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Is it time to just hold my tongue?

Alright ladies, I am in need of some serious advice. I need to know if I am being a bad friend, if i need to keep my thoughts to myself, if I need to give some tough love, I need advice. I am open to any and all of it. I would like to stress that I am asking for this advice becasue I am truly worried.

I am the MOH for a friend's wedding. I love her dearly and she is like my sister.  When she got engaged almost a year ago, I couldnt say enough kind words about the future groom. He was wonderful. Fast forward a year and, I haven't heard her say a happy thing or a kind thing he has done in months. He has called off the wedding numerous times out of anger. And has stated multiple times he hates her family. I brought my concerns to her mother a few months ago when things really seemed to hit a low. I was worried about my friend and didn't know how to bring the subject up. All she talked about was the wedding and always seemed to brush off, what I feel are, very red flags.  Her mother addressed the issue with my friend and her fiance since she said she was concerned too and he agreed that he would seek counseling for his communication issues. She has remained relatively quiet about how they are since then. I think in part becasue she doesn't want us to think unfavorable of him but, brings up issues every now and then. For example: "I think he is pushing me away. I spent last night getting trying to get on his good side so he will still want to go through with the wedding, He keeps saying he is nervous about the wedding and work and that is why he is so short with me, He never wants to talk and when I bring up a subject he doesnt like he leaves. etc." I hear these exact statements, in rotation, every week. I usually just listen and try not to pass judgement. I know there are two sides to everything. But I cannot stand to see her so stressed all the time.

Here is where I feel like an awful friend. This has been going on for over six months. I find myself reaching the point where I want to just say "Either do something about it, or quit bringing it up. I am honestly getting tired of even hearing it." I feel like a bad friend because I am losing my sympathy for the situation. It is hard for me to be supportive and plan and put on this happy face when she keeps feeding me all the negative. Is this normal for me to question the strength of their relationship or whether this marriage will even last? I am at the point where I just shake my head and question her sanity. Is she so deperate for a wedding that she just doesn't see what's in front or her and how unhealthy it really is? Or does she really just think a wedding will make it all better?

Despite it all, I would not go so far as to say they shouldn't get married but I strongly feel they should postpone the wedding until they can work on these communication issues. They both NEED to go to counseling, together. It is unhealthy for her to always be wondering if he really wants to marry her. With everything she has told me, I feel like he has been backed into a corner and some of these issues are stemming from the wedding fever that has taken over their house. I know the marriage idea was really pushed on her end. Four months in and she was sendng him pictures of rings and asking in front of friends when he would propose. I used to cringe when she did that. He is a very quiet man and really does keep to himself. I know that neither of them had really dated much though both are a bit older. I wonder if the excitement of being with someone fueled the proposal and now that the honeymoon phase is ending, he is feeling the pressure. He is feeling that his concerns aren't being listened to and this is casuing him to lash out. I think that they are both very kind people but there is a huge maturity issue and the lack of communication is going to be the end of them if they don't deal with it. My question is: What do I do? I have told her I feel they would both benefit from counseling and help. But I am really worried about this. I dont know what advice to offer her And, I dont know I feel about standing up for her given their current standing. What do you suggest? Should I just stay quiet and smile like a good friend? Should I say something more?

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Re: Is it time to just hold my tongue?

  • Beth5246 said:

    Alright ladies, I am in need of some serious advice. I need to know if I am being a bad friend, if i need to keep my thoughts to myself, if I need to give some tough love, I need advice. I am open to any and all of it. I would like to stress that I am asking for this advice becasue I am truly worried.

    I am the MOH for a friend's wedding. I love her dearly and she is like my sister.  When she got engaged almost a year ago, I couldnt say enough kind words about the future groom. He was wonderful. Fast forward a year and, I haven't heard her say a happy thing or a kind thing he has done in months. He has called off the wedding numerous times out of anger. And has stated multiple times he hates her family. I brought my concerns to her mother a few months ago when things really seemed to hit a low. I was worried about my friend and didn't know how to bring the subject up. All she talked about was the wedding and always seemed to brush off, what I feel are, very red flags.  Her mother addressed the issue with my friend and her fiance since she said she was concerned too and he agreed that he would seek counseling for his communication issues. She has remained relatively quiet about how they are since then. I think in part becasue she doesn't want us to think unfavorable of him but, brings up issues every now and then. For example: "I think he is pushing me away. I spent last night getting trying to get on his good side so he will still want to go through with the wedding, He keeps saying he is nervous about the wedding and work and that is why he is so short with me, He never wants to talk and when I bring up a subject he doesnt like he leaves. etc." I hear these exact statements, in rotation, every week. I usually just listen and try not to pass judgement. I know there are two sides to everything. But I cannot stand to see her so stressed all the time.

    Here is where I feel like an awful friend. This has been going on for over six months. I find myself reaching the point where I want to just say "Either do something about it, or quit bringing it up. I am honestly getting tired of even hearing it." I feel like a bad friend because I am losing my sympathy for the situation. It is hard for me to be supportive and plan and put on this happy face when she keeps feeding me all the negative. Is this normal for me to question the strength of their relationship or whether this marriage will even last? I am at the point where I just shake my head and question her sanity. Is she so deperate for a wedding that she just doesn't see what's in front or her and how unhealthy it really is? Or does she really just think a wedding will make it all better?

    Despite it all, I would not go so far as to say they shouldn't get married but I strongly feel they should postpone the wedding until they can work on these communication issues. They both NEED to go to counseling, together. It is unhealthy for her to always be wondering if he really wants to marry her. With everything she has told me, I feel like he has been backed into a corner and some of these issues are stemming from the wedding fever that has taken over their house. I know the marriage idea was really pushed on her end. Four months in and she was sendng him pictures of rings and asking in front of friends when he would propose. I used to cringe when she did that. He is a very quiet man and really does keep to himself. I know that neither of them had really dated much though both are a bit older. I wonder if the excitement of being with someone fueled the proposal and now that the honeymoon phase is ending, he is feeling the pressure. He is feeling that his concerns aren't being listened to and this is casuing him to lash out. I think that they are both very kind people but there is a huge maturity issue and the lack of communication is going to be the end of them if they don't deal with it. My question is: What do I do? I have told her I feel they would both benefit from counseling and help. But I am really worried about this. I dont know what advice to offer her And, I dont know I feel about standing up for her given their current standing. What do you suggest? Should I just stay quiet and smile like a good friend? Should I say something more?

    Have you ever said anything to your friend about her relationship?
  • I have spoken to her a few times. It was never a serious sit down but, I have commented on how unhealthy certain things are.  I've told her I feel that both need to go to couseling to help resolve some of the communication issues. I feel like anything I say falls on deaf ears. I am meeting her today for coffe and for her to vent. I think I am going to have an honest conversation with her about my concerns. It's really just a mess and I dont know what to do becasue I dont want to tell her what to do but I am concerned about her happiness.
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  • MrsDeRuyter87MrsDeRuyter87 member
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    edited January 2014
    Honestly I know this might be way off but the groom has expressed concerns about the wedding and being nervous...could it be your friend is stressing him out financially? It could be that he is concerned your friend is planning a wedding that they cannot afford and so he is acting out in fear.
  • You need to be honest with your friend. Obviously, some tact is required, but there are major red flags here that she's choosing to ignore. For all you know, he may not even want to go through with the wedding (that's kinda what it sounds like to me).

    If she's not opening her eyes to everything, then you need to force her to take a look at her life and then have an open and honest conversation with her FI. She owes it to herself to not be blindsided later.


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  • I think it is time to have a more serious conversation with her.  Ask her if they are going to counseling and if so, how is it going?  Tell her that you love her and are concerned about her by the way she is always talking about her relationship in such negative ways.  Point out to her that its not fair that her FI always uses the threat of calling off the wedding to get his way.  Ask her why she thinks he does that.  Try to ask open ended questions and then let her talk.  It is possible that she wants to get married so bad that she is putting too much pressure on him - if that's the case, there is probably nothing you can say to her.
  • I do think he feels backed into a corner. While this doesn't excuse his behavior, I think it explains it a bit. There isn't any financial strain, she is paying for every bit of it and it isn't coming out of needed income. He is paying for the honeymoon. I'm at a total loss.

    I think you're right. I need to just be honest with her. After I am, if she still turns a blind eye, what do I do? Should I still stand with her on her wedding day to show support or do I bow out? Part of me feels that I should still stand, if she wants me, becasue she will feel I have abandoned her if i back out. But part of me also wonders how to stand if I dont support the realtionship as it currently stands. I am lost and want to offer supprt and be a good friend but, am confused and torn as to what I should do. It's a strange situation I never thought I would be in and all I want is for her to be treated with respect and loved. Idk.

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  • I would still stand for her, but I'd make it clear that I'm there only for her and not in support of their union. It could just be a rough patch and adjustment period for them, and it may work out just fine. On the other hand, it may not. However, you need to decide whether it's worth losing a friend over.

    I know I'm done a lot of stupid shit over the years, and my good friends stood by me even when I knew they disagreed, and I'm thankful and grateful to them for that. Looking back, they were right, and I appreciate them giving me a heads-up but also giving me space to make my own decisions and still being there to catch me when I fell.


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  • @pumpkinsandturkeys You are right. I will most likely be right there next to her because I do care and she is a wonderful friend. I can't help but want to knock her head right now. I don't think she should call off the wedding but I think postponing would be the mature thing to do. I think they need to reevaluate some things. Otherwise, I think her fiance feels like he's on a rollercoaster that he can't stop. Things have gotten progressively worse and it is sad to see. But you're right, we all do stupid crap and we need our friends to have our backs when we realize it. The thing that gets me, is that they really could be great together if they addressed the big issues. Unfortunately neither is willing to back down or do something productive.   

     I am meeting her after work and will bring up the concerns. I know it may not be received well but I will be very honest with my worries and feelings. The ball will be in her court then. If she still wants me next to her, I will be there. I would be hurt if she said the same about my fiance but at the end of the day, it would have been brought up becasue she cared. We'll see how it goes.

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  • I think you're doing the right thing by talking to her and being concerned. Just be prepared to stand by her when/if she doesn't listen. One of my very close friends since 3rd grade was engaged. She constantly told me how she hated his kids (shared custody), she hated dealing with his crazy ex-wife (regarding the kids), she hated his job, she hated his lack of affection, she admitted to me cheating on him before they were engaged and WHILE they were engaged. I obviously told her a million times not to go through with it but I could not convince her and she went through with it. I was not surprised when 9 months later she told me she was having an affair, getting divorced, and a few months later she was secretly married to and pregnant with the other man. I know the situations are a little different but my point is when people are set on something, they are set on going through with it no matter what anyone says. Just be there for her either way....I feel a loyalty to my friend because I've known her so long even though I do NOT condone what she did to the poor ex husband. It's not my business no matter how much I tried.

                                                                     

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  • I was MOH for a friend several years ago. She and her now-DH got married on the one-year anniversary of their first date. They rushed things because she was approaching 30, worried about being an old maid, etc.

    Since they got married (six years ago this June), she has not said one nice thing about him. She's meet with multiple divorce attorneys, she keeps talking about how she wants to leave him and he's a bad father (because they had a kid -- "to save their marriage" -- which of course never works), she's unhappy, etc.

    I finally -- after literally YEARS of her complaining -- said, "Look, I love you, but it is time for you to shit or get off the pot. Either make an adult decision that you're going to end your marriage, getting out and taking your daughter with you, or you're going to stop complaining to me about it. I have offered you advice until I am blue in the face. If you just want to complain, and not do anything, then find a therapist."

    She got offended -- which I knew would happen -- and stopped talking to me for a long, long time. She's still married -- she actually moved to follow his job, quitting her (better paying, more stable) job, so I don't know if I did any good, but I couldn't listen to it any longer.

    I am always in favour of being concerned lovingly, and expressing those concerns. My friend is more concerned about appearances ('How will it look if I divorce him after only two years of marriage?') and status (she once told me, 'Yeah, HisGirl, I know I'm in an unhappy, potentially abusive, marriage, but at least I'm married, and you're not, so I'm still one up on you') than she is about anything else, so I didn't expect it to do any good, but at least I said it. 

    I like your idea of sitting her down, telling her your concerns, and laying it out there for her -- because I agree that his behaviour is worrisome.
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    I'm gonna go with 'not my circus, not my monkeys.'
  • Well, we met for coffee. I let her vent (as was the point of our meeting) and vent some more. Her fiance called the wedding off and again and later apologized and it's back on. There have been some issues about finances and him borrowing money but wouldn't tell her why. The list seemed to go on and on. I listened quietly and tried to formulate my words. I took a lot of the advice from above (which I greatly appreciate) and told her how I felt. I told her I loved her and after listening for the last few months, I needed to tell her how how worried I was about the marriage. I told her I felt postponing the wedding would be a good option so they could both receive counseling and address the very serious issues between them. I said that sweeping issues under the rug wouldn't help and they wouldn't magically go away the day they got married. I admitted I was concerned that she was more worried about a wedding and being married than she was about the actual marriage. I then just point blank said "Please do not marry him right now. You two have some serious things that need to be worked out. If you don't address them, you wont make it. I love you and I can't stand seeing you constantly go through this. Honestly, I'm exhausted from hearing it. I am not a therapist. I am just a friend. I want you to be happy but, if you're more worried about having a wedding than you seriously have your priorities messed up. Please at least take this in and think about it". 
    Que the longest silence ever......She just looked at me and said, "I think you're right about the counseling. Have you ordered your bridesmaid dress yet? You know they have to be ordered next month. Speaking of which, do you want to go to Birmingham with me and look for shoes for you and the girls?" WHHHAAAAAAT?! After all that, that's all she had to say? 
    The subject went from shoes and hair styles to jewelry.  

    Now I'm home and I'm still shaking me head. Speechless. 
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  • @HisGirlFriday13- Like your friend, I am getting the feeling this is about having a wedding and appearances. We were talking the other week while out with friends and she told me she couldn't believe she would be her age and still not married and it was so embarrassing for her. I looked at her and said, "I am older than you." and walked away. You're right though, I FINALLY just had to tell her I'm not her therapist. I laughed when I read that you had said the same thing. I really don't understand people. Sometimes I wonder if she's just complaining to complain or if she really just wants a wedding. 
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  • edited January 2014
    So you laid all of that out there, and the only thing she said was, "You're right, I need counselling, but, obtw, did you order your BM dress and do you want to shoe-shop?"

    I think you now need to ask yourself if you still want to stand up for this girl at her wedding. If I had known at the time what serious problems my friend and her husband have, I would not have agreed to be a BM. 

    If you decide to stay in the wedding -- because you love her and want to support her or whatever -- then I think the next time she starts venting about him, you need to say to her, "I have told you what I think about you and this relationship, so I am not willing to listen to this anymore. Let's change the subject."

    ETA: You tagged me while I was writing. 

    It does seem like it's about appearances for her, so you just have to ask yourself if you're willing to shell out all that money to be a BM for what is an ill-thought-out attempt to just get a title and keep up appearances.
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  • bethsmilesbethsmiles member
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    I would still stand for her, but I'd make it clear that I'm there only for her and not in support of their union. It could just be a rough patch and adjustment period for them, and it may work out just fine. On the other hand, it may not. However, you need to decide whether it's worth losing a friend over.

    I know I'm done a lot of stupid shit over the years, and my good friends stood by me even when I knew they disagreed, and I'm thankful and grateful to them for that. Looking back, they were right, and I appreciate them giving me a heads-up but also giving me space to make my own decisions and still being there to catch me when I fell.
    If a friend said that to me, I would just ask her to step down altogether. I don't think you should stand up in someone's wedding if you do not support the relationship and the marriage.

    OP - I think you seriously need to consider if you want to be in this wedding. If you really don't think they should be getting married I think you should step down.


  • I would still stand for her, but I'd make it clear that I'm there only for her and not in support of their union. It could just be a rough patch and adjustment period for them, and it may work out just fine. On the other hand, it may not. However, you need to decide whether it's worth losing a friend over.

    I know I'm done a lot of stupid shit over the years, and my good friends stood by me even when I knew they disagreed, and I'm thankful and grateful to them for that. Looking back, they were right, and I appreciate them giving me a heads-up but also giving me space to make my own decisions and still being there to catch me when I fell.
    If a friend said that to me, I would just ask her to step down altogether. I don't think you should stand up in someone's wedding if you do not support the relationship and the marriage.

    OP - I think you seriously need to consider if you want to be in this wedding. If you really don't think they should be getting married I think you should step down.
    I did that for my best friend. She and I and her now-husband have known each other since high school, and he and I never liked each other. I find him to be lazy and selfish, and he has cheated on her multiple times (including when they were engaged).

    She knew that I was only there to support her and her happiness. I know that (somehow) he makes her feel happy and fulfilled, even though I'll never understand or agree. I was there for her, as her best friend, celebrating an important day in her life. I do not think that they should have gotten married, and maybe me being there is like saying I approve of the marriage. The way I chose to see it was that I'm supportive of her and will always be by her side, even when we disagree. She and I both said our piece about it, we respected each other's opinions, and we left it at that. We're both glad that I was there that day, in that capacity.


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  • If she wants me there. I will stand with her. I know she is a grown woman, I just worry.  Do I support the marriage at this moment? No. But, I do believe if they address this, then they could make this work. They are both kind people but I think she has gotten wrapped up and is not listening and he feels backed into a corner and is lashing out. When they were dating, I only wanted them to be together. They used to really complement each other.
     When I spoke with her, I didn't say, "this guy is a jerk and get rid of him." I told her that as things stand right now, they don't need to get married and maybe they should postpone the wedding to work through some things. Having a wedding wont fix this. They have to both make an effort. If they actually address and get some help in communication, I think they could be great together. Anyone who is married or is getting married knows that the communication has to be there for it to work. I love her and I want her to be happy. But, from what I'm hearing right now, she isn't. She didn't leave angry. She hugged me and we made plans to get together for coffee next week. Maybe she will think on it and maybe she will talk to him.  
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  • @beth5246 Holy bananas you got bean dipped.
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