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Future father in law and step mother in law trying to control my guest list

My fiancé and I got engaged this past May.  We had decided that we wanted to get married the following summer.  I quickly started looking for venues and since my mother and my fiancé's mother live in different states from us, I asked my future step mother in law to help us embark on this new chapter planning.  She came with us to a few venues and helped us rule some places out with out even having to visit them.  Overall, she was really helpful.  We booked our venue, which my mother paid the deposit.  My parents will be paying for the whole wedding as she is very traditional and believes that brides family should pay.  Since we had found the venue and put the deposit down, I really didn't do much else right away.  Everyone kind of stopped asking about planning because there was no new news to give them.  My fiancé and I started a very rough draft of our guest list.  A couple months went by, and I started talking to my mother about numbers of guests.  At first we agreed that we only wanted 100 guests, but since the venue's minimum occupancy was 150, my mother agreed to bump the number up to that.  I explained this to my future father in law and his wife (my future step mother in law), my future mother in law, and my fiancé.  Everyone seemed to understand that the total number of guests was to be 150.  I asked them all for a "wish list," but also reminded them that we had to evenly divide 150 people up between 4 groups (my family, my fiancé's father's side of his family, my fiancé's mother's side of his family, and my fiancé and my friends).  When I received everyone's lists, my mother and my fiancé's mother's lists were more than reasonable with approximately 30 people per list.  Then I received my future father in law and step mother in law's list, and there were 100 people that they said we "have to invite everyone, no if's and's or but's."  Well that's all fine and dandy, but they aren't paying.  My fiancé and I took all the lists, ours included, and added them up just to see how many people there would be if we included everyone, plus my future father/step mother in law's wanted all of their 100 guests to be able to bring a plus one if they didn't already have a significant other.  This brought their list almost up to 150, which was the whole amount allotted in the first place by my mother.  The total number if everyone got there way would have been close to 300 guests, more than half of whom neither my fiancé nor I knew.  I immediately told everyone that if the guest being invited was not in a serious committed relationship, they were not going to have a plus one included.  There was some disappointment, but I believe that my future father/step mother in law thought this meant that their total 100 people would be invited.  Whenever we discussed it with them it turned into a huge controversy, so my fiancé and I eventually stopped having these conversations with them.  We decided ultimately that the only person who needed to see the finalized list before the day of the wedding was my mother since she is the one who will be sending the invitations out.  My fiancé and I took all of the people off the list who we did not know, whether they were family or not.  My future in laws were trying to invite everyone in their extended families.  I ended up being able to narrow the list down from almost 300 to 170, which my mother said was fine since there are a lot of out of town guests, and more than likely 15-20 people will easily RSVP no, and even if all 170 people do come, it is not a matter of money for my mother it is the mere fact that neither my fiancé or I want that big of a wedding.  Not to mention, in my mother's opinion why should she have to pay for only 30 guests for her and 150 for my future father/step mother in laws family.  It wasn't fair.  I started getting addresses for everyone this past week.  I had gotten all the addresses from everyone except for a few from my future step mother in law.  I sent her a text message asking her to e-mail them to me when she got a chance over the next couple of days.  Her response to that was "why do you need them now?"  I told her the truth, since my parents were coming into state to visit and to meet my future in laws for the first time, my mother had asked me to print out a hard copy of the guest list with addresses for her.  Now my future step mother in law asked me to e-mail the list to her, since my mother was getting a list.  In a perfect world, I would have told her no... But I didn't.  I felt as though if I said no, then they would have known my fiancé and I were trying to hide something from them with the guest list anyway, so I begrudgingly sent it.  20 minutes or so went by and I received a text message from her telling me that I must have not received the whole list they had sent me a few weeks prior with all their guests on it.  Kindly, I explained to her that I had received the whole list, but due to numbers I could not accommodate all 150 people they were asking for since the whole entire list was supposed to be 150 people.  I explained that both my parents and my fiancé's mother were only asking to have grandparents, aunts/uncles, and our own first cousins invited for family and that my fiancé and I were trying to keep it at that for all sides of the family.  That we did not want every single last extended family member there.  After I explained myself, I did not receive another text message that night.  Instead when my fiancé and I went into work the next morning (yes, we work together with his father and many other family members) at 5:55 am my future father in law approached us and stated "either you invite everyone from my list or no one."  My fiancé dealt with this situation and I just kept quiet.  I did not want to start another disagreement between my future in laws and myself especially since they were meeting my parents for the first time the following day.  The meeting ended up going as civil as any of us expected it to, but come to find out when we were all at dinner together, my future in laws brought the list up with my mother trying to demand that they be allowed to invite another 50 people.  My mother simply explained to them what I already had and moved on.  Then come to find out my future in laws showed our guest list to my fiancé's grandparents who are now also upset with us, because their siblings are not invited to our wedding.  My fiancé's grandmother even said something to my mother about how here two sister's should be invited and it wasn't fair, but then followed it up with "but I'm not getting involved."  I'm sorry bringing it up with my mother who you had never met until that night, IS getting involved.  My mother suggested that if they aren't happy with the number of people from their family that are being invited, then they can throw a separate party to include everyone they want to include.  She made it clear that this is our wedding and we should only have our closest family members and friends there to share the day, not complete and total strangers.  I keep trying to include them in other ways, like with parts of the menu, and the cake.  I have asked my future step mother in law if she would like to come with me to look at wedding dresses.  She was all excited about looking for dresses until she found out it would mean driving 2 hours to where my mother lives along with all of my bridesmaids.  I understand she may not want to take the drive, but she does not want part in anything else now either... Which is also fine with me, but behind my fiancé and my back they end up talking about us saying that we don't include them in anything.  I am getting so frustrated, because I cannot please everyone no matter how hard I try... I just am at  loss and am getting to the point where I want to throw my hands up and tell everyone that they will not be invited to a wedding, because I'd rather elope at this point.  What should I do to get the in laws off our back?

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Re: Future father in law and step mother in law trying to control my guest list

  • I'm glad that I have my mother on my side as well as my fiancé's mother too.  They keep telling my fiancé and myself that they will contribute as well, but when push comes to shove they never said anything along those lines to my mother.  They just expect her to cover an extra 50 people at $135 per plate plus open bar and everything else... It has already started getting very expensive. Thank you for the advice, you are right.  He is just being a baby and needs to cut it out.

  • If FFL isn't paying, he doesn't get a say.  Your FI can tell him that he can cut his guest list down to 30 people, or he will do it for him.  FFL is acting like a baby having a tantrum.  If FFL can't cut his list down, or refuses to, you can tell him you will decide who from that list is invited, or you don't have to invite anyone at all.

    Glad your mom is holding fast to the party line.  Those who pay, say.
    Agreed.  They are acting very immature.  I can see how this might be difficult because you work with them, but it's not like they are asking you for a handful of extra guests.  There's a huge difference between 150 people and 300 people, and the whole vision of your wedding will change.  I'm sure you chose your venue based on the # of people you planned on inviting, not 150+ guests that you don't know and your FFIL wants you to invite but won't pay for.  Do they realize how inconsiderate/rude that is, not to mention insanely expensive?

    Can your fiance talk to them about the reason as to why they feel these people should be invited?  Is it because they just think it's the right thing, or they want a huge family wedding?  They seem to be going against what you and your fiance have already decided on in terms of a venue and space.  Either way, unless you get a new venue and they bring out a checkbook, you can't accommodate these people.

    Also, you mentioned inviting a few people over the 150 max---always plan for 100% attendance!  Otherwise, you may have people who thought they couldn't make it, but end up showing up.  You'll have serious problems if you have 170 who RSVP a month before the wedding but you can only hold 150.

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  • Your FI should tell his parents that if they're not paying, they don't get any say over who gets invited, and that if they don't cut their list, he will.

    They have no right to expect to have a family reunion at your parents' or your expense.
  • First of all, please don't invite 170 people if your max for the venue is 150. Always always plan for 100% attendance. Some of those "definite no's" could very well turn into yes's, and then you'll be screwed. Also, the venue might be able to hold 150 people, but sometimes that max amount can be a very tight squeeze, so I'd keep that in mind as well.
    As for the FFIL, if they aren't paying, they don't get a say. End of story. Either tell them to bring out the checkbook, or keep their opinions on the guest list to themselves. Be respectful, but firm, and hopefully they'll eventually back down. If they bring it up any time wedding things are discussed, stop discussing wedding things with them.
    And as a side note, it sounds like they're quite pushy about their own vision for your wedding, so I'd be careful later down the line with wedding planning about them trying to push more opinions on you. (Well you absolutely must have daisies for your bouquet! No ifs ands or buts. Etc) Just be prepared for it.
  • @simplykayla the minimum is 150, not the maximum. Anyways OP, I am glad your mom is sticking to her guns. Your FFIL either needs to bring out his checkbook or hush. Those who pay get a say.

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  • AlexisA01 said:
    @simplykayla the minimum is 150, not the maximum. Anyways OP, I am glad your mom is sticking to her guns. Your FFIL either needs to bring out his checkbook or hush. Those who pay get a say.
    Whoops! Totally read that wrong, my bad!
    Then I change my statement to just say be prepared to pay for 170 people if everyone is available to make it.
  • I'm sorry you are dealing with this - your FI's father and stepmother are being awful. 

    While I completely agree with the "whoever pays gets a say" sentiment, I don't think I'd give them that option - they just might take you up on it, and then you risk them hijacking your entire wedding. The bottom line is that you and your FI don't want a larger wedding than about 150 people. Period. It sounds like your mom, FI, etc. are being fantastic in supporting you and staying firm, so just keep on doing what you're doing. 
  • I only skimmed, but they seem crazy. Don't give in to their requests because if you do, you'll be dealing with a lifetime of their manipulation. 
  • I don't feel like reading this post all slumped together without any paragraphs or breaks.

    Luckily I got the info that I needed to answer in the first few lines. If your parents are paying, that means your in laws do not get a say.
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  • This sounds eerily similar to my personal life right now. All I wanted to say is that your mom deserves a big hug. Not a lot of people, even mothers of brides, could handle that uncomfortable situation so calmly and strongly, especially when being attacked by so many people at one time.

  • ck3455 said:
    My fiancé and I got engaged this past May.  We had decided that we wanted to get married the following summer.  I quickly started looking for venues and since my mother and my fiancé's mother live in different states from us, I asked my future step mother in law to help us embark on this new chapter planning.  She came with us to a few venues and helped us rule some places out with out even having to visit them.  Overall, she was really helpful.  We booked our venue, which my mother paid the deposit.  My parents will be paying for the whole wedding as she is very traditional and believes that brides family should pay.  Since we had found the venue and put the deposit down, I really didn't do much else right away.  Everyone kind of stopped asking about planning because there was no new news to give them.  My fiancé and I started a very rough draft of our guest list.  A couple months went by, and I started talking to my mother about numbers of guests.  At first we agreed that we only wanted 100 guests, but since the venue's minimum occupancy was 150, my mother agreed to bump the number up to that.  I explained this to my future father in law and his wife (my future step mother in law), my future mother in law, and my fiancé.  Everyone seemed to understand that the total number of guests was to be 150.  I asked them all for a "wish list," but also reminded them that we had to evenly divide 150 people up between 4 groups (my family, my fiancé's father's side of his family, my fiancé's mother's side of his family, and my fiancé and my friends).  When I received everyone's lists, my mother and my fiancé's mother's lists were more than reasonable with approximately 30 people per list.  Then I received my future father in law and step mother in law's list, and there were 100 people that they said we "have to invite everyone, no if's and's or but's."  Well that's all fine and dandy, but they aren't paying.  My fiancé and I took all the lists, ours included, and added them up just to see how many people there would be if we included everyone, plus my future father/step mother in law's wanted all of their 100 guests to be able to bring a plus one if they didn't already have a significant other.  This brought their list almost up to 150, which was the whole amount allotted in the first place by my mother.  The total number if everyone got there way would have been close to 300 guests, more than half of whom neither my fiancé nor I knew.  I immediately told everyone that if the guest being invited was not in a serious committed relationship, they were not going to have a plus one included.  There was some disappointment, but I believe that my future father/step mother in law thought this meant that their total 100 people would be invited.  Whenever we discussed it with them it turned into a huge controversy, so my fiancé and I eventually stopped having these conversations with them.  We decided ultimately that the only person who needed to see the finalized list before the day of the wedding was my mother since she is the one who will be sending the invitations out.  My fiancé and I took all of the people off the list who we did not know, whether they were family or not.  My future in laws were trying to invite everyone in their extended families.  I ended up being able to narrow the list down from almost 300 to 170, which my mother said was fine since there are a lot of out of town guests, and more than likely 15-20 people will easily RSVP no, and even if all 170 people do come, it is not a matter of money for my mother it is the mere fact that neither my fiancé or I want that big of a wedding.  Not to mention, in my mother's opinion why should she have to pay for only 30 guests for her and 150 for my future father/step mother in laws family.  It wasn't fair.  I started getting addresses for everyone this past week.  I had gotten all the addresses from everyone except for a few from my future step mother in law.  I sent her a text message asking her to e-mail them to me when she got a chance over the next couple of days.  Her response to that was "why do you need them now?"  I told her the truth, since my parents were coming into state to visit and to meet my future in laws for the first time, my mother had asked me to print out a hard copy of the guest list with addresses for her.  Now my future step mother in law asked me to e-mail the list to her, since my mother was getting a list.  In a perfect world, I would have told her no... But I didn't.  I felt as though if I said no, then they would have known my fiancé and I were trying to hide something from them with the guest list anyway, so I begrudgingly sent it.  20 minutes or so went by and I received a text message from her telling me that I must have not received the whole list they had sent me a few weeks prior with all their guests on it.  Kindly, I explained to her that I had received the whole list, but due to numbers I could not accommodate all 150 people they were asking for since the whole entire list was supposed to be 150 people.  I explained that both my parents and my fiancé's mother were only asking to have grandparents, aunts/uncles, and our own first cousins invited for family and that my fiancé and I were trying to keep it at that for all sides of the family.  That we did not want every single last extended family member there.  After I explained myself, I did not receive another text message that night.  Instead when my fiancé and I went into work the next morning (yes, we work together with his father and many other family members) at 5:55 am my future father in law approached us and stated "either you invite everyone from my list or no one."  My fiancé dealt with this situation and I just kept quiet.  I did not want to start another disagreement between my future in laws and myself especially since they were meeting my parents for the first time the following day.  The meeting ended up going as civil as any of us expected it to, but come to find out when we were all at dinner together, my future in laws brought the list up with my mother trying to demand that they be allowed to invite another 50 people.  My mother simply explained to them what I already had and moved on.  Then come to find out my future in laws showed our guest list to my fiancé's grandparents who are now also upset with us, because their siblings are not invited to our wedding.  My fiancé's grandmother even said something to my mother about how here two sister's should be invited and it wasn't fair, but then followed it up with "but I'm not getting involved."  I'm sorry bringing it up with my mother who you had never met until that night, IS getting involved.  My mother suggested that if they aren't happy with the number of people from their family that are being invited, then they can throw a separate party to include everyone they want to include.  She made it clear that this is our wedding and we should only have our closest family members and friends there to share the day, not complete and total strangers.  I keep trying to include them in other ways, like with parts of the menu, and the cake.  I have asked my future step mother in law if she would like to come with me to look at wedding dresses.  She was all excited about looking for dresses until she found out it would mean driving 2 hours to where my mother lives along with all of my bridesmaids.  I understand she may not want to take the drive, but she does not want part in anything else now either... Which is also fine with me, but behind my fiancé and my back they end up talking about us saying that we don't include them in anything.  I am getting so frustrated, because I cannot please everyone no matter how hard I try... I just am at  loss and am getting to the point where I want to throw my hands up and tell everyone that they will not be invited to a wedding, because I'd rather elope at this point.  What should I do to get the in laws off our back?
    tl;dr = bride's future in-laws are throwing a fit because they want 100+ guests to be on the guest list when they're only allotted about 30-40 people. Bride's parents are paying for the wedding (very traditional--they are insisting on paying for the whole wedding) and this is a no-go. Bride made the mistake of sharing the official guest list with the in-laws who are angry that they can't have all their guests there. In-laws are now fucking pissed and are being assholes (when the bride tries to include them, they say no, and then complain that they're not included).
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  • First, some thoughts:

    1) You need to invite all significant others of guests. None of this "serious committed relationship" wishy-washy-ness. It's totally fine not to let single guests bring +1s, but it's not okay to not let Billy bring Suzie because they're not married or they've only been together for 5 months or you haven't met her.

    2) You've made some mis-steps, which is contributing to your problems. Like showing your in-laws the guest list. But you know you've made those mis-steps, and more importantly: your mis-steps do not entitle the to treat you like this. So yeah, you shouldn't have shown them the guest list, but they should back way the fuck off and leave you alone about it. Yes, you want to avoid more mis-steps (this is about handling them as they are and not wishing they could be not-ridiculous about all this), but you're not causing this behavior.

    My advice:

    It's time for a business meeting with your fiance to talk about his parents. Parents, step-parents, whatever. Basically, his people. You need to come up with a game plan. You don't mention him a lot in your post. Has he been with you every step of the way as you've dealt with these issues? What DID he say to his parents to try to get them to back off? This can't be each of you going against them alone. You have to decide together what you want to do, and then DO that. Together.

    You may decide, "We have this giant list of people. We are not inviting all of them. We will decide who from this list gets invited and who doesn't; we will not ask your/my parents who they'd prefer us to invite." After all, they DID say you had to invite everyone or no one, so they're not helpful anyway. And then stick together; if The In-Laws try to offer you input into the guest list, both of you can say, "Sorry. [Fiance(e)] and I have decided not to talk about the guest list with anyone. We will decide who to invite." And then end the conversation.

    You are a team. Act like a team. This goes for all wedding stuff--dealing with his parents, dealing with your parents, handling that slightly-off relative that we ALL have who will want to sing at the reception. Make the decision together and handle it together. I find this very useful with vendors. "I'll have to talk this over with my fiance. I'll let you know when we've made a decision."

    Stop trying to include his family. They are not happy about the wedding. Sorry. They're angry with you (and hopefully your fiance, too, because you are a team), you won't give them what they want, and they're going to punish you for it. You're trying to show them that you still care about them, and their behavior amounts to telling you to shove it. Stop rewarding them by inviting them. They're going to tell people you didn't include them anyway, so you might as well stop including them. And if they ask, "Why haven't you included us?" tell them, "Here are the times I tried and you always said no, so I stopped asking."

    Deal with your family, too. You're a team in the face of adversity, right? So you and your partner need to be a team when dealing with your family, too. It's tougher; they're paying, and they're making demands. Do you LIKE the demands? Does your fiance?

    You say that you keep wishing you could elope; I suggest considering paying for your own wedding. That turns things into "Us versus our parents" instead of "Our families are at war and we have to pick sides." Look at your finances before you let your parents make any additional deposits; could you pay for things yourself? Could you pay for a smaller wedding on your terms even if you had to cover the lost original venue deposit? I know this might not be feasible, but it's something to consider.

    And you (with your fiance, obviously) might also want to consider sitting down with your parents and talking to them about what you and your fiance want out of this whole "Families At War" situation. Yes, you also want to keep things small, so the guest list is definitely not something to cave on. But it really sounds like your parents are Going To Do Things Their Way, and if his parents want something else, well, they're not paying, so they don't get Their Way. Maybe there are some things that his parents want that the two of you want, too. If you approach the subject as trying to find ways (as a group) to help ease tensions, you might have some success. Honestly, it sounds like your mom wants the wedding to be a certain way, and is treating her opinions as if they are automatically the right thing for you and your fiance. (For example, your mother does not want lots of extended family present, and convinces you by telling you that it's YOUR day and you shouldn't have to share it with strangers. That is her opinion talking, not yours.)

    Finally, breathe. Calm down. Use paragraphs. Your thoughts sound extremely disorganized, which is why your post is soooo long and unreadable. Don't worry so much about the specifics, like all of the ways you accidentally convinced your in-laws that they had control over the guest list, or exactly how many guests people are allowed to invite.

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  • @KnotPorscha -- close, please? Zombie thread.
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  • WELL I feel like an idiot then.
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  • @phira -- but your advice was really good! Just probably too late for OP.
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