October 2012 Weddings

Long and very personal, but I really need some unbiased advice.

Ladies, I need some advice about something that is hard to talk about with people I know. Please be frank, I feel like I need a shove in the right direction.

I (and my twin) am the youngest of five, the oldest being only four years ahead of me so we're fairly close. My problem is with my oldest brother -- in my mind, I am not inviting him to the wedding. For the record, my FI is 100% in line with however I want to handle this.

For background info, he is not right in the head. He has some sort of personality disorder, but not something that isn't overcomeable. He is very selfish and rude. At every family occasion, he segregates himself and his wife and when he is around other people he puts most of his energy into insulting people. He has moments when he can be sweet, but they are few and far between. He is very emotionally abusive, especially towards his wife.

But this is the worst thing he has ever said to me and I am having such a hard time getting past it. I haven't spoken to him since early June of this year. We were at a family gathering and there was an incident where I lobbed an empty pop bottle at him and hit him in the face by accident. I was immediately apologetic but he flipped out, charged over and hit me in the mouth with it, then told me if I ever hit him again he was going to "f%&*ing stab me". I won't tell you what I called him, but it would make most people cringe. Starts with a c. I left and went for a walk. I was devastated. My FI was not there -- that never would have happened if he was. My brother and I haven't spoken since.

So this is my crossroads I am at. Half of me thinks that I need to do the mature thing and forget it. Invite him but not necessarily speak to him. At least that way, I will still be in contact with his daughter (my only niece, she's only four months old). But on the other hand, I just feel like that's how anyone and everyone has always handled him and we're not getting anywhere. I feel like maybe not coming to my wedding will get through to him. Maybe. But probably not.

The wedding is two months away, if you made it this far in my post, thank you. I really, really need some advice. Please be honest, what would you do?

ETA: Regarding my niece, I know when there is a child involved that changes things. But the reason he had a baby was to have a bargaining chip. They tried and became pregnant before their wedding because they wanted to beat my oldest sister (oldest of us all, one year above him, married for four years now and TTC for three years) to the punch and give the first grandchild. So that makes me even more torn, that my niece is being used like that.
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Re: Long and very personal, but I really need some unbiased advice.

  • My first reaction would be to say don't invite him, however, since starting this wedding planning thing I have realized that whether you want to or not you have to worry about what other people think. How would your family feel about it? Will they stand behind you or will they start boycotting your wedding in protest? If it will cause issues with more than just your brother then I would consider inviting him. If your family supports you then don't invite him.
    I'm assuming there would be no sitting down and reasoning with him, apologizing again, etc....
  • I'm curious, has he ever been diagnosed with anything?  Has anyone ever tried to get him help or is it one of those things that the family thinks that if they don't talk about it, it will go away?  I have an older cousin who came back from Vietnam totally messed up.  The family ignored it for years until he harmed my Aunt (his mother).  She had a stroke and was bedridden for years, to make it worse if that's even possible and it was during that time it had happened.

    I, personally, would not invite him.  I don't care if its family or not.  You are setting yourself up to be hurt and upset on your wedding day.  I also would be concerned for the guests if he has a problem in a social situation.  You really need not feel guilty about not having him there.

    I totally on your side on this one.  Oh and the potty-mouth doesn't make me cringe...I'm guilty as charged on that one!

    I really, really feel bad for the wife and especially that baby.
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  • dont invite..he is emotionally unstable and unpredictable.  you wouldnt want your wedding day to be ruined.  and if family has an issue with it, then they are in denial of his mental status and should seek help too.
  • I personally would not invite him.. from what you're saying about him it seems that he probably wouldn't really care if he was invited or not. My brother is sort of like that, we've never gotten along always fight.. he has issues himself and I hate when people (my mom) uses it as an excuse.. I'm sorry he has issues but that's no excuse to not act like a freaking human being.

    I am in awe that he hit you with a bottle.. the more I think about it the more angry I get for you.. don't invite him.. it's your wedding! But I would ask what your parents and other siblings think about it too. Because you wouldn't want to hurt your relationship with everyone else over it  :( what a crappy situation! 

    Let us know what you decide!!
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  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-club-boards_october-2012-weddings_long-and-very-personal-but-i-really-need-some-unbiased-advice?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20Club%20BoardsForum:56b9bcef-1e34-456e-81f5-cfaa107456b2Discussion:085ab81e-0209-4089-abda-1a810fb73fe1Post:02ca4e8f-4439-4a20-9d7f-537f5e89db28">Long and very personal, but I really need some unbiased advice.</a>:
    [QUOTE] The wedding is two months away, if you made it this far in my post, thank you. I really, really need some advice. Please be honest, what would you do? 
    Posted by Jasperk23[/QUOTE]<div>
    </div><div>A couple of things, did he actually say he was having a baby to spite his older sister who had been TTC for three years, or did it just come across that way? IMO, it was probably an accident, and he doesn't want to admit it that way. I doubt when he found out his DW was pregnant he said "Score! First grandchild!" </div><div>
    </div><div>It sounds like there is a lot of background here. However, I shy away from drama and negative people. I would not invite your brother or his family, but you should be prepared for the negative backlash (from your other family? from him & his wife?) that might occur at other family events in the future. Typically, it's very bad form not to invite all your immeadiate family. And from what you've said above, your brother sounds like he WILL hold a grudge for a VERY long time. </div><div>
    </div><div>OTOH, if you are having a large wedding, it might be possible to invite him and he will just get lost in the rest of the crowd. Or, he might decline the invitation anyway. </div><div>
    </div><div>Good luck! </div><div>
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  • I am a people pleaser at heart, so I understand wanting to get beyond it, particularly for your niece. However, he it you...intentionally. To me that is an unforgivable sin. For that reason alone, he would not be invited and I would not speak to him until he offered an apology. What you did was obviously an accident.
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  • We've always known there was something wrong with him, but we don't talk about it. They suspected Asperger's when he was little but I really don't think that fits.

    And yes, before they became pregnant they said on a few occasions "We've gotta have a kid and beat [my sister]."

    I've been the only one to ever stand up to him. Also, I was at a baby shower an hour ago for a gal I worked with as a hairdresser (I changed jobs in June) and found out he went in there for a haircut (even though I've always cut his hair here) and told my former co-worker who he doesn't know that we weren't speaking. So it's not like he's oblivious of the situation. But yet, he's always calling my FI to help him with things around the house. FI doesn't return his calls, we only know why he was calling because he then calls my twin and complains about FI not answering his phone.

    It's just such an F'd up situation. I really, in my heart, don't want him or his wife there. Did I mention that the reason I lobbed the bottle towards him in the first place is because he was calling his wife stupid?

    I think the thing I'm most afraid of is every family function in the future being disjointed because he's not welcome in my house and vice versa. But to be fair, I'm closer to FI's family anyway. But I love mine. I'm just so sad that things have to be this way, and no matter what I do, I lose.
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  • Sounds like your family functions are already disjointed. I think you want somebody to tell you it is ok not to have your brother there and there is a whole bunch of us who are saying that. So make peace with it and move on. It sounds like you will get support and most people will understand.
  • If you are close the rest of your siblings...ask them! 

    IMO if he was abusive...physically or mentally...don't invite him.  However, there is always a point where you just need to forgive.  My mother was very abusive when I was a child(since then got help but even so I won't go over with out my FI! Our relationship has improved a lot!  I'm just smart about spending my time with her.)  Family will always be family.  If your other siblings will support your decision and it won't upset your parents...don't invite him!
  • He was publicly physically and verbally abusive to you. You do not invite people that are physically and verbally abusive into your life. Just because they're family, doesn't mean you put up with it. Don't invite him. Anyone that has a problem with that also doesn't deserve to be in your life. To capitulate tells him his behavior is ok, and it most certainly is not. You know what to do. Stand your ground.
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  • some things that may help:

    do the Landmark Forum- only a weekend long, will give you some perspective, esp with dealing with challenging family situations!! Can't speak highly enough about it. 

    find your local NAMI chapter, National Association of Mental Illness, or even Al anon- really helps with detatchment in a healthy way, even towards loved ones. You have a right to be happy and at peace. It's not your fault, it's not your job to fix it all. Follow your heart and do what's best for you and your Hub-to-be, it's about you two right now. 
  • For the safety of your guests, if nothing else, I would not invite him.  It's passed the point of being about civility and family ties--things have gotten violent.  Enjoy your day and then maybe tackle the issue of getting him the help he so desperately needs.  Let your SIL know of local women's shelters, if you feel she is really in danger. 
  • I have a family member similar to yours (my uncle). I know he will say something that could potentially strain my relationship with my future in laws (uncle has no filter and makes it a habit to say the wrong thing at the wrong time and he trys to turn everything about him and will throw a trantrum when its not all about him). I had no intention of inviting him but I was informed that I had to invite him. He has been informed over and over again to not say anything because my new family will not recieve him well. Hopefully he gets the hint. What I'm really hoping for is that he forgets my wedding or just doesnt show. (I can hope right?)
    Maybe you need to inform your family that someone needs to say something to your brother that you want to make the day peaceful and about you and your fi. If your still concerned make sure someone in your family is willing to step in and difuse any situations. 
    Or if you really want to go the route my MOH did, anyone she didnt want there, she made the invite and mailed it the day before the wedding so they couldnt come (techincally they were invited, she could blame the Post office for them not getting the invite in time). The only issue is if someone says something and they realize they didnt get an invite it might cause tensions. 
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  • edited August 2012
    Thanks ladies...

    I have a lot of thinking to do. I am by no means a pushover but I'm still not sure what I will do. I'm going to take a drive out to my mom's and talk to her about it.

    I really do appreciate all the heartfelt advice.

    ETA: The funny thing is, I think now that I was hoping someone would tell me to take the high road... lol. So lost :(
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