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Swazzle · September 2013

I am bored and can't stop staring at the clock (I'm stuck here until around noon).

I really want a bloody mary right now.

[Deleted User] · September 2013

@swazzle- I'm jealous you get to leave at noon. A bloody mary sounds awesome right now.

I have two confessions to make and I just need to say them ( I know this isn't a confession thread but oh well).

1. I was offered to come in for a face to face interview with a company today and I emailed them on Wednesday and told them that I'm not interested when I really should have probably done it. The job is close to home and I would be getting paid more but it's completely unrelated to my background and I feel like I probably be bored as anything with it...I'm a little peeved with myself.

2. I looked at my registry...and I feel guilty because now I know what I may be getting at my shower tomorrow. I feel like a kid on Christmas who opened their presents early...

Stina51286 · September 2013

Can I join you?

queenofhearts1728 · September 2013

i'm jealous you get to leave at noon!

I am hoping today goes by fast. I am hoping even harder than my boss lets us out a little early today. She likes to leave 15-30 mins early on Fridays, but has the inability to go home before her employees (she's here first and last every day). So she makes us go home before she will leave. But it's not always... and it's been happening far too many fridays in a row, so i'm thinking i'll be stuck here until 5.

Swazzle · September 2013

@southerpeach89 - I actually really regret checking my registry but I really couldn't help myself. At my shower, the gifts that weren't on my registry were so much more fun to open because they were a complete surprise.

@stina - Yes ma'am. I've got the bloody marys covered, what are you bringing to the party?

Also, I lied. @audrewuh and @elle1036 are on their way back from the city so I'm leaving before noon!

cu97tiger · September 2013

I don't remember being disappointed at my showers. I guess because I knew what was on my registry, it wasn't a 'surprise' anyway, whether I knew it was purchased or not. Does that make sense?

@swazzle - I'm so so so sad I'm not going. It was the right choice to make (Toby has his next chemo early next week and as my other thread suggests, money is an issue right now) but I'm still so sad that I'm missing an awesome time with you ladies.

Stina51286 · September 2013

Good question. There are so many possibilties on what to bring!

[Deleted User] · September 2013

I won't be disappointed since FI and I would be excited to get anything we receive from our registry. I just wish I had more will power not to cheat and see what was bought.

doubleSS07 · September 2013

I'd love a bloody mary right now too but I'd love it more if it was with you 3 ladies!

I was offered the permanant position here. I took it because it will be helpful when we finally can buy a house and I need a job but I'm not THAT excited about it. They havent mentioned compensation yet but I need it to be more than I agreed on as a temp. I hate the awkward money conversations because I'm a wimp and usually give in to less and then feel bad later. Anyone have any ideas on how to be more firm in a negotiation...if there is one?

Blackbird230 · September 2013

@Swazzle joining the bored club. I'm in here until 3.

queenofhearts1728 · September 2013

doubleSS07 said: I'd love a bloody mary right now too but I'd love it more if it was with you 3 ladies!I was offered the permanant position here. I took it because it will be helpful when we finally can buy a house and I need a job but I'm not THAT excited about it. They havent mentioned compensation yet but I need it to be more than I agreed on as a temp. I hate the awkward money conversations because I'm a wimp and usually give in to less and then feel bad later. Anyone have any ideas on how to be more firm in a negotiation...if there is one? This was me with my most recent job. I felt grateful they were even offering me a position because I started as an intern, and jumped over to another low level position just so I could stay with the company, so at that point, I had technically gotten two 'raises' in a year by switching positions. They told me how much the position paid, I just said OK! It was less than I wanted to make, but I took it because I liked the company and the job.

A friend of mine recently told me that she didn't realize how easy it was to negotiate her pay. she accepted a job she didn't really care about just because it was for a company she wanted to be with long-term. When they asked how much she wanted, she told them exactly how much because she refused to take a pay cut just to get into the company. (I know a lot of places say not to state how much you want outright, but it worked for in this case). They ended up offering her more than she asked. She said she felt like it worked because she didn't care much about THAT position so she didn't have any anxiety over stating what she wanted. And, if they turned her down and offered less, she could always just accept it if she really wanted to be with that company. The worse thing they can say is no, right?

labro · September 2013

doubleSS07 said:

I'd love a bloody mary right now too but I'd love it more if it was with you 3 ladies!

I was offered the permanant position here. I took it because it will be helpful when we finally can buy a house and I need a job but I'm not THAT excited about it. They havent mentioned compensation yet but I need it to be more than I agreed on as a temp. I hate the awkward money conversations because I'm a wimp and usually give in to less and then feel bad later. Anyone have any ideas on how to be more firm in a negotiation...if there is one?

Here's my $0.02. I work in the staffing industry right now and I can pretty much say with confidence that you can and should expect at least some sort of pay raise when you move from temp to perm. This is usually because the company you are going perm with has been paying a bill rate to the company that staffed you and now that they are no longer paying the higher rate they can afford to give you more. They'll also sometimes do it just because they've invested in you and they want to keep you around long term so they're willing to give more to do that. You can always negotiate for more within reason and the worst they can do is say no. It helps to give xyz reasons for why you would like/need more too.

Now for my experience. I started temp in my job and when I became perm I moved from being hourly to salaried w/ OT and I got a small raise as well. Something like $2 or maybe $3 more an hour if you worked out the math. With my new job that I'm starting in a couple of weeks I decided to not negotiate on the salary because the compensation they offered is nearly twice what I make now. Getting into this company was more important to me than trying to argue over earning $3 or $4k extra a year...especially because I have minimal experience going in.

My boyfriend's experience has been different. He recently accepted a promotion. He moved from being salaried w/OT to salary only with the promotion. The salary they offered him for the new job was basically the equivalent (and maybe a little bit less) than what he was making with his OT in the old job. Because the new job requires more experience, responsiblity, on-call weekends, etc. he decided they were screwing him over with the offered salary. His new boss told him to write a letter to HR reequesting a different amount and to give his reasons for doing so. He counter-offered for an additional 11k above what they initially offered him and they accepted. He gave the reasons I listed above and it worked. Now he feels like he should have asked for more since they accepted so easily and without any argument but oh well.

Basically, if you want more the best time to negotiate for it is right now. If you accept without counter-offering and then try to go back a few weeks or months later and ask for more you're going to have a hard time of it. The next best time after your initial job offer that they may be more amenable to a raise is after your 1 yr anniversary as a perm employee. Like others have said the worst they can do is say no or counter-offer.

phira · September 2013

Omg in the woooooorst talk right now ...

There's a grad student in my friend's lab who's so incompetent. Her talk is supposed to be about the research she's done in the past year, and all she has are bad explanations of her field and other people's research. She even included a graph that my friend MADE UP as an example, that isn't actually real. Oy.

After this, I have class till 2:30, and then I have till 5 to get work done until our welcome party for the new students. Free booze!

cu97tiger · September 2013

doubleSS07 said:

I'd love a bloody mary right now too but I'd love it more if it was with you 3 ladies!
I was offered the permanant position here. I took it because it will be helpful when we finally can buy a house and I need a job but I'm not THAT excited about it. They havent mentioned compensation yet but I need it to be more than I agreed on as a temp. I hate the awkward money conversations because I'm a wimp and usually give in to less and then feel bad later. Anyone have any ideas on how to be more firm in a negotiation...if there is one?

Come prepared. Do some research about what your new position is, the required skills, and take into consideratino the time you've already put into the company (i.e. how little they'll need to train you to do the job).

There are very few circumstances where you should ever NOT negotiate. Even if all you do is negotiate for more vacation time or increased health care benefits, you have to realize that a majority of employers never give their best offer right off the bat. Knowing that, you shouldn't feel bad at all with saying 'I was hoping for something closer to x, with y vacation days.' If you do it in a respectful manner, no one is going to fault you for it.

Also, here's a scenario for you. Let's assume you're 25, you'll get promoted every three years (5% bump) and get 2.5% raises every other year. If you get even $1,000 more from negotiating (we'll say from $25k to $26k) this first job, you'll make an extra $37,000 in 20 years. So while $1,000 doesn't seem like much now, over the course of your career, it really adds up. Always always ALWAYS negotiate.

IrishDreamer · September 2013

Something is in the water today, I swear to God..... It's got to be a Piss Irish off day that I'm not aware of. Service manager is being a douche, almost got into a head on collision leaving work for lunch because some dumb bitch was driving down the wrong side of the road, spent an her trying to explain a coworkers screw up to different customers that I know makes no sense to them...... I could keep going...... Uuuuuuuuugh. I'm also extremely cranky because I'm waiting on a call to see if my best friend will be the new forever home for my pupster, I just want to leave work and commence to the drinking,,,,

leia1979 · September 2013

@queenofhearts1728 - women in general are less likely to negotiate. I'm guilty of this, too, but my last job offered more than I was expecting, so I just said yes. (I also work for a big company where benefits and vacation are standard--only the salary and stock options could be negotiated.)

Here's a video on the subject: http://leanin.org/education/negotiation/

I don't really feel like doing anything today. I was reasonably productive this week, but I also need to have a lot of things done before I go on vacation.

doubleSS07 · September 2013

Thanks ladies!

@queenofhearts- I kind of feel the way your friend does right now...it's an industry I don't really want to stay in so I'm not that inclined to stay necessarily if the pay scale doesn't match up.

@Imhollister - I'm hoping that because they were paying the temp agency about $8-10 more per hour than what I'm actually getting that there will be room for negotiation to at least come up a couple dollars. I took $1 less an hour as a temp because it was an easy job to jump in to, I did the same exact thing at my last job so there was virtually no training necessary.

@cu97tiger - Thanks! I did do some research and found that what I am hoping for is actually right at the median for this area and this type of job. Plus I am hoping to negotiate the fact that I am not taking their health benefits so that's less out of pocket for them as well. I feel like I'll be highly offended if they are insistant on keeping me at the same rate with a "promise" of a possible raise after a review. I've been there before only to get squat! This is a mid sized company and I feel they are a little tight in their admin pay scale. I know that I bring more to the table though than most the admin type staff because I needed no training, I have a degree and management experience. They already told me they'd like to groom me for a management position.

queenofhearts1728 · September 2013

leia1979 said:

@queenofhearts1728 - women in general are less likely to negotiate. I'm guilty of this, too, but my last job offered more than I was expecting, so I just said yes. (I also work for a big company where benefits and vacation are standard--only the salary and stock options could be negotiated.)

Same here for the benefits/vacation bit. The company I'm at is actually very generous on those fronts.

I think the hard part for me is, up until now, I had never actually made a decent salary, so I felt guilty asking for one. At least going forward I can feel comfortable asking for something that at least matches what I make now, and I could justify an increase as well.

queenofhearts1728 · September 2013

doubleSS07 said:

Thanks ladies!
@queenofhearts- I kind of feel the way your friend does right now...it's an industry I don't really want to stay in so I'm not that inclined to stay necessarily if the pay scale doesn't match up.
couldn't get out of the box haha!

I vote you just ask for what you want, then! My friend said not caring made her way more gutsy, and since she got better than she asked, she feels way more comfortable asking in the future. If nothing else, it could be a practice run at negotiation tactics

doubleSS07 · September 2013

@Imhollister: you have PM

labro · September 2013

@doubleSS07 YGPM

[Deleted User] · September 2013

cu97tiger said:

doubleSS07 said:

I'd love a bloody mary right now too but I'd love it more if it was with you 3 ladies!
I was offered the permanant position here. I took it because it will be helpful when we finally can buy a house and I need a job but I'm not THAT excited about it. They havent mentioned compensation yet but I need it to be more than I agreed on as a temp. I hate the awkward money conversations because I'm a wimp and usually give in to less and then feel bad later. Anyone have any ideas on how to be more firm in a negotiation...if there is one?

Come prepared. Do some research about what your new position is, the required skills, and take into consideratino the time you've already put into the company (i.e. how little they'll need to train you to do the job).

There are very few circumstances where you should ever NOT negotiate. Even if all you do is negotiate for more vacation time or increased health care benefits, you have to realize that a majority of employers never give their best offer right off the bat. Knowing that, you shouldn't feel bad at all with saying 'I was hoping for something closer to x, with y vacation days.' If you do it in a respectful manner, no one is going to fault you for it.

Also, here's a scenario for you. Let's assume you're 25, you'll get promoted every three years (5% bump) and get 2.5% raises every other year. If you get even $1,000 more from negotiating (we'll say from $25k to $26k) this first job, you'll make an extra $37,000 in 20 years. So while $1,000 doesn't seem like much now, over the course of your career, it really adds up. Always always ALWAYS negotiate.

unless you're a federal civilian employee. and then there are no such things as promotions, raises, or bonuses. you will, however, experience furloughs, sequestration, and pay-cuts. possibly even a shutdown if you're really lucky.

in all seriousness, my H works in the private sector and does receive promotions/raises/bonuses similar to what @cu97tiger described. every bit does add up and make a difference!

cu97tiger · September 2013

queenofhearts1728 said:

leia1979 said:

@queenofhearts1728 - women in general are less likely to negotiate. I'm guilty of this, too, but my last job offered more than I was expecting, so I just said yes. (I also work for a big company where benefits and vacation are standard--only the salary and stock options could be negotiated.)

Same here for the benefits/vacation bit. The company I'm at is actually very generous on those fronts.

I think the hard part for me is, up until now, I had never actually made a decent salary, so I felt guilty asking for one. At least going forward I can feel comfortable asking for something that at least matches what I make now, and I could justify an increase as well.

I do not get this at all. There have been a lot of studies of why women make less money than men, and one of the hypotheses is that women are too 'nice.' Have you ever heard a man say 'I felt bad asking for more money'? Hell no. The best thing you can do for your career and finances is to stop feeling like your company is doing you a favor by paying you. You're working hard for that money, so you should act like it. If you don't respect yourself, they won't respect you.

queenofhearts1728 · September 2013

cu97tiger said:

queenofhearts1728 said:

leia1979 said:

@queenofhearts1728 - women in general are less likely to negotiate. I'm guilty of this, too, but my last job offered more than I was expecting, so I just said yes. (I also work for a big company where benefits and vacation are standard--only the salary and stock options could be negotiated.)

Same here for the benefits/vacation bit. The company I'm at is actually very generous on those fronts.

I think the hard part for me is, up until now, I had never actually made a decent salary, so I felt guilty asking for one. At least going forward I can feel comfortable asking for something that at least matches what I make now, and I could justify an increase as well.

I do not get this at all. There have been a lot of studies of why women make less money than men, and one of the hypotheses is that women are too 'nice.' Have you ever heard a man say 'I felt bad asking for more money'? Hell no. The best thing you can do for your career and finances is to stop feeling like your company is doing you a favor by paying you. You're working hard for that money, so you should act like it. If you don't respect yourself, they won't respect you.

oh, i know my logic was flawed. I've gotten over that. I've got the experience now and I feel strongly about what I'm worth.

I think - for me anyway - the big fear-inducer in negotiating salary was because I was entry-level. I didn't feel like I had the leverage to truly get what I wanted. I couldn't use my experience as an argument for higher pay because it was limited. My skills may have warranted a small increase, but I didn't have that experience to truly back up those skills yet.

I'm a technical writer, and I maintain a portfolio of my work, but at the time it was all from school. I had projects that were done for actual clients, which held some weight, but it still wasn't the same as actual job experience.

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