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PPD Dilmena

Hi all,

Kind of a unique situation here.  My fiance and I (same-sex couple, both guys) have been together for over six years.  We are not married, but are in the process of trying to adopt a child.  

We live in California and now can get legally married.  BUT our adoption agency is counseling us to wait until AFTER we adopt.  The reason is that we could potentially adopt a child from any state in the country, but a good number of states would not let us adopt as a same-sex married couple.  They will let us adopt as an unmarried couple.  Ironic, I know...

Adopting will take an indefinite period of time.  We could be matched with a birth mother next month, next year or in a few years.

But while we are willing to wait until we have a baby to get married, we really do not want to wait an indefinite period of time to at least have a commitment celebration of some sort.  Plus, once we have a baby, it will be quite difficult to have a wedding of the type we would want to have.

So, we came up with the following plan:

1) Have a relatively small commitment ceremony and reception in January 2014.  For our purposes, this will be our wedding.

2) Once we have adopted, we would have a "welcome baby" party (very casual), that we could pair with a recognition of being legally married.  We wouldn't want any formal ceremony.  We were just thinking a larger party for people to come meet the baby and also celebrate the fact that we could now get legally married.  Probably a barbecue in a local park or something like that.  We would make this a much larger event than our commitment ceremony/wedding (which would only be close family and a few friends).

My fear is that celebration #2 would come off as a PPD.  Personally, I would only have celebration #2 be a "welcome baby" party, which I know other people have.  But my FIL's desperately want us to have SOME celebration of our marriage to which all extended family, etc, are invited.

Any feedback would be appreciated.

Thanks!

Re: PPD Dilmena

  • I'm not a fan of combining parties. The Welcome Baby party she be focused on welcoming the baby.
    Any party you guys have for your nuptials should be focused on you. This is honestly for the benefit of you and your guests.
    I mean, do they bring a gift for the baby for the couple, it's awkward. And you and your fiancee SHOULD get a day to yourselves to celebrate your marriage. A day. One. I'd pick one day and go with it.
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  • This is a little tougher than most PPDs. Since you live in CA and can legally get married, than the commitment ceremony would technically be the PPD since it is not the legal ceremony. I know a woman who is still legally married to her first husband but has had two "weddings" with her "second husband". Normally I wouldn't compare with a same sex couple since few states recognize them as a legal married couple but since you are one of the fortunate couples that can it changes my opinion. Most couples who have a PPD got married for some sort of benefit and your basically doing the same, except not getting married.
    I agree that you should have your own day and let baby have hers or his own welcome party. Why would it be difficult to have the wedding you want after the baby arrives? If the concern is money maybe you could start a separate savings account for the wedding. One that you both agree not to touch except for the wedding.
  • I'm surprised the adoption agency says to wait.  I would think that someone would want their baby adopted into a happily married couple, regardless of their genders.  But if that is what they recommend, I would go with their suggestion. 

    I also think the welcome baby party should be a separate event from the celebration of your marriage.  Do you think that instead of the welcome baby party, you could just have your wedding?  Your baby would be there, so your family and friends could all get to meet him/her, but the celebration would be clearly about the two of you and your marriage. 
  • I'd wait, but I do think that you should keep the "welcome baby" event separate from your wedding.
  • Thanks for all of the thoughtful comments.  I don't really disagree with the consensus here, except for one thing: Planning and experiencing a wedding with a newborn really would be difficult and the type of event we could have would be very different than the one we would otherwise want.  Worrying about things like nappings, feedings, etc would significantly impact the experience.

    My preference would simply be to plan our wedding for January, as planned, and not have a second "wedding" event.  We would still have a welcome baby party when the baby is born, but there would be no "wedding" component to it.

    Separately, we would have the equivalent of a courthouse wedding to make things legal after the baby is born, but no party, no nothing.  Just the legal formalities.

    That would still mean that our "wedding" would be just a commitment ceremony with no legal effect.  But I would hope our attendees would be understanding of this under the circumstances.

    I don't think there would be any PPD issue under this scenario...
  • I say have your commitment ceremony. Then have a welcome baby party. Then get legally married if you can on your anniversary of your commitment ceremony.
  • dis1010 said:

    Thanks for all of the thoughtful comments.  I don't really disagree with the consensus here, except for one thing: Planning and experiencing a wedding with a newborn really would be difficult and the type of event we could have would be very different than the one we would otherwise want.  Worrying about things like nappings, feedings, etc would significantly impact the experience.


    My preference would simply be to plan our wedding for January, as planned, and not have a second "wedding" event.  We would still have a welcome baby party when the baby is born, but there would be no "wedding" component to it.

    Separately, we would have the equivalent of a courthouse wedding to make things legal after the baby is born, but no party, no nothing.  Just the legal formalities.

    That would still mean that our "wedding" would be just a commitment ceremony with no legal effect.  But I would hope our attendees would be understanding of this under the circumstances.

    I don't think there would be any PPD issue under this scenario...
    As you recognize, your wedding in January wouldn't be a wedding. It would be a commitment ceremony. And I'm just not sure of the point of those when you legally can get married, you just need to wait. Your situation just isn't unique because plenty of couples have open ended engagements.
    Your only reason is that you want all the bells and whistles, but it comes off as AWish.
    Your situation also isn't unique because plenty of people have weddings with all the bells and whistles with children. You might want to wait a few years so you won't have to worry so much about feedings and diapers.

    My heart absolutely goes out to you. Adoption is tricky enough for straight couples, homosexual couples have it tougher. I understand you're facing a lot of uncertainity and that would leave anyone feeling anxious. I think you should spend your time focusing on as many adoption options as possible and look around to see if there are any other gay friendly adoption groups, rather than planning a PPD right now.
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  • I think as long as you're upfront with people that the first ceremony won't be legally binding, I think you're fine. If you check out PPD threads here, the biggest issue is when people lie about it. 

    Wishing you all the best with your adoption process!
  • edited August 2013
    Could you make the party in January a large engagement party? Inviting all the inlaws and such. And you could include a commitment ceremony as well, I think.
  • I'm opposed to PPD for any and everyone EXCEPT same sex couples...because of the legalities and prejudice faced by same sex couples. If getting married now would hinder your chances of adopting, then I'd do things exactly as you are planning....call the post-baby celebration a celebration of your new, legal family.
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  • dis1010 said:
    Thanks for all of the thoughtful comments.  I don't really disagree with the consensus here, except for one thing: Planning and experiencing a wedding with a newborn really would be difficult and the type of event we could have would be very different than the one we would otherwise want.  Worrying about things like nappings, feedings, etc would significantly impact the experience.

    My preference would simply be to plan our wedding for January, as planned, and not have a second "wedding" event.  We would still have a welcome baby party when the baby is born, but there would be no "wedding" component to it.

    Separately, we would have the equivalent of a courthouse wedding to make things legal after the baby is born, but no party, no nothing.  Just the legal formalities.

    That would still mean that our "wedding" would be just a commitment ceremony with no legal effect.  But I would hope our attendees would be understanding of this under the circumstances.

    I don't think there would be any PPD issue under this scenario...
    I'd go with this.
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  • I would just wait. I have been planning for the wedding of my (and FI haha) dreams for a few years, and nearly there... and now we have a baby due in Jan! Does that mean I still can't have the wedding I want? No! We are going to wait till maybe the Jan after baby, she will be a year old,, and one of our mums can be in charge or her for the day. It really doesn't have to be a big deal. 
  • I agree with whoever suggested having the commitment ceremony now and then going to the courthouse on that same date in the future. That way you won't have two dates.

     

    The adoption agency- is it other agencies that won't qualify you or the courts themselves? What about putting your profile out there and attempting a private adoption? I would at least get the opinion of another agency and/or lawyer about the marriage stuff before making a final decision

    After 6 years and 2 boys, finally tying the knot on October 27th, 2013!

  • I don't have an answer, but I do want to say congratulations!  I hope that you can have your whole family (adopted baby and new hubby) together very soon!
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