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Pushy FSMIL and guest list...thoughts? update

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edited January 2014 in Wedding Etiquette Forum

UPDATE 1/19/2014: As previously mentioned, we made the command decision not to invite FSMIL's siblings to the wedding (FSMIL's brother is a racist jerk whom FI did not anywhere near our wedding. We agreed to invite FSMIL's sister and hubs, only to have FSMIL pushing us PA to get all her fam in; realized she would not let up, and it would ultimately cause offense to invite one and not the other). FI had sent text to his dad, saying neither would be invited, and got a response of "it's your wedding, your call." We were under the impression that he told his wife, as she was distant for a few days/weeks.

Tonight, we had FFIL, FSMIL, FBIL, and FSIL over for dinner/ FBIL's bday. FBIL and FSIL are getting married in September, and naturally, the convo turned generally to wedding stuff. I told them about my numbering rsvp cards and creating a spreadsheet, as well as the fact that we had a lot still to wait on (deadline is 1 mo from today). FSMIL asked if we'd heard from her fam. We said we got her Dad's (and told her he was invited to the RD). She inquired about her sibs, and FI told her we had not sent them invites. (I did say we had wanted to talk to her about that when she'd sent the texts.)  FSMIL got quiet, but when FI went to handle some dishes, she went in there to question/grill him (after he's had several beers). It appears FFIL never told FSMIL about our decision. FI mentioned how little she said positively about the sibs, and that ultimately, it wasn't about her. She was quiet (aka didn't say a word to us) the rest of the evening, though I got two hugs from her before they all left, and FI got a very per functionary one. We're sure she's pissed, though she heard me when I went to the kitchen and said "I think FSMIL is upset, you need to talk to her more" to FI" because she called out "Don't worry about it."


FI is supposed to have lunch with her tomorrow (I did ask her where they were going, FSMIL said something along the lines of "idk where we are going, or if we are"). He feels he could have handled things better. I've said if she brings it up, to tell her we're sorry, didn't intend to hurt her feelings, but while we were ok with inviting the sister, we were not ok inviting brother; also say that her texts made it clear we couldn't invite one without the other, and we had to make the decision to not invite either, again emphasizing that this was not to hurt her. FI doesn't really want to mention the fact that his dad knew, as he doesn't want his Dad to get in trouble with FSMIL.

FI's feeling is that the wedding day is about the two of us being happy, but I am feeling bad that she found out like this (FI is of the belief that she knew, but is "faking" the surprise about it).

FI is interested to hear the thoughts of the knot ladies following this update, as am I. RSVPs are due in a month. Should we send the invite to the sister? Leave things as is? If FSMIL keeps the lunch date with FI, should he add anything to what I suggested if she brings it up? Or something else entirely?

 

Edited for more info: FI recalled her saying something to him in the kitchen along the lines of how now "she was going to look like a jerk/look bad." We think perhaps she jumped the gun and told her sibs they would be invited, and now she's got confirmation that they are not. FI wondered what we should do- I reminded him that it is on FSMIL to explain to her sibs, but the fact remains we sent invites at the 3 month mark in Dec., and received a prompt response from FSMIL's Dad. As noted below, FSMIL's brother lives with the father, and the sister and her husband live two doors down. They should be perceptive enough to realize if they haven't gotten an invite yet, they aren't getting one.

Re: Pushy FSMIL and guest list...thoughts? update

  • If you and your FI are okay with inviting the sister and her husband, then I'd go ahead and do so; otherwise, I'd invite neither.

    But beyond that, I'd drop it.  Your FI told her that it's not about her, and I think that the more said about it, the more it becomes about her (or at least she will see it that way).
  • Since my wedding is only a couple weeks away, I'm low on the patience-o-meter. She needs to get over it. I'm glad your FI is handling it. She (your fsmil) annoys me.
  • Your FSMIL needs to realize this is not her wedding. You and your FI already sent your invites, and it would be rude to send an invite now to the sister. I think since FFIL more or less told you that your decision was fine, you shouldn't worry about it. She will get over it. Though, I don't think it would have been terrible to just invite the sister and her husband, and not invite the brother. When you are an adult, you don't get invited to everything just because one of your siblings is.  Even among the family.
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  • Leave the invites alone.  If I were FI, I would be mad at FFIL because he apparently didn't warn his wife about the invites.  All he had to say was, Wife I just got off the phone with Chipmunk's FI and they won't be inviting your siblings to the wedding.  He would have been warning her without being the one to blame.  But he didn't and he created an awkward family dinner.
  • I missed the original of this story, so I don't understand how this affects her so much. Are her siblings in YOUR lives? If not, I don't understand why she thinks her family needs to be invited. My stepmother's siblings WERE in my life growing up, so if that's the case, then I get it. You don't need to invite these people if they are not in your life. It is not a family reunion. 
    What did you think would happen if you walked up to a group of internet strangers and told them to get shoehorned by their lady doc?~StageManager14
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  • I think your Fi should have told her directly, even after telling FFIL.
  • I'm with @cruffino. Let it go and don't invite the sister. My guess is she told the sister and brother they'd be invited and now she's realising she's going to look foolish.

    Also, while I respect your FI for not wanting to get his dad in trouble, this is all on him. It's not unreasonable for your FI to assume his father will relay relevant messages to his wife.
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    I'm gonna go with 'not my circus, not my monkeys.'
  • I agree with cruffino. Leave the guest list as it is. Personally it would be more of a slap in the face to me if I were B listed only because of some temper tantrum.
  • @Addie, for background:

    FSMIL's sibs were never part of FI's life. FI was over 18 and in the military when FFIL and FSMIL got married. FSMIL never says anything nice about the sibs, and while FI has met them, he does not like/cannot stand the brother (in FI's words, a racist jerk). (I've never met these people).

    FSMIL never ASKED us to invite them...she told her husband to tell us to invite them. They have not contributed any money to the wedding (to cover any pay and say issues). We discussed it, and FI and I were ok with inviting the sister. When talking to FSMIL, i said we could invite the sister, and I needed her address. at no point did i mention brother. Next week, I got a text from FSMIL with sisters address and brother's address. FI texted FFIL (his dad) to ask his thoughts on the best way to explain to FSMIL (FFILs wife) that the brother was not on the guest list. A day later, I had another text from FMSIL of "for my side its my sister, sisters hubs, brother, and dad."

    FI is now super pissed, sends a text to his dad saying that now only FSMIL's Dad was invited (FFIL and FSMIL previously put us on the spot on that one, saying something to us about inviting the father when he's standing right there). FFIL responds along the lines of "it's your wedding, invite whom you want." We were under the impression he said something to his wife, esp as she was kinda chilly for a few weeks after that.

    @Jen, we were willing to talk to her about it, but every signal we got (also believing FFIL had said something) indicated she didn't want to talk about it. The RSVPs are due one month from yesterday. Additionally, we realized when we got the addresses that the brother lives with the father (who's received his invite and responded) and the sister and her husband live two trailers away (I'm not being snarky, they all literally live on a dirt road with 3 trailers, and one trailer in between the sister and the brother and dad is occupied by a different family), so he'd notice that he wasn't invited.

    FSMIL has now cancelled lunch with FI today. I also think she will now decline my invitation for her to join my mom and I dress shopping for MOB/MOG attire/ go for fun day at the outlets in a few weeks. If she gets snarky/rude about it in the next 6 weeks, I might just go bridezilla on her in private.


  • Well, then, I stand by what I said. She's being ridiculous, and you don't need to give in to this nonsense. And I agree with HGF that your fiance needs to not worry about "not getting his dad in trouble." His father should have handled this already. It's not your fiance's job to play buffer between them. 


    What did you think would happen if you walked up to a group of internet strangers and told them to get shoehorned by their lady doc?~StageManager14
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  • FSMIL has invited us to dinner at her and FFIL's house on Sunday.

    The Jedi in me senses a disturbance in the Force, something brewing on the horizon.

    The practical lawyer in me smells a shitstorm coming.

    The bride in me is pouring a glass of wine, grabbing popcorn, and pasting a pleasant smile on her face.

  • @Chipmunk915, please keep us posted!!
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  • @Addie, for background:

    FSMIL's sibs were never part of FI's life. FI was over 18 and in the military when FFIL and FSMIL got married. FSMIL never says anything nice about the sibs, and while FI has met them, he does not like/cannot stand the brother (in FI's words, a racist jerk). (I've never met these people).

    FSMIL never ASKED us to invite them...she told her husband to tell us to invite them. They have not contributed any money to the wedding (to cover any pay and say issues). We discussed it, and FI and I were ok with inviting the sister. When talking to FSMIL, i said we could invite the sister, and I needed her address. at no point did i mention brother. Next week, I got a text from FSMIL with sisters address and brother's address. FI texted FFIL (his dad) to ask his thoughts on the best way to explain to FSMIL (FFILs wife) that the brother was not on the guest list. A day later, I had another text from FMSIL of "for my side its my sister, sisters hubs, brother, and dad."

    FI is now super pissed, sends a text to his dad saying that now only FSMIL's Dad was invited (FFIL and FSMIL previously put us on the spot on that one, saying something to us about inviting the father when he's standing right there). FFIL responds along the lines of "it's your wedding, invite whom you want." We were under the impression he said something to his wife, esp as she was kinda chilly for a few weeks after that.

    @Jen, we were willing to talk to her about it, but every signal we got (also believing FFIL had said something) indicated she didn't want to talk about it. The RSVPs are due one month from yesterday. Additionally, we realized when we got the addresses that the brother lives with the father (who's received his invite and responded) and the sister and her husband live two trailers away (I'm not being snarky, they all literally live on a dirt road with 3 trailers, and one trailer in between the sister and the brother and dad is occupied by a different family), so he'd notice that he wasn't invited.

    FSMIL has now cancelled lunch with FI today. I also think she will now decline my invitation for her to join my mom and I dress shopping for MOB/MOG attire/ go for fun day at the outlets in a few weeks. If she gets snarky/rude about it in the next 6 weeks, I might just go bridezilla on her in private.


    That's fine, let her sulk.  But please do not flip out on her, even in private.  If she is snarky and rude, be polite back or do not engage her. 

    "Love is the one thing we're capable of perceiving that transcends time and space."


  • FI cancelled- he's not feeling well, may have the crud, and I'm trying not to get it from him. I will keep updating as things progress- FSMIL wants to have dinner Friday or Saturday of this new week, so keep some drinks and popcorn ready! 

    @kmmssg, regarding the term "body disposal," your Jedi powers may have allowed you to know my father is a forensic pathologist with 30+ years experience, as well as a combat disabled Marine? To paraphrase Abby of NCIS, he is "one of the few people who could kill you, dispose of the body, and leave no forensic evidence." Terrifying, yes, but he's my Dad!

    @prettygirllost, I should clarify- my idea of bridezilla is to privately pull her aside (to the bathroom) and politely, calmly say "your sibs were not invited. We tried to make this clear to you. It is not our fault you jumped the gun. Please knock off the comments, I don't appreciate them, and if you truly feel we need to talk about this further, speak to me about it directly, rather than this passive aggressiveness." Confronting her directly, rather than a screaming temper tantrum.
  • FI cancelled- he's not feeling well, may have the crud, and I'm trying not to get it from him. I will keep updating as things progress- FSMIL wants to have dinner Friday or Saturday of this new week, so keep some drinks and popcorn ready! 

    @kmmssg, regarding the term "body disposal," your Jedi powers may have allowed you to know my father is a forensic pathologist with 30+ years experience, as well as a combat disabled Marine? To paraphrase Abby of NCIS, he is "one of the few people who could kill you, dispose of the body, and leave no forensic evidence." Terrifying, yes, but he's my Dad!

    @prettygirllost, I should clarify- my idea of bridezilla is to privately pull her aside (to the bathroom) and politely, calmly say "your sibs were not invited. We tried to make this clear to you. It is not our fault you jumped the gun. Please knock off the comments, I don't appreciate them, and if you truly feel we need to talk about this further, speak to me about it directly, rather than this passive aggressiveness." Confronting her directly, rather than a screaming temper tantrum.
    Your dad rocks!
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