Election Day!

Calypso1977 · November 2012

So what are all the hot topics in your various states?

Here in MA, i had to vote on 3 questions. Question 1 was something to do with cars and people being allowed to received diagnostics and info so that they can have their car serviced somewhere other than the dealership. I sort of didnt get the question to be honest. LOL

Question 2 was the Assisted Suicide question which would basically allow people with 6 months or less to live to get a prescription for a lethal dose of pills that they could then take home and ingest whenever they chose to do so, no physician needed to be present.

Question 3 was to legalize medicinal marijuana.

My predictions: Q1 will pass, Q2 will fail (but be close), and Q3 will pass.

lalaith50 · November 2012

good grief. Do doctor's even TAKE the Socratic Oath anymore?

Calypso1977 · November 2012

its a pretty ugly bill. even people that are in favor of assisted suicide are not happy with this bill.

we have a huge epidemic in this country with kids abusing their parents prescription drugs. can you imagine if this bottle got into the hands of a teen?

bibliophile2010 · November 2012

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[QUOTE]good grief. Do doctor's even TAKE the Socratic Oath anymore?
Posted by lalaith50[/QUOTE]

Actually, many do not. Many take a modified version that eliminates the "problematic" parts that would reflect abortion and euthanasia. Some take various other oaths. Some don't ever take an oath at all. Very sad.

Here in Arizona, home of initiative, referendum and recall, we have 10 ballot propositions. Some more interesting ones deal with a tax on education funding, how primary elections operate, and how judges are appointed. We also have to vote to retain I don't know how many judges -- my "cheat sheat" only lists the ones I plan to vote no on.

True story: Arizona became a state in 1912. It would have happened sooner (like 1910), but the first draft of our state constitution included initiative, referendum and recall. These were rejected by Congress, and we had to remove them to be accepted for statehood. State leaders did so. We became a state on Feb. 14, 1912, and the first thing the state did was amend the state constitution to include initiative, referendum and recall.

Calypso1977 · November 2012

i freakin' love Arizona.

professorscience · November 2012

My watch was about five minutes fast this morning, so I was standing in line to vote watching the time tick away and thinking I'd make it to school on time, only to get in my car and realize I was probably going to be late, so that was pretty fun.

We got a ton of work done around the house last night, but we failed to do one of the big things, which was move our table and buffet out of the dining room, because ILs are coming Thursday and bringing us new dining room furniture. Whoops. =(

GoodLuckBear14 · November 2012

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[QUOTE]good grief. Do doctor's even TAKE the Socratic Oath anymore?
Posted by lalaith50[/QUOTE]

They never did. They do however take the Hippocratic Oath.

erin5286 · November 2012

I didn't pay nearly enough attention to everything, and now I'm feeling pretty guilty about it. I have such a hard time getting into politics and understanding what the issues are and what approach is better, but now I wish I'd tried harder to research things so I could make an informed decision.

shawna127 · November 2012

H and I voted last weekend, I usually do absentee ballot. Our big issues here in Montana are:

1)Should parental consent be required for a minor (<16) to obtain an abortion?

2)Should illegal aliens be able to recieve government money/be on government programs (i.e. financial aid, unemployment, etc.)

I know how I voted, but I'm not sure how the rest of MT (or the rest of the country for that matter) will vote. Honestly, I am losing all faith in humanity what with all the abortion and euthanasia talk.

Resa77 · November 2012

The scary thing to me, in terms of abortion, is something I was considering yesterday. "Pro-life" candidates are more and more resembling pro-choice. It's becoming harder to vote for a pro-lifer. I can only imagine what it'll be like in 15 years...we'll be looking at someone as pro-abortion as Obama and considereing him the "pro-life" one. Our country, including pro-lifers, are becoming so comfortable with abortion that we consider pro-choicers to be pro-life

bibliophile2010 · November 2012

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[QUOTE]H and I voted last weekend, I usually do absentee ballot. Our big issues here in Montana are: 1)Should parental consent be required for a minor (<16) to obtain an abortion? 2)Should illegal aliens be able to recieve government money/be on government programs (i.e. financial aid, unemployment, etc.) I know how I voted, but I'm not sure how the rest of MT (or the rest of the country for that matter) will vote. <strong>Honestly, I am losing all faith in humanity what with all the abortion and euthanasia talk.</strong>
Posted by shawna127[/QUOTE]

Sadly, I think that euthanasia (and all the euphemisms for it), is going to be a growing problem in the pro-life arena.

Calypso1977 · November 2012

i simply dont understand how a child needs parental permission to receive an aspirin at school, but can get a major medical procedure done with no permission.

even if one is pro-choice, no child should EVER receive ANY medical treatment withouth parental consent.

Tami87 · November 2012

I voted early this morning. Got in line before 7am and got done around 7:30am.

The biggest issues on my ballot were question 6 and 7.

6) To allow gay and lesbians to obtain a civil marriage license while also "providing religious protections" This would mean "no religious entity may be required to provide services, accommodations, advantages, facilities, goods, or privileges if they are related to the celebration of a marriage that violates the entity’s religious beliefs or to the promotion of marriage through any social or religious programs or services, unless State or federal funds are received for that specific program or service, nor does a refusal to provide any create a civil claim or cause of action. Moreover, the State may not penalize, withhold benefits from, or discriminate against the entity because of the refusal."

7) Building a casino. There has been a ridiculous amount of tv ads about this one. Supposedly the money from the casino will go to education and create new jobs in the area. Of course as been seen in other states just because the money from the casino goes to schools, doesn't mean that the total amount allotted to schools increases.

erin5286 · November 2012

I forgot to mention, Minnesota is voting on a constitutional amendment to define marriage as one man, one woman. I don't live in MN so it's not something I'm voting on, but especially since I'm right on the MN/ND border, I'm definitely following that one closely to see what happens.

Resa77 · November 2012

It took my 24 minutes from the time I left my office to the time I left my polling place to cast my vote

I went at just the right time, apparently. We had a couple questions on our ballot, but neither were really hot button issues.

Chloeagh · November 2012

Yep, I'm in Minnesota. We have the constitutional amendment to define marriage as one man and one woman. Regardless of how they are voting, a lot of the Catholics in the state are very upset with how much money the archdiocese has spent getting involved in politics on this issue.

Our other constitutional amendment is to require a photo ID for voting. I don't really know what the motive of this admendment is. The claim is that it is to reduce voter fraud, but MN has virtually no instances of voter fraud that can be prevented by having a photo ID.

Personally I think neither of these things have a place in the constitution. Laws, sure, but not the constitution. No one has tried to hide that these are entirely political moves. For example, the man who got the marriage amendment on the ballot is voting "no." He just wanted to get it on there as a way to get republicans to the polls.

Calypso1977 · November 2012

For example, the man who got the marriage amendment on the ballot is voting "no." He just wanted to get it on there as a way to get republicans to the polls.

odd! i would think this would actually increase democrat turnout tho... i think more democrats really want gay marriage than there are republicans who oppose it.

MedStudent13 · November 2012

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[QUOTE]Yep, I'm in Minnesota. We have the constitutional amendment to define marriage as one man and one woman. Regardless of how they are voting, a lot of the Catholics in the state are very upset with how much money the archdiocese has spent getting involved in politics on this issue. Our other constitutional amendment is to require a photo ID for voting. I don't really know what the motive of this admendment is. The claim is that it is to reduce voter fraud,<strong> but MN has virtually no instances of voter fraud that can be prevented by having a photo ID</strong>. Personally I think neither of these things have a place in the constitution. Laws, sure, but not the constitution. No one has tried to hide that these are entirely political moves. For example, the man who got the marriage amendment on the ballot is voting "no." He just wanted to get it on there as a way to get republicans to the polls.
Posted by Chloeagh[/QUOTE]
I am personally amused when people cite this as a reason why we shouldn't have photo ID laws for voting. Sure there may not be many instances that are caught, but that doesn't mean that it never happens. I was an RA in college for two and a half years for freshmen, and during that time I only wrote up two people for underage drinking. It would be foolish for me to conclude then that underage drinking isn't a problem on college campuses, just that those two students were the ones stupid enough to get caught. Also, my uncle is running for reelection unopposed in Maryland because his opponent had to withdraw her candidacy after she was caught voting in both florida and maryland<div>With reguard to the marriage ammendment though I do think that it is odd that the Church supports any state intervention in marriage in the first place. </div>

Chloeagh · November 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Election Day! : I am personally amused when people cite this as a reason why we shouldn't have photo ID laws for voting. Sure there may not be many instances that are caught, but that doesn't mean that it never happens. I was an RA in college for two and a half years for freshmen, and during that time I only wrote up two people for underage drinking. It would be foolish for me to conclude then that underage drinking isn't a problem on college campuses, just that those two students were the ones stupid enough to get caught. Also, my uncle is running for reelection unopposed in Maryland because his opponent had to withdraw her candidacy after she was caught voting in both florida and maryland With reguard to the marriage ammendment though I do think that it is odd that the Church supports any state intervention in marriage in the first place.
Posted by MedStudent13[/QUOTE]
Well, a lot of people are saying that if high school and college students can get fake IDs to get alcohol, people who want to engage in voter fraud that way could do the same. Like I said, I don't know much about it. But you said voter ID LAWS and that's my point. I don't mind voter ID laws, but what is the angle for getting it into the constitution? This really has no place in the constitution, in my opinion, regardless if voter fraud is an issue or not.

shawna127 · November 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Election Day! : Well, a lot of people are saying that if high school and college students can get fake IDs to get alcohol, people who want to engage in voter fraud that way could do the same. Like I said, I don't know much about it. But you said voter ID LAWS and that's my point. I don't mind voter ID laws, but what is the angle for getting it into the constitution? This really has no place in the constitution, in my opinion, regardless if voter fraud is an issue or not.
Posted by Chloeagh[/QUOTE]
The thing with laws like this and gun control can be explained with this saying: "It only keeps the honest people honest." In other words, if they want to cheat the system with voter fraud it doesn't matter what law is in place, they will do it unfortunately. Same thing with gun control, I own several weapons and all the laws in place aren't stopping me from killing anyone, my moral values stop me from killing someone.

Calypso1977 · November 2012

a kid (or anyone) could still get a fake ID to vote now, for the sole purpose of registering. then once you show up on the voter list you are golden as you dont have to do anythign furhter unless you move away. and even then you could move and still vote where you are registered.

college kids should vote in their legal residence, IMO, not where they attend school. i dont think its right that college kids vote on local issues that impact the tax paying residents that will be there long after the kids graduate and move on. they arent vested in the community, as a general rule.

lalaith50 · November 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Election Day! : They never did. They do however take the Hippocratic Oath.
Posted by GoodLuckBear14[/QUOTE]
LOL! (I feel so dumb...)

Resa77 · November 2012

Calypso, tha'ts a tricky one. By "local" issues, do you mean state issues, or county issues?

Kamakanani · November 2012

I think one of the bigger issues that was on the ballot here (but didn't get the media attention it could/should have) was Prop 34, which, if it passes, ends the death penalty. Any convicted felons sitting on death row would have their sentence changed to life without parole. There was also a proposition regarding strengthening the consequences for human trafficking.

Calypso1977 · November 2012

well, here in new england, we dont have county government. its all about local issues and control, and in the springtime we have a wonderful and odd thing known as Town Meeting.

so some local examples would be a Prop 2 1/2 override for property taxes. bond articles for expenditures like major paving, turf fields, buildings, etc. elections for Mayor, Selectmen.

state would be election of state congressional/house reps who would then be making laws for the residents of that state/district.

MedStudent13 · November 2012

The reason for voter ID laws/amendments is not to stop people registering to vote with fake IDs, the issue is that without a photo ID you can take anyones voter registration card and vote for them the day of the election. For example, in my state all you need is a sheet of paper with your name on it, it can be your voter registration card, a water/electric bill, a consealed weapons permit, etc., and you are allowed to cast a ballot. Couple that with the fact that they send out the voter registration cards every six months or so and you are making it reaaaaaally easy for someone to pick up an old regustration card and beat you to the polls.

As far as it being a law instead of a constitutional ammendment, I think that it probably has to do with whether or not it is easier to get a law passed or an ammendment. If there majority of a state's legislature is currently republican but the governor is democrat he would be likely to veto a votor ID bill, whereas constitutional ammendments to state constitutions are typically decided by majority vote

Coco1988 · November 2012

I am proudly voting in MN. In regards to Voter I.D.- will be happy to see this one pass-a lot of people I spoke to before this amendment came to light didn't even know you didn't have to have I.D. to vote.

The marriage amendment has been a heated issue and it has caused a lot of division amongst my family and friends. The diocese for this region has been very firm on their stance and I am proud of that and they have refused to be silenced in the face of ridicule and being called bigots. The priests I have heard speak on this issue have been extremely sensitive to families who struggle with how to vote on this issue. I am looking forward to the results and FI and I have spent many, many hours praying for God's will to be done during this election on a local and federal level.

Chloeagh · November 2012

Medstudent, I can definitely see how this is a political move, but I personally think our constitution, even of it's just a state constitution, deserves more respect than trying to get around a governor that the majority of our state elected. I also don't agree that on the state level only a simple majority is needed to amend the constitution, but that's a different conversation. Calypso, I totally agree with you. I voted absentee and I wouldn't have even known what to vote for if I voted at my school.

professorscience · November 2012

Considering that the gentleman running the polling station tried to check me off as a woman with ALMOST the same name as I (and then argued with me when I said, "Wait, that's not me"), I'm not sure photo IDs will do as much good as people think.

MedStudent13 · November 2012

Yeah, what really cracks me up in VA though, is that you hand them your voter registration card (which has your name and address on it) and they ask you what your name and address is. Like that is supposed to be some sort of proof of identification...

also: http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/11/06/foreign_election_officials_amazed_by_trust_based_us_voting_system

professorscience · November 2012

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[QUOTE]Yeah, what really cracks me up in VA though, is that you hand them your voter registration card (which has your name and address on it) and they ask you what your name and address is. Like that is supposed to be some sort of proof of identification...
Posted by MedStudent13[/QUOTE]

<div>Not that it's the same thing, but we used to do something similar when kids came for schedule pickup. They have to show proof that they live in the district, so they bring in a current utility bill. Most of the time I take the bill and then make the kid recite his address, both to prove that he's being honest and because by high school, you should definitely know your address.</div>

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