needs to go direcly to the school with no middle man.  Which isn't wha happend with my check.  My money was from the same account as the other grandkids.
    SO either
    A) he committed fraud two years ago w/ my check
    or
    B) he's lying about the stipulations of the trust, and he's just able to take money in and out as he pleases because he's the benificiary of the one for his three kids.

    Both options make me sick to my stomach.  Ugh.  I personally think it's B though.  It'd be hard to cash a check that has the name of a university on it.
  • That really sucks.  I hope it works out for your brother.
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  • Where I work there is either a trust set up or a college savings/cd type of plan. WIth the college plan they are only supposed to withdraw for specific college type expenses BUT it is not up to our bank to track what they are actually spending it on. The Trust situation would completely depend on how it was set up, what the state stipulations are (if any) and how it was titled/who the account owners are. Unfortunately, it sounds like your Dad might be doing something fishy Frown Like others mentioned, money makes people crazy! I hope it all works out for you!
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