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Newly engaged and family problems already (New to the Knot)

Hi There! I'm Denae, and my fiance and I just got engaged (12/12/12, seven years to the day of our first date - I got one that's better at anniversaries than I am!). I knew it was coming since we went ring shopping back in July together, but it was still a wonderful surprise and a perfect evening. I've spent the past week fielding all the "what are your plans?!?!?!" questions, am feeling wedding burnout already, and we haven't even set a date yet! Neither of us are interested in a huge wedding or anything fancy. Probably outdoor, cooler weather, absolute max of 50 people, if that. I'm also not one of those girls that has dreamed about her wedding/dress/details all her life, so I have literally no idea what we're going to do - it's all a blank slate right now other than cheap and small. I'm excited to see what we can put together. Laughing

Now my dilemma: We've talked on and off about getting married and not telling anyone over the years simply for health insurance purposes - I have some pretty hefty medical issues and I must have insurance at all times. In the past it slipped away as an idea, since I had a job and was insured myself, however I've been unemployed since September, and we'd kicked around the idea to get me onto his insurance. Well, after the proposal he asked if I wanted to get married before the end of the year so I can hop on his insurance January 1, and do the wedding ceremony down the road with family and friends. I have no qualms about marrying him, and didn't have an issue with doing so, except for one thing. (Please forgive the longwindedness in advance...I think it turned into me just getting this off my chest somewhere safe!)

I am incredibly close to my father, and an only child. My mom passed when I was 4, and so he and I have been the dynamic duo ever since. My fiance and my father get along about 95% of the time - the only time they clash is when they're both trying to be alpha males, or if I give too much attention to the fiance while the dad is in town. But we have a generally decent balance - fiance asked dad for permission to propose, he said yes, all excited, etc. So it's not so bad. My qualm about doing the whole "secret marriage license" bit was that I felt like I had to talk to my dad first - not for permission, but for guidance - basically to point out if there was any huge flaw in our plan that we just weren't seeing. The fiance wasn't huge on this, but we agreed to talk to our respective parents and ask them to keep it quiet. I honestly didn't think it would be that difficult...

So we talked to the parental units separately, everyone thought it was a fine idea and ok with it (though my dad is understandably grumpy that he won't be there). We're scheduled to get married tomorrow morning (gotta get it done before the end of the world, right?). Then I get a facebook message from the fiance's aunt along the lines of "We heard you were eloping! How exciting! Congratulations!"

Ugh. So much for discretion. Sealed

Am I crazy for being upset about this? I really wanted this to be a quiet thing because I am terrified that people will ask things like "Well why bother having a wedding now?" "Or, well they're already married, so this is just a chance to show off or a waste of money." Worse yet, I'm worried that people won't want to come to the wedding! We aren't planning anything big - 50 people MAX and probably less, and if people opt out because we're already married....meh! We both have engagement rings (mine traditionally worn on my left hand, he's wearing his on his right so as not to get asked about marriage), and just want this to be a special thing between us. I'm not sure how to handle all of this. Maybe it's just the overwhelming flood of everything wedding that's been thrown at me the past week, but I'm breaking down already. I want to be excited, but now I'm worried about who knows, who doesn't know, what do I say ("Yes, we're engaged!" or "Yes, we're married!). It's a whole lot of nonsense. Mabye I'm just worrying too much about offending other people? 

Thanks for listening!

Re: Newly engaged and family problems already (New to the Knot)

  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_just-engaged-proposals_newly-engaged-and-family-problems-already-new-to-the-knot?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:683Discussion:83e1cfdf-a8e5-4a08-99df-ffe7a53da9b8Post:e4ee6a06-04ca-4980-bc31-69150590bab6">Newly engaged and family problems already (New to the Knot)</a>:
    [QUOTE]Hi There! I'm Denae, and my fiance and I just got engaged (12/12/12, seven years to the day of our first date - I got one that's better at anniversaries than I am!). I knew it was coming since we went ring shopping back in July together , but it was still a wonderful surprise and a perfect evening. I've spent the past week fielding all the "what are your plans?!?!?!" questions, am feeling wedding burnout already, and we haven't even set a date yet! Neither of us are interested in a huge wedding or anything fancy. Probably outdoor, cooler weather, absolute max of 50 people, if that. I'm also not one of those girls that has dreamed about her wedding/dress/details all her life, so I have literally no idea what we're going to do - it's all a blank slate right now other than cheap and small. I'm excited to see what we can put together.  Now my dilemma: We've talked on and off about getting married and not telling anyone over the years simply for health insurance purposes - I have some pretty hefty medical issues and I must have insurance at all times. In the past it slipped away as an idea, since I had a job and was insured myself, however I've been unemployed since September, and we'd kicked around the idea to get me onto his insurance. Well, after the proposal he asked if I wanted to get married before the end of the year so I can hop on his insurance January 1, and do the wedding ceremony down the road with family and friends. I have no qualms about marrying him, and didn't have an issue with doing so, except for one thing. (Please forgive the longwindedness in advance...I think it turned into me just getting this off my chest somewhere safe!) I am incredibly close to my father, and an only child. My mom passed when I was 4, and so he and I have been the dynamic duo ever since. My fiance and my father get along about 95% of the time - the only time they clash is when they're both trying to be alpha males, or if I give too much attention to the fiance while the dad is in town. But we have a generally decent balance - fiance asked dad for permission to propose, he said yes, all excited, etc. So it's not so bad. My qualm about doing the whole "secret marriage license" bit was that I felt like I had to talk to my dad first - not for permission, but for guidance - basically to point out if there was any huge flaw in our plan that we just weren't seeing. The fiance wasn't huge on this, but we agreed to talk to our respective parents and ask them to keep it quiet. I honestly didn't think it would be that difficult... So we talked to the parental units separately, everyone thought it was a fine idea and ok with it (though my dad is understandably grumpy that he won't be there). We're scheduled to get married tomorrow morning (gotta get it done before the end of the world, right?). Then I get a facebook message from the fiance's aunt along the lines of "We heard you were eloping! How exciting! Congratulations!" Ugh. So much for discretion.  Am I crazy for being upset about this? I really wanted this to be a quiet thing because I am terrified that people will ask things like<strong> "Well why bother having a wedding now?" "Or, well they're already married, so this is just a chance to show off or a waste of money." Worse yet, I'm worried that people won't want to come to the wedding! </strong>We aren't planning anything big - 50 people MAX and probably less, and if people opt out because we're already married....meh! We both have engagement rings (mine traditionally worn on my left hand, he's wearing his on his right so as not to get asked about marriage), and just want this to be a special thing between us. I'm not sure how to handle all of this. Maybe it's just the overwhelming flood of everything wedding that's been thrown at me the past week, but I'm breaking down already. I want to be excited, but now I'm worried about who knows, who doesn't know, what do I say ("Yes, we're engaged!" or "Yes, we're married!). It's a whole lot of nonsense. Mabye I'm just worrying too much about offending other people?  Thanks for listening!
    Posted by dehvokahn[/QUOTE]

    That is exactly what will happen. Because what you are planning is dishonest. You get one wedding day, and one wedding ceremony, and that is the DAY you get married. You're not the first one to think of this 'brilliant' idea to do this for health insurance. If you need insurance that badly to get married, then be married, own up to it, and forego a big ceremony and reception.
    You are probably going to get a lot of negative responses for this.

    And FWIW, when you have what is called a 'life-changing event' such as marriage, you can opt in your spouse during any time of the year. That's what we did with my H when we got married in July.
  • Forgive my wording then, I think I was typing while upset and neglected to include that we plan to make it clear in the invitations/future planning that this ceremony would be an affirmation of love/announcement of marriage/vow renewal - something like that. We want to have a ceremony to celebrate our marriage with close family and friends, but we don't feel the need to advertise to everyone my current medical needs that are driving the elopement right this minute, especially when we don't 'plan to have the ceremony for a good year or year and a half.

    Our marriage tomorrow IS a life-changing event, one that I am ecstatic about, and I don't believe that because of our current situation, we should be mandated to forgo the celebration of our love with family and friends, especially when we are planning to fund the wedding ourselves. I guess I'm just frustrated that someone else let the cat out of the bag before I could do so in a formal way!

    Then again, we're both fairly non-traditional people when it comes to weddings, so maybe this is a bigger deal to some people. Perhaps my fears will be confirmed, and if so, then it is what it is. Perhaps there will be a lot of negative responses to this, and if so, then that's ok. I guess I just needed to vent. 
  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_just-engaged-proposals_newly-engaged-and-family-problems-already-new-to-the-knot?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:683Discussion:83e1cfdf-a8e5-4a08-99df-ffe7a53da9b8Post:e6543df2-dbe9-4564-9c36-59868cc62c48">Re: Newly engaged and family problems already (New to the Knot)</a>:
    [QUOTE]Forgive my wording then, I think I was typing while upset and neglected to include that we plan to make it clear in the invitations/future planning that this ceremony would be an affirmation of love/announcement of marriage/vow renewal - something like that. We want to have a ceremony to celebrate our marriage with close family and friends, but we don't feel the need to advertise to everyone my current medical needs that are driving the elopement right this minute, especially when we don't 'plan to have the ceremony for a good year or year and a half. Our marriage tomorrow IS a life-changing event, one that I am ecstatic about, and<strong> I don't believe that because of our current situation, we should be mandated to forgo the celebration of our love with family and friends</strong>, especially when we are planning to fund the wedding ourselves. I guess I'm just frustrated that someone else let the cat out of the bag before I could do so in a formal way! Then again, we're both fairly non-traditional people when it comes to weddings, so maybe this is a bigger deal to some people. Perhaps my fears will be confirmed, and if so, then it is what it is. Perhaps there will be a lot of negative responses to this, and if so, then that's ok. I guess I just needed to vent. 
    Posted by dehvokahn[/QUOTE]

    You are not entitled to a celebration of love. You are making the adult decision to forgo a large wedding due to your adult circumstances.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Newly engaged and family problems already (New to the Knot) : <strong>You are not entitled to a celebration of love.</strong> You are making the adult decision to forgo a large wedding due to your adult circumstances.
    Posted by cwaggoner07[/QUOTE]

    I agree with Cwagg. You either 1) get married now and thats it. Maybe have like a big low-key bbq in the summer and invite everyone just to party- no "celebration of love"ness. Or 2) you wait it out and have a big pouffy wedding.

    No one is entitled to a grand wedding. I truthfully suggest you get some insurance for now and think about it a bit more.
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  • [QUOTE]You are not entitled to a celebration of love.[/QUOTE]
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    </div><div>Entitled? Agreed - we're not entitled to anything, nor expecting anything in return. Allowed to put together, pay for, and invite people to a celebration? I think so. </div><div>
    <div>While I respectfully disagree, I appreciate your opinions (and I don't mean that with any sarcasm, since I know written word and tone can be misinterpreted easily). It's helpful to see how others interpret the situation and might respond, so we can be ready for when we share the information with our family and friends, and adjust our celebration/party/whateveryouwanttocallit accordingly. </div></div>
  • Congrats on your engagement.

    Even when I was little, I never dreamed of my wedding.  The big dress and flowers have never been "my thing."  We decided that to keep it simple and inexpensive - and are planning to get married in the Bahamas.  I do not have insurance currently, and although it would be nice to have, I don't think it's a reason for ME to rush to get married. 

    With that being said, I think it is crazy that he is wearing his ring on his right hand.  If you are married, he should be proud/excited and not have to keep it a secret.  If you feel like you have to keep it a secret - then you probably already know it will be upsetting to some people. 

    If you want to have a casual party to celebrate later - go for it!  But don't try to keep your wedding a secret or it will seem suspicious/deceitful to those around you.  Now that people know, i would think the best approach is to spread the word so that family and friends don't have to hear by word of mouth! 
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  • <div>Thanks for your kind words, folks.</div><div>
    </div>In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_just-engaged-proposals_newly-engaged-and-family-problems-already-new-to-the-knot?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:683Discussion:83e1cfdf-a8e5-4a08-99df-ffe7a53da9b8Post:df4afc48-6eb2-41f7-af4f-95aaec1de4bb">Re: Newly engaged and family problems already (New to the Knot)</a>:
    [QUOTE]If you want to have a casual party to celebrate later - go for it!  But don't try to keep your wedding a secret or it will seem suspicious/deceitful to those around you.  Now that people know, i would think the best approach is to spread the word so that family and friends don't have to hear by word of mouth! 
    Posted by ROBINRENE5[/QUOTE]<div>
    </div><div>I think this will be the route that we end up going, long term, now that the cat's out of the bag. We've talked about it more this evening, and I think we're going to let people know, and then have a party to bring our families together when we can afford to and have the chance to plan it. We've both agreed that we'll have a brief renewal of vows at the celebration, and enjoy having our families together. I'm a little less freaked out now that we've had a chance to discuss it and adjust our plans. </div><div>
    </div><div>Looking at it, really the whole goal of the "secrecy" thing was to please family members that I know won't be thrilled that we weren't married in a church in a strictly traditional way. Then again, I'm starting to realize (after many phone calls since the engagement full of advice and requests for the wedding) that we aren't going to be able to please everyone, and we need to do what is right for us - and that means having a civil ceremony tomorrow and celebrating with everyone down the road! Now off to spend the evening together!<img src="http://cdn.cl9.vanillaforums.com/downloaded/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-smile.gif" border="0" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /></div>
  • congratulations on your engaged.  it depends on you two to have which kind of wedding or not.
  • Congrats on your engagement!

    Do not lie about your wedding as PP mentioned. You don't get a "do over". You get one wedding day. Also, Cwaggoner is right. You can go on your FI's insurance after you get married. It does not have to be during open enrollment because it's a qualifying event.
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  • You're probably already married by now (congrats!) But my question would be why couldn't your dad, and/or his parents witness the marriage? 

    and other than that, you are married--own it!  No secrets, its dishonest.  No one needs to know why you got married as quickly as you did; But you are married, so you both should proudly wear your wedding rings!  And in the future, when you are ready, you can have a celebration to include family and friends--but it wouldn't be your wedding day and everyone invited should know that you are already married.  12/21/12 is your wedding day forever. 
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    I'm newly engaged (yesterday, yay!) and haven't planned anything yet, so maybe my opinion is to be taken with a grain of salt, but I just wanted to give you some encouragement.

    I have friends who were about to have a baby in January of 2012 and though they couldn't afford a wedding right away, wanted to be married before the end of 2011. So, they got a couple of friends as witnesses and went to the court house for a civil ceremony. They only told a few close friends (who kept their mouths shut), since they didn't want people thinking they just got married because they were having a baby together (even if that was what they were doing - which I don't actually know was the case).

    They then had a ceremony out in the woods outside Portland, OR (August 2012) with hundreds of their friends and family. It was a beautiful, semi-formal extravaganza of love - exactly what a wedding should be! None of their friends suffered and no importance was taken from either day - their civil or ceremonial event. After all, the civil part is just a formality anyway, right?

    Don't let anyone dictate what is "annoying," would make their "eyes roll," or is something you're not "entitled" to. If it's right for you, it's right! It wouldn't be your wedding if you did it by someone else's standards.
  • Okay, I personally don't see anything wrong with doing the legal marriage now, and doing a ceremony later.  As long as it isn't much later, and as long as you all are truthful about everything with everyone.  (Which, from what I've gathered, you will be.)

    I know some things I've read about destination weddings mention getting married on paper at home first, and then heading out to whatever destination to do the wedding.  That way you can avoid whatever legal or technical issues there may be doing it in a foreign country and such.  How is this different?  Do it legal at one point, and have a ceremony later.  I can't say I'm fond of the idea, but I know I've read that people do it, and I'm sure it saves some trouble.

    I know a friend of mine was engaged, and got pregnant.  She wanted to be married before having the baby, to avoid any trouble and issues with family, and probably naming and all that, too.  I don't know the details.  So they got married in the courthouse before she had the baby, and a couple months later, they had a small ceremony at a church. 

    Sure, both situations don't sound ideal, but it works, and I don't think they are awful.
  • My best friend got engaged in Feb 2010, married in April 2010 because her fiancee was laid off and was going to lose his work visa, and then had her ceremony/wedding and reception in Nov 2010. Everyone who mattered to her still came to her November wedding even though everyone knew she got married in April. If people chose not to come to your wedding because you were already married, do you want these people in your life anyway? I say do whatever you want. People will still come. No matter what, you won't make everyone happy as it is.
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    [QUOTE]My best friend got engaged in Feb 2010, married in April 2010 because her fiancee was laid off and was going to lose his work visa, and then had her ceremony/wedding and reception in Nov 2010. Everyone who mattered to her still came to her November wedding even though everyone knew she got married in April. <strong>If people chose not to come to your wedding because you were already married,</strong> do you want these people in your life anyway? I say do whatever you want. People will still come. No matter what, you won't make everyone happy as it is.
    Posted by nelya8503[/QUOTE]
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    </div><div>Well see that's the thing, it's IMPOSSIBLE to go to someone's wedding who is already married. Because, well, they already had a wedding. So there's that.</div>
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