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House situation

Sorry, but this is another "what would you do".  I know I do this a lot. 

Currently, DH and I live with MIL.  We have been in her house for around a year or so at this point.  (I already know that the first word of advice is to get out immediately, but financially, it's a decision we had to live with for a bit).  We are now at a point where we are looking to rent or buy.  Two options are now being presented.  It is important to note that DH is an only child, MIL has pretty much no family and relies on DH for everything.

Option 1, There is a very small starter home on the next block.  It's cute, and in a good location.  The price recently reduced and it seems like something we could purchase, and then do work on, eventually upgrading to a bigger house and either selling it or renting it out (depending on our financial situation at that time).

 

Option 2, DH wants to speak to an architect about what can be done with the home we are living in now that belongs to MIL.  It is a good neighborhood, and on the pond.  She has lived there for like 30 years.  The house certainly needs updating and reorganization.  She wants to give us the house to essentially turn into a Mother/Daughter (or I guess in this case, a mother/son) where she would have a small apartment on the side of the house, and the main house would be ours.  The amount that we would pay for a down payment and whatnot could go into the reno.  It would end up being a home equity loan instead of a mortgage.  I am hesitant because she is a very difficult woman to deal with, and I was excited about having our own space.  Then I started to feel bratty for thinking that when DH mentioned that at some point he'll have to take care of her and the property anyway, as an only child.

I'm just looking for some outside perspective, please.

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  • Ditto Linger.  You and DH need your space.  Out of the two, I'd definitely say Option 1.  But if I was in your situation, that wouldn't be far enough for me.  But in terms of taking care of her down the road, it sounds like it makes sense.
  • Definitely go with the other house. It's not bratty at all to want your own home and space.
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  • Space. My cousin lived in a house directly across the street from her mother. Her mother was in her business constantly. When she got married,they moved to a house across town, and her mother considered buying the house next door to them that was for sale even though she had recently paid off her house and would have no mortgage. It was ridiculous. It was like they couldn't get away from her. At least if you go ahead and move now, you won't be adding years to this "dependency" and risking never being able to get away. 




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  • Get your own house.  It's one thing for a parent to move in with their children once they can't care for themselves.  But would you really want your marriage from the start to be you living with your MIL?  You need a place of your own.
  • Get your own place. You're close enough that your H can take care of her down the road, but (hopefully) far enough to have your own space. 
  • Option 1, though I would personally want a place that required more of a drive. Not only do you need your own space, but the legal issues of co-owning/renovating a home with your mother/MIL would give me a constant headache. Trying to agree on countertops, flooring, paint color...no thank you. Plus arguing over who should pay for what for every repair down the line? No no no no no no no.
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    Get your own place now! You can always deal with taking care of her when that time comes. Who knows, you could be waiting 20 or 30 years to live by yourself.
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    Definitely get your own place. I would also prefer something farther away than a block, but that's a heck of a lot better than still living in the same place as your MIL.
  • kaos16kaos16 member
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    daria24 said:
    Option 1, though I would personally want a place that required more of a drive. Not only do you need your own space, but the legal issues of co-owning/renovating a home with your mother/MIL would give me a constant headache. Trying to agree on countertops, flooring, paint color...no thank you. Plus arguing over who should pay for what for every repair down the line? No no no no no no no.
    Well, trying to agree on things would be a non-issue with respect to renovations as she would have her little apartment, and we would have the house. . . but I see where you are coming from.
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    Hopefully she will live a very long and productive life.  Presently, she is completely able-bodied, although she likes to have DH husband do as much as possible for her.

    My thought is that if we get the starter home, and god forbid something happens to MIL in even 5 years. . . . we could then make accomodations.  We could rent the starter house out, or attempt to sell it and renovate her home, etc.  It just seems that now is a good time to buy real estate, if possible.

  • She wants you to stay in her house and you've already stated that she's tough to deal with.  I doubt she's going to sit in the apartment without giving her input and demanding things be done her way because it's "her house."
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    SPACE! Get it? Sorry, dumb joke, but seriously space is your friend. I love my parents and I can handle his parents but any time that we are on vacation or my parents come to visit there is always a time where we just need our own space. I understand she would be in a separate little apartment but it is still connected to your house. That is just too close for comfort. And making boundaries and such with her could become an issue if you decide on option 2.

    And I know that you said that making decisions and such for renovations would be a non-issue since she would have her own apartemtn, but remember this woman has owned and lived in this home for 30 years.  She is not giving it or selling it to strangers, she is giving it to family which is a lot different.  She will have opinions and suggestions and may even be unhappy with some things you plan on doing to the houes so be prepared.


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    Space.

    And I'd be tempted to go even further away than a few blocks.

    I love my mother and my future MIL is also a nice woman, but I would be crazy if I lived within an hour of either of them.


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  • I must be the only one who doesn't think the MIL apartment sounds terrible. It really depends on how your relationship with MIL and whether or not she is using this offer to be controlling, or to be nice.

    I don't have an issue with a MIL apt on paper, it's more "moving into HER home, and having her move into an apartment on property." I just can't imagine there won't be issues since she's lived in that space for 30 years, she isn't going to be moving things around because "that's how she had the kitchen cabinets arranged" "oh the couch would be better here" "this room can't handle a dark color like that" etc. 

    If a couple and their MIL were to move into a property at the same time together, on equal footing, it would be different. 
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  • If you already have issues with MIL, down the street is still too close. My MIL lives just a few minutes from us and it is draining. Is there another neighborhood or suburb you could look into? Does he really need to be THAT close? It just seems like you are thinking waaaaay too much about MIL and not enough about yourselves. If she is still in such good health, there is really no need to worry about this immediately.

  • The only way I would consider the staying in MIL's house and building her an apartment option, is if the house is deeded to you and your husband.

    You can to a quit claim deed, with a "Life Estate".  The life estate would essentially give MIL the right to live in the space designated (I would probably have a lawyer draw up a seperate deed to the apartment, so the life estate doesn't apply to the main residence). 

    A life estate means that the deed would be in your and H's name, but MIL has the right to live in the property designated by the life estate for the rest of her life, and you can't revoke it.

    Then, the house would be yours, and she would have less power to call the shots.

  • kaos16 said:

    Hopefully she will live a very long and productive life.  Presently, she is completely able-bodied, although she likes to have DH husband do as much as possible for her.

    My thought is that if we get the starter home, and god forbid something happens to MIL in even 5 years. . . . we could then make accomodations.  We could rent the starter house out, or attempt to sell it and renovate her home, etc.  It just seems that now is a good time to buy real estate, if possible.

    See, this is a real problem, to me. Why does she need her son to do everything for her if she can manage by herself? Does she not have any friends? I think her having a bit more independence while she's still in good health would make a huge difference in quality of life (for both her and for you guys).
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    kaos16 said:

    Hopefully she will live a very long and productive life.  Presently, she is completely able-bodied, although she likes to have DH husband do as much as possible for her.

    My thought is that if we get the starter home, and god forbid something happens to MIL in even 5 years. . . . we could then make accomodations.  We could rent the starter house out, or attempt to sell it and renovate her home, etc.  It just seems that now is a good time to buy real estate, if possible.

    See, this is a real problem, to me. Why does she need her son to do everything for her if she can manage by herself? Does she not have any friends? I think her having a bit more independence while she's still in good health would make a huge difference in quality of life (for both her and for you guys).

    She doesn't have many friends at all.  In the time I have known DH, I have met 2 friends.  One lives about 10 hours away, the other is 91.  I think that she has him do everything for her because she knows he will and it makes her feel good because it shows he cares.  I find it to be nonsense personally, and we have had multiple conversations about the attachment issues.
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    kaos16 said:

    Hopefully she will live a very long and productive life.  Presently, she is completely able-bodied, although she likes to have DH husband do as much as possible for her.

    My thought is that if we get the starter home, and god forbid something happens to MIL in even 5 years. . . . we could then make accomodations.  We could rent the starter house out, or attempt to sell it and renovate her home, etc.  It just seems that now is a good time to buy real estate, if possible.


    See, this is a real problem, to me. Why does she need her son to do everything for her if she can manage by herself? Does she not have any friends? I think her having a bit more independence while she's still in good health would make a huge difference in quality of life (for both her and for you guys).


    She doesn't have many friends at all.  In the time I have known DH, I have met 2 friends.  One lives about 10 hours away, the other is 91.  I think that she has him do everything for her because she knows he will and it makes her feel good because it shows he cares.  I find it to be nonsense personally, and we have had multiple conversations about the attachment issues.

    You think it's nonsense because it is nonsense. If you don't deal with these attachment issues now, they are only going to continue and maybe even get worse. I understand that it's nice of him to do things for her, but it doesn't need to be everything. He should not spend his married life worrying a out his mothers needs before your needs as a family. What does he say about the attachment?

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    kaos16 said:

    Hopefully she will live a very long and productive life.  Presently, she is completely able-bodied, although she likes to have DH husband do as much as possible for her.

    My thought is that if we get the starter home, and god forbid something happens to MIL in even 5 years. . . . we could then make accomodations.  We could rent the starter house out, or attempt to sell it and renovate her home, etc.  It just seems that now is a good time to buy real estate, if possible.

    See, this is a real problem, to me. Why does she need her son to do everything for her if she can manage by herself? Does she not have any friends? I think her having a bit more independence while she's still in good health would make a huge difference in quality of life (for both her and for you guys).

    She doesn't have many friends at all.  In the time I have known DH, I have met 2 friends.  One lives about 10 hours away, the other is 91.  I think that she has him do everything for her because she knows he will and it makes her feel good because it shows he cares.  I find it to be nonsense personally, and we have had multiple conversations about the attachment issues.
    You think it's nonsense because it is nonsense. If you don't deal with these attachment issues now, they are only going to continue and maybe even get worse. I understand that it's nice of him to do things for her, but it doesn't need to be everything. He should not spend his married life worrying a out his mothers needs before your needs as a family. What does he say about the attachment?
    Slowly but surely I am getting through to him.  He actually confronts her on stuff now and lets her know that she can do it herself, or that he has plans and if she needs something done it will have to wait, etc.  It was just the two of them for a very long time. . . so these games are deeply ingrained in both of them, it's taking some time to work them out.
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