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Another invitation vent...

I guess I will just share my story again as one of the reasons why you shouldn't send save the dates to everyone on your list...

The short story is, FIs mother passed away during our engagement. However she had already given me her "list". She said she didn't expect everyone to come, everyone is out of state, and she seemed amenable to not inviting everyone on it. I never asked her about specific people because I did not get the opportunity.

We sent the save the dates several months after her passing. I originally planned on just sending to my family, fi and my friends, and FIs close family. Several people on the list from his mom were people he didn't know. But he has never been as close with his extended family.

My mom thought it was weird not to send save the dates to everyone. So we did (first mistake). A lot of the list didn't have everyone's names (kids or spouses) so we sent to "mr and mrs last name" and his family said that they'd give us the rest of the names at a later date (second mistake).

Now invites are about to be addressed and stuffed to go out in September and we still don't have first names for FIs moms list. Also I found out it includes far extended family (third cousins?!) and people that no one else has met (were connected through his mom only I guess?). Finally, she had her counts sort of off (mainly from saying Billy and Sue and their three kids... But the kids are actually adults in their 20s or even 30s). So.

We don't have a space issue- because we are perfectly comfortable telling his family that we cannot accommodate adult kids living outside the home and their families. And we don't really have a cost issue, though I am not super excited about so many people we don't even know attending.

I wish we hadn't sent save the dates to these people- but I thought they were first cousins (we invited all my first cousins, as I am close to them), and it was still such a sore subject to even suggest cutting his mothers list.

I am mostly just sick at the thought that so many of his family members will think we are being gift grabby by inviting people whose first names we don't even know! I have tried to explain to his family that we need full names- Mrs. Whatever and husband isn't enough- (like we dont have husbands name!) but they don't get it. I'm having a hard time being polite with his family because I think they're being so rude and gift grabby. Most of the invitees are out of state and admittedly won't come. But I would feel so awkward if I got an invite to the wedding of a third cousin id never met!

And just to confirm, FI is the one actually dealing with all this for the most part. But he doesn't see why it's wrong to invite people assuming they won't come, or to invite people without their first names. I'm the one worrying. ...as usual :)

For example, we sent a save the date to a female cousin and later I found out (...when she visited our web page and signed the guest book...) that she's married! So I feel awful for sending her a std just to her at her maiden name. :( she's older and my googling tells me she's probably been married for some time...

I am mostly just venting here because I don't want to overload my FI (and I am so pissed with his family for taking well over a year to get me this information) or my friends with wedding complaints. If everyone shows up I know it will be fine.

But what do I do if we don't get the names? My moms friend is doing calligraphy and needs to start by Monday to give my mom time to stuff things and mail in early September. (Long story but we are long distance planning and my mom graciously volunteered to do the manual labor of putting together the invites!) I know if we don't get their names by Monday my mom can just hand write it in- but I still planned on sending in early September (since 90% of guests are OOT and everyone keeps asking about it). Just not send their invites until we get it?! Then it will look even not like B listing! I just feel like I've maybe offended even more people by excluding spouses or using maiden names, since we didn't have his mom around to help. Oh man.

My mom thinks if we don't get names we can cut them. I know this isn't right if they for a save the date. But what about unnamed kids? Can we just cut them if FIs family doesn't give us their names ?

If you made it this far, thanks for reading... I feel a lot better now.

And be careful when you send your save the dates!!!!!!!! Seriously.

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  • I guess I will just share my story again as one of the reasons why you shouldn't send save the dates to everyone on your list... The short story is, FIs mother passed away during our engagement. However she had already given me her "list". She said she didn't expect everyone to come, everyone is out of state, and she seemed amenable to not inviting everyone on it. I never asked her about specific people because I did not get the opportunity. We sent the save the dates several months after her passing. I originally planned on just sending to my family, fi and my friends, and FIs close family. Several people on the list from his mom were people he didn't know. But he has never been as close with his extended family. My mom thought it was weird not to send save the dates to everyone. So we did (first mistake). A lot of the list didn't have everyone's names (kids or spouses) so we sent to "mr and mrs last name" and his family said that they'd give us the rest of the names at a later date (second mistake). Now invites are about to be addressed and stuffed to go out in September and we still don't have first names for FIs moms list. Also I found out it includes far extended family (third cousins?!) and people that no one else has met (were connected through his mom only I guess?). Finally, she had her counts sort of off (mainly from saying Billy and Sue and their three kids... But the kids are actually adults in their 20s or even 30s). So. We don't have a space issue- because we are perfectly comfortable telling his family that we cannot accommodate adult kids living outside the home and their families. And we don't really have a cost issue, though I am not super excited about so many people we don't even know attending. I wish we hadn't sent save the dates to these people- but I thought they were first cousins (we invited all my first cousins, as I am close to them), and it was still such a sore subject to even suggest cutting his mothers list. I am mostly just sick at the thought that so many of his family members will think we are being gift grabby by inviting people whose first names we don't even know! I have tried to explain to his family that we need full names- Mrs. Whatever and husband isn't enough- (like we dont have husbands name!) but they don't get it. I'm having a hard time being polite with his family because I think they're being so rude and gift grabby. Most of the invitees are out of state and admittedly won't come. But I would feel so awkward if I got an invite to the wedding of a third cousin id never met! And just to confirm, FI is the one actually dealing with all this for the most part. But he doesn't see why it's wrong to invite people assuming they won't come, or to invite people without their first names. I'm the one worrying. ...as usual :) For example, we sent a save the date to a female cousin and later I found out (...when she visited our web page and signed the guest book...) that she's married! So I feel awful for sending her a std just to her at her maiden name. :( she's older and my googling tells me she's probably been married for some time... I am mostly just venting here because I don't want to overload my FI (and I am so pissed with his family for taking well over a year to get me this information) or my friends with wedding complaints. If everyone shows up I know it will be fine. But what do I do if we don't get the names? My moms friend is doing calligraphy and needs to start by Monday to give my mom time to stuff things and mail in early September. (Long story but we are long distance planning and my mom graciously volunteered to do the manual labor of putting together the invites!) I know if we don't get their names by Monday my mom can just hand write it in- but I still planned on sending in early September (since 90% of guests are OOT and everyone keeps asking about it). Just not send their invites until we get it?! Then it will look even not like B listing! I just feel like I've maybe offended even more people by excluding spouses or using maiden names, since we didn't have his mom around to help. Oh man. My mom thinks if we don't get names we can cut them. I know this isn't right if they for a save the date. But what about unnamed kids? Can we just cut them if FIs family doesn't give us their names ? If you made it this far, thanks for reading... I feel a lot better now. And be careful when you send your save the dates!!!!!!!! Seriously.
    I'm glad you feel better. I seriously hate that when family does that and like don't tell you about the kids and it makes you look like a really bad host when in reality it's not your fault you haven't been provided with this info. This sounds like a huge headache in regards to seating chart. Good luck.
  • Mmm yeah. I am super leaning toward open seating at this point :)

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  • i agree. i sent some std's that i wish i hadn't. but what's done is done. i don't think you should cut them, they should be included since they received the std. does fi's mom have a sister or some other family member who you could talk to to get this information?
  • Mmm yeah. I am super leaning toward open seating at this point :)
    I don't blame you for feeling frustrated under the circumstances, but I wouldn't do open seating.  There are lots of threads here about how not assigning tables causes people to have to walk around looking for "unreserved" seats, and especially in buffet receptions where you have to carry a heavy tray of food, that's very unpleasant.

    If you don't have full names, use what you've got and explain the circumstances.  This is an instance where honesty is probably your best policy.
  • sarahdactyIsarahdactyI member
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    So escort cards saying "mr and mrs brown and children"? "Ladycousin and Unnamed husband"?

    I guess I could ask FI to fish around on fb and see if he can find some of these people to ask. His family clearly can't help.

    Realistically I do hope to do assigned tables. I am just really confused why its so hard to find people's first names... And they have a common last name so google hasn't been much help.

    ETA not trying to be snarky. Seriously just don't know what to do/really hate the thought of people thinking I'm rude. :/

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  • sarahdactyIsarahdactyI member
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    edited August 2013
    And- FIs moms mother passed away a few months ago. FMIL had two sisters, both of whom are in really poor health, and their names were wrong (remarried, as i found out in FIs grandmothers obituary...) so i dont think they kept in touch. He has a split family so his dad isn't really familiar with moms side anymore (divorced ages ago).

    To be honest i think this all underscores how terrible it is to not have her here. I am so excited to be married but at this point I'm overwhelmed and I know FI will miss her terribly on that day and it just feels so sad.

    Sorry to open up such a therapy session.

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  • Did your FMIL keep an address book or the like anywhere?  Would friends or other relatives of hers know any of the extended family she wanted to invite? 
  • rkborkbo member
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    How about facebook, who isn't on it nowadays. I bet you could do some fb stalking and find out most names :)
  • sarahdactyIsarahdactyI member
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    edited August 2013
    She had an old school address book. We've been going through FIs siblings to get the info. (They have the book) They're in yet another state so I can't physically access the book myself, I have no idea if she just didn't have full names or what in there.

    I know they had a really close family friend that I think FI would feel comfortable asking- I hadn't thought of that approach!

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  • I guess I will just share my story again as one of the reasons why you shouldn't send save the dates to everyone on your list... 

    The short story is, FIs mother passed away during our engagement. Really sorry to hear that, OP and FI. However she had already given me her "list". She said she didn't expect everyone to come, everyone is out of state, and she seemed amenable to not inviting everyone on it. I never asked her about specific people because I did not get the opportunity. 

     We sent the save the dates several months after her passing. I originally planned on just sending to my family, fi and my friends, and FIs close family. Several people on the list from his mom were people he didn't know. But he has never been as close with his extended family. 

     My mom thought it was weird not to send save the dates to everyone. So we did (first mistake). A lot of the list didn't have everyone's names (kids or spouses) so we sent to "mr and mrs last name" and his family said that they'd give us the rest of the names at a later date (second mistake). 

     Now invites are about to be addressed and stuffed to go out in September and we still don't have first names for FIs moms list. Also I found out it includes far extended family (third cousins?!) and people that no one else has met (were connected through his mom only I guess?). Finally, she had her counts sort of off (mainly from saying Billy and Sue and their three kids... But the kids are actually adults in their 20s or even 30s). So. Obviously it's water under the bridge for you guys, but for lurkers, ALWAYS get the full names of guests if you accept lists from others.

    We don't have a space issue- because we are perfectly comfortable telling his family that we cannot accommodate adult kids living outside the home and their families. How would you even know that? Sounds like you don't really know their names or ages, or if they have SOs.... And we don't really have a cost issue, though I am not super excited about so many people we don't even know attending. 

     I wish we hadn't sent save the dates to these people- but I thought they were first cousins (we invited all my first cousins, as I am close to them), and it was still such a sore subject to even suggest cutting his mothers list. Also water under the bridge for you guys, but to lurkers: ALWAYS clarify who people are if they're going to be guests at your wedding. 

     I am mostly just sick at the thought that so many of his family members will think we are being gift grabby by inviting people whose first names we don't even know! I have tried to explain to his family that we need full names- Mrs. Whatever and husband isn't enough- (like we dont have husbands name!) but they don't get it. Your FI needs to explain this to them. I'm having a hard time being polite with his family because I think they're being so rude and gift grabby. Let your FI handle his own family. And why would they be gift grabby? Who is giving them gifts? Most of the invitees are out of state and admittedly won't come. But I would feel so awkward if I got an invite to the wedding of a third cousin id never met! This probably works in your favor - they'll probably decline.

     And just to confirm, FI is the one actually dealing with all this for the most part. But he doesn't see why it's wrong to invite people assuming they won't come, or to invite people without their first names. I'm the one worrying. ...as usual :)You two also need to figure out how you're going to follow up with these people in the event they don't RSVP...

    For example, we sent a save the date to a female cousin and later I found out (...when she visited our web page and signed the guest book...) that she's married! So I feel awful for sending her a std just to her at her maiden name. :( she's older and my googling tells me she's probably been married for some time... 

    I am mostly just venting here because I don't want to overload my FI (and I am so pissed with his family for taking well over a year to get me this information) or my friends with wedding complaints. If everyone shows up I know it will be fine. Have your FI call and send them regular emails until you get what you need.

     But what do I do if we don't get the names? My moms friend is doing calligraphy and needs to start by Monday to give my mom time to stuff things and mail in early September. (Long story but we are long distance planning and my mom graciously volunteered to do the manual labor of putting together the invites!) I know if we don't get their names by Monday my mom can just hand write it in- but I still planned on sending in early September (since 90% of guests are OOT and everyone keeps asking about it). When is your wedding? Invites don't need to go out until 6-8 weeks before hand. Who cares if people are asking? Just not send their invites until we get it?! Use what you used on the STDs if you don't get the full names - "Mr and Mrs Smith". Not much else you can do... Then it will look even not like B listing! I just feel like I've maybe offended even more people by excluding spouses or using maiden names, since we didn't have his mom around to help. What about his dad? Or his mom's sisters or her friends? Oh man. 

     My mom thinks if we don't get names we can cut them. Stop taking advice from your mom! I'm sure she's a wonderful lady, but...just no. I know this isn't right if they for a save the date. But what about unnamed kids? Can we just cut them if FIs family doesn't give us their names ? Did you send STDs that included "and family" or did you just address the STDs to the parents? If just the parents, then just send the invitation to the parents. You wouldn't be "cutting" the kids if they were never on the STD in the first place.

     If you made it this far, thanks for reading... I feel a lot better now. Good :)

     And be careful when you send your save the dates!!!!!!!! Seriously. Thanks for posting this - it's always better for lurkers to learn from others' mistakes than to learn the hard way from their own.
    FWIW - We had open seating and it was not a problem at all. We provided about 10-15% extra chairs and it worked out great. 
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  • So sorry about your FI's mother :(   I don't know what your RSVP cards look like but don't most people fill out their names in the M_______?  Then you could use the RSVP names for escort cards?  I would try to do as much name research as possible and if these people really aren't close with your family I think they will understand not having their full names.  You may even have a higher decline rate since these relatives clearly aren't close.

    I see your regret/advice is to not send STDs to everyone.  Our guest list is starting to get overwhelming... My parents paying for a lot of their wedding so their list is really not negotiable (I'm completely fine with everyone on their list - aunts/uncles 1st cousins and close family friends).  My FI and I have cut down our list significantly but still have a number of people that we would love to have [if we had the space they would absolutely be invited] and my FI's mother basically told us to give her a # (she knows we are stressing on the list) and they would cut their list down to that #.  My problem is - I don't know how to send STDs to only some of these people.  A lot of the "maybe invites if we can" are friends with people who are definitely invited so we definitely don't want people to think they are B-listed.  It's also semi-destination (up to 6 hours away driving for some people) so I do feel like we should send STDs out to at least some (ideally all) of the guest list.  Any advice?  I feel like everyone expects STDs nowadays esp. for a non local wedding.   I assume if anyone saw our STD on someone else's fridge and didn't receive one and then received an invitation they would think/know they were B-listed.  To clarify we are only sending out one round of invites (no B-listing) but trying to figure out the best way to send out Save the Dates.  Any advice appreciated :)
  • kkcaper14 said:
    So sorry about your FI's mother :(   I don't know what your RSVP cards look like but don't most people fill out their names in the M_______?  Then you could use the RSVP names for escort cards?  I would try to do as much name research as possible and if these people really aren't close with your family I think they will understand not having their full names.  You may even have a higher decline rate since these relatives clearly aren't close.

    Wow. Yes! I hadn't even thought of that!

    I guess I have heard stories of people forgetting to write their names - but I'm sure if I got any names wrong on the invitations, they'd make a point to write the correct name on the line!

    I see your regret/advice is to not send STDs to everyone.  Our guest list is starting to get overwhelming... My parents paying for a lot of their wedding so their list is really not negotiable (I'm completely fine with everyone on their list - aunts/uncles 1st cousins and close family friends).  My FI and I have cut down our list significantly but still have a number of people that we would love to have [if we had the space they would absolutely be invited] and my FI's mother basically told us to give her a # (she knows we are stressing on the list) and they would cut their list down to that #.  My problem is - I don't know how to send STDs to only some of these people.  A lot of the "maybe invites if we can" are friends with people who are definitely invited so we definitely don't want people to think they are B-listed.  It's also semi-destination (up to 6 hours away driving for some people) so I do feel like we should send STDs out to at least some (ideally all) of the guest list.  Any advice?  I feel like everyone expects STDs nowadays esp. for a non local wedding.   I assume if anyone saw our STD on someone else's fridge and didn't receive one and then received an invitation they would think/know they were B-listed.  To clarify we are only sending out one round of invites (no B-listing) but trying to figure out the best way to send out Save the Dates.  Any advice appreciated :)

    I am clearly not the right person to give advice on sending save the dates :) I'd say to the extent you can, try to send in circles to avoid people seeing things on fridges?
    And as an update... late tonight I think we finally resolved all the names. Then I did some more FB detective work and it looks like the woman whose name I messed up did just get married this past year so I feel less awful. 

    You should definitely not send to everyone on your list. And you should make sure you ask key questions. Like, "Oh, these are your cousins? Are they your first cousins? Or your seventh-once-removed?" etc. :)

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  • I guess I have heard stories of people forgetting to write their names - but I'm sure if I got any names wrong on the invitations, they'd make a point to write the correct name on the line!

    If you are worried about this, you can always assign everyone a number and write it on the back of the RSVP. Keep a list of everyone's number and if someone forgets to write their name, you still know who it is. You can do it in invisible ink and use a black light pen to read it if you don't want it to really show up on your RSV (though honestly, pen should be fine). 

    We did it and it was really helpful! Luckily, only a few people responded without writing their names. 
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