July 2012 Weddings

I need some FMIL advice badly

I suppose I could post this in the WTF thread, but this is going to be long (sorry) and I didn't want it to take up space there. A little background on FMIL:

She's been married and divorced twice. First divorce was to FI's dad over 10 years ago because he cheated on her with a woman 17 years younger than him and then left her. She's super jaded about it and so bitter and still hasn't gotten over it. She hates him and his wife.

She lives alone and doesn't have a friend in the world. Her dogs are her children, company, everything. She's cut herself off from all her old coworker friends, doesn't keep in touch with her family except her mother who lives 3 hours away. Basically she's a hippie hermit that is miserable and hates her life.

She HATES that her son is getting married. Not just to me, but to anyone. I'm not kidding, and it is blatently obvious. All she has done is complain about everything WR. She hates our venue the most, which makes no sense to anyone. We're getting married on this farm with beautiful gardens everywhere, and the woman loves to garden. Her complaints: it's too hot, too far away (half hr for her), and too over the top. WTF.

Fast forward to my shower this weekend. My aunts came up with this game where every guest gets a note card to write their advice to me about love and marriage. I get a card back that says "don't cheat on your spouse," unsigned. I show it to FI later and he confirms that it's his mom's handwriting. She also complained and refused to participate in another shower game that was essentially a roast of me, but she somehow turned it around and said it made her son look silly. Who knows.

So I need help. Or maybe I needed to vent. We have no relationship whatsoever right now, and her behavior is getting worse the closer we get to July 7th.
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  • Sadly I think the only thing you can do is kill her with kindness.  Just continue to try and include her in things and smile when you are around her (I am sure that is MUCH harder to actually do). 

    But you wont change her mind about marriage except by showing her over the years that you and FI are happy together.  Hopefully as the years go on that will make her come around some but I think the only thing for you to do is Vent to us here and keep a smile on your face.  If you do ever have something that is a major issue discuss it with FI and let him be the one to handle it.
  • edited May 2012
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    [QUOTE]I suppose I could post this in the WTF thread, but this is going to be long (sorry) and I didn't want it to take up space there. A little background on FMIL: She's been married and divorced twice. First divorce was to FI's dad over 10 years ago because he cheated on her with a woman 17 years younger than him and then left her. She's super jaded about it and so bitter and still hasn't gotten over it. She hates him and his wife. She lives alone and doesn't have a friend in the world. Her dogs are her children, company, everything. She's cut herself off from all her old coworker friends, doesn't keep in touch with her family except her mother who lives 3 hours away. Basically she's a hippie hermit that is miserable and hates her life. She HATES that her son is getting married. Not just to me, but to anyone. I'm not kidding, and it is blatently obvious. All she has done is complain about everything WR. She hates our venue the most, which makes no sense to anyone. We're getting married on this farm with beautiful gardens everywhere, and the woman loves to garden. Her complaints: it's too hot, too far away (half hr for her), and too over the top. WTF. Fast forward to my shower this weekend. My aunts came up with this game where every guest gets a note card to write their advice to me about love and marriage. <strong>I get a card back that says "don't cheat on your spouse," unsigned.</strong>I show it to FI later and he confirms that it's his mom's handwriting. She also complained and refused to participate in another shower game that was essentially a roast of me, but she somehow turned it around and said it made her son look silly. Who knows. So I need help. Or maybe I needed to vent. We have no relationship whatsoever right now, and her behavior is getting worse the closer we get to July 7th.
    Posted by ceglare4[/QUOTE]

    That is so messed up!!  She just sounds like she is a very bitter person.  My grandfather cheated on my grandmother with his secretary and left my grandmother for her.  They ended up getting married.  My grandmother never got remarried.  She was very bitter as well but just towards him.  She was the best grandmother in the world.  I guess my point is that you can either be bitter forever or change your life around.  It sounds like she is jealous of your relationship with her son and she probably feels like she is losing him to you. 

    Do you have to see her often?  Does she live close to you guys?  I would have your FI say something to her about that note card and just say mom that was really messed up.  This is such a happy time in our lives and I feel like all you are doing is trying to bring it down. 

    My father is acting the same way towards us not excited at all and is just being a pain in my as*.  I am learning that I just need to let it go.  I am not going to let 1 person ruin my wedding day.  Just try to ignore her and don't take it personally even though I am sure it is hard not to but it is not you. 
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  • I kind know how you feel sort of. My FMIL isn't as bad as that but she has told me over and over again especially within the last 2 weeks pretty much everytime I see her that I am taking her son away from her. I feel like telling her Listen lady you have 2 other kids! ugh.

    Maybe your FMIL is going through Empty Nest Syndrom and she is doing the things that she is, or maybe she is just one of those people who need all the attention to them no matter how good or bad, or maybe she just hates seeing everyone happy because she never got that opportunity to.

    Hang in there, I hope it gets better.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to I need some FMIL advice badly : That is so messed up!!  She just sounds like she is a very bitter person.  My grandfather cheated on my grandmother with his secretary and left my grandmother for her.  They ended up getting married.  My grandmother never got remarried.  She was very bitter as well but just towards him.  She was the best grandmother in the world.  I guess my point is that you can either be bitter forever or change your life around.<strong>  It sounds like she is jealous of your relationship with her son and she probably feels like she is losing him to you.  Do you have to see her often?  Does she live close to you guys?  I would have your FI say something to her about that note card and just say mom that was really messed up. </strong> This is such a happy time in our lives and I feel like all you are doing is trying to bring it down.  My father is acting the same way towards us not excited at all and is just being a pain in my as*.  I am learning that I just need to let it go.  I am not going to let 1 person ruin my wedding day.  Just try to ignore her and don't take it personally even though I am sure it is hard not to but it is not you. 
    Posted by LADY324[/QUOTE]

    I think she is definitely jealous of me marrying her son, because I'm "taking him away from her." But he hardly sees her right now! She calls him allllll the time though, for the dumbest things. And she is always asking him to take care of stuff that she can and should be doing on her own. Her dependence on him and the fact that she is jealous grosses me out.

    We live in the same city but I can count on one hand how many times I've seen her in the past year. Her house is atrocious, she lets her dogs do whatever they want there. And I mean whatever. She doesn't keep the house clean at all, and it's just gross. I refuse to go over there. And she never leaves the house.
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    I agree kindness is the best approach. Also, in her mind she feels she is losing a son. Try and show her that she is gaining a daughter. Do you live close enough to her that you can bring food over and just talk over a glass of wine?

    At first my FMIL didn't want my FI to marry me. She felt he should marry someone from their country not an American. You can only imagine the uphill battle I had with that one. I had to slowly show her that I'm not the stereo type she made up in her mind. I called her just to say hello. I asked her how to cook certain foods that FI loved. I went to her house to sit and talk. You don't have to be her door mat, but it will take effort on your part to show her that this marriage is an asset to her too.

    Now my FMIL tells me she loves me and is so proud of us.

    ETA: I just read that her house is nasty with dog stuff, NM, I wouldn't go over their either.
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  • That sucks. I would not want to be around people like that.

    You say you don't really see her much so I wouldn't worry about it too much. Just be kind to her (I agree with the PPs) and let things she say slide. Just remember it is not about YOU, but it's all about the issues she has with divorces, being bitter herself, etc.
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  • I think you nailed it on the head when you said she's miserable and hates her life. She is letting her failed marriage define her life. And unfortunately, she's letting it affect her relationship with you. I'd just be cordial and try to include her in your (you & FI) lives as best you can. If she is bringing you guys down, I'd distance yourself a bit. How does your FI handle all this?

    And what she wrote on your card at the shower was extremely immature. At least she could sign her damn name and own up to it. At any rate, I don't think that she means it as a personal attack to you, but it's more so her jaded outlook on love and marriage.
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    [QUOTE]I think you nailed it on the head when you said she's miserable and hates her life. She is letting her failed marriage define her life. And unfortunately, she's letting it affect her relationship with you. I'd just be cordial and try to include her in your (you & FI) lives as best you can. If she is bringing you guys down, I'd distance yourself a bit.<strong> How does your FI handle all this? </strong>And what she wrote on your card at the shower was extremely immature. At least she could sign her damn name and own up to it. <strong>At any rate, I don't think that she means it as a personal attack to you, but it's more so her jaded outlook on love and marriage</strong>.
    Posted by mbody[/QUOTE]

    He hates the way she acts about this. I feel bad for him that he has her for a mother, because she just brings everthing down. He tells me that every conversation they have lately involves her complaining about work and how stupid her coworkers are.

    And I totally agree with the last sentence, but it still frustrates me that she can't just grow up, set her own feelings aside, and be positive for once in her life.
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  • ummmmmmmm I cannot believe she did that (re: the unsigned card).

    Totally agree with the others. Kindness is the best approach. Don't cut her out completely, but don't make over the top efforts to spend time with her. When you do see her, be nice, cordial, and interested in her.  Don't give her any more reasons to hate you (or to hate your marriage).

    You have done nothing wrong - all of her issues are about HER, and her life.  Hopefully she will realize she is the one acting immature and shape up before your wedding. 
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: I need some FMIL advice badly : <strong>I think she is definitely jealous of me marrying her son, because I'm "taking him away from her."</strong> But he hardly sees her right now! She calls him allllll the time though, for the dumbest things. And she is always asking him to take care of stuff that she can and should be doing on her own. Her dependence on him and the fact that she is jealous grosses me out. We live in the same city but I can count on one hand how many times I've seen her in the past year. Her house is atrocious, she lets her dogs do whatever they want there. And I mean whatever. She doesn't keep the house clean at all, and it's just gross. I refuse to go over there. And she never leaves the house.
    Posted by ceglare4[/QUOTE]

    I think your FMIL, should meet my FMIL and they can have a bitch feast. :)
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: I need some FMIL advice badly : I think she is definitely jealous of me marrying her son, because I'm "taking him away from her." But he hardly sees her right now! She calls him allllll the time though, for the dumbest things. And she is always asking him to take care of stuff that she can and should be doing on her own. Her dependence on him and the fact that she is jealous grosses me out.<strong> We live in the same city but I can count on one hand how many times I've seen her in the past year.</strong> Her house is atrocious, she lets her dogs do whatever they want there. And I mean whatever. She doesn't keep the house clean at all, and it's just gross. I refuse to go over there. And she never leaves the house.
    Posted by ceglare4[/QUOTE]

    Then I would really just try to deal with her as best as you can.  Luckily this is not someone you have to see often or even talk too.  I just feel bad for your FI that she always calls him and tries to make him do things for her. 

    By the way I picture her house to be on Hoarders the way you describe it.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: I need some FMIL advice badly : Then I would really just try to deal with her as best as you can.  Luckily this is not someone you have to see often or even talk too.  I just feel bad for your FI that she always calls him and tries to make him do things for her.  <strong>By the way I picture her house to be on Hoarders the way you describe it.</strong>
    Posted by LADY324[/QUOTE]

    HAHA! It is bad, and she totally is a hoarder/pack rat. There are piles of papers probably older than me in that house. It's a shame. She's let the whole house go basically because she gives the dogs free reign. I dread the day she either moves or dies because we will be the ones that have to go through that whole mess.
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  • Has your FI ever approached her about his feelings? Like had a sit down, come to Jesus talk? Perhaps she's unaware at how miserable she's become and how it's affecting the rest of her family?
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    [QUOTE]Has your FI ever approached her about his feelings? Like had a sit down, come to Jesus talk? Perhaps she's unaware at how miserable she's become and how it's affecting the rest of her family?
    Posted by mbody[/QUOTE]

    FI has talked to her about her life in passing when she's brought it up. About how unhappy she is and whatnot. But he hasn't really talked to her about us getting married, or her behavior as of late. He said he is going to though.

    Her mother (FI's gma) on the other hand, is seriously the sweetest, nicest old lady in the whole world. I have no idea how she birthed FI's mom. Anyway, she actually talked to her after the shower about her behavior and warned that we're going to stop talking to her if she doesn't shape up. She doesn't like the way her daughter acts any more than anyone else does.
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  • Well I'm glad her mother realizes everything that's going on and is willing to talk with his mom. It always helps to have Grandma in your corner!
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    [QUOTE]Well I'm glad her mother realizes everything that's going on and is willing to talk with his mom. It always helps to have Grandma in your corner!
    Posted by mbody[/QUOTE]

    I know! I love her, I wish she lived closer to us. I feel bad for her too because she is just so different from FI's mom, and they don't get along all that well because of it. FI's mom is just so, difficult I would say is the right word.
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    Ugh, ceglare, I'm so sorry! I don't have anything constructive to add except that it sounds like she's deeply depressed (in the clinical sense) so unless SHE wants to change her behavior, I think being cordial with her is the best thing you can do. It's a shame she's being like this, but I agree - it's impossible to make someone want to be a pleasant person. It's totally not you, as you know. I think you're doing what you can.
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  • I'm late to the game here and don't have much more to add that hasn't already been said.

    What's with creepy mother-son attachments?  I feel like it's always worse than father-daughter attachments.  Gross.

    Sounds like she just needs some time to sort her sh*t out... don't take that burden on yourself.
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    I don't have anything to add either-I'd like to believe if I were in your shoes, I would try to be nice towards her and not complain to FI about her, BUT definitely share my concerns. Have FI and her mom tried to get her help? Maybe she is depressed or has anxiety issues? I hope for your sake that she learns to accept you over the years...especially if you guys have a family. 

    I am so fortunate that I LOVE my FMIL. We are very close. She definitely dotes on FI (only child, we live in the same same county) and relies on him for a lot of tasks that she should be able to handle herself (changing lightbulbs for example...). And I will admit at times I get annoyed when she blows up his phone on his only day off because her computer isn't working properly...But I also know she really has no one else, and I admire FI for his patience and loyalty to his mom. FFIL cheated on her and left her for pregnant mistress, and while I know she blames the mistress, she has nothing but wonderful things to say about her ex and FI always had a good relationship with his father. I guess we all handle things differently. 
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  • <3 hugs!  don't let anyone ruin your day =)  Have a main person to deal with the bullsh&t that may happen that day...I've got my stepdad & his friend who happens to head the security at the venue!
  • edited May 2012
    She sounds EXACTLY like my exs mother. Her husband passed away but the world became her enemy afterwards. She claims she cant travel out of certain boundries because of her anxiety, has NO friends and i mean NO friends. Heavy chain smoker and does nothing for a living. She hated the fact that her son was happy with me and did everything she could do to stop our relationship. We ended on our own terms and we still communicate and probably always will. I ran into my exs brother and sil over the weekend at a mutal friends bday parties. We got to talking about his mother and he said she is still the same hermit and she will never change. She had 3 sons. Hated the first sons wife, and at the 2nd sons wedding I sat next to her and after they said their I DOs she seriously said.. I GIVE IT 2 MONTHS!! Mind you they had been together for almost 4 years at that point and are still married almost 10 years later. Her 3rd son was my ex. She also felt like I was taking her son away. She felt like she had nobody since all her sons were in serious relationships and her husband passed away. 

    As for her writing what she did on the card I dont know how you didnt go off on her. I would have seriously ripped her a new one. She needs to get it through her head that she cant act this way towards you and to get over herself! 
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