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Mom’s second “attempt” at suicide…

I absolutely relish in the advice (both serious and snarky) given on this board so I hope it’s okay to post this here, but I could really use some insight...

 

Background: I had a wonderful mother growing up, she was attentive, loving, sweet, maternal, really, the ideal mom. The way she was with my sisters and I is what I modeled a lot of my own mothering from. That said, about 6 years ago she went way off the deep end, cheated on my dad several times, left and came back several times (with my 2 younger sisters still at home), went into severe depression, abused prescription drugs…just a mess.  For about 3 years we all rallied around her, made sure she had a great therapist, spiritual leader, even sent her to a wonderful facility in TX to have her meds re-evaluated…and we loved her through it all. We cried with her, stuck by her, there was unconditional support – we constantly tried to build her up.

 

However, she just kept relapsing and hurting my dad (and my two younger sisters who were still living at home) so in a painful decision, after years of trying to help her, my dad made the painful, but supported decision by us, to divorce my mom after 30 years together. He has since moved on and provided a wonderful, stable life for my two younger sisters who are still at home.  My sisters and I have a very strained relationship with her though, there’s just no trust; she’s abused it so many times. With that…

 

In the last 3 years my mom has “attempted” to take her life two times, the second being last night. She does this by OD’ing on prescription pain meds. Here is where I will be honest…

 

As a 31 year old woman with a child of my own, I am angry at her. I feel like this is as selfish of an “act” that you can commit. I could never do this to my child no matter how awful I felt. The first time she did this I had sympathy, this time; I almost feel nothing but numb. I haven’t reached out to her yet and I don’t even know if I should. She has had years and years of help given to her but it is almost as if she doesn’t want to get better. She keeps rehashing the past. She just…lives there. And we have all told her that we’ve forgiven her, we love her, we just want her happy but it never seems to sink in…

 

I love my mom, but in a sense, the mom I knew died years ago. I don’t know how to relate to this woman, I don’t know what to say…on top of it, I’m getting married this October and…ladies, how do I look at this woman and attempt to honor her when she clearly doesn’t care if she lives or dies or is in my life…I’m very stuck in what the right thing to do with her is.

Re: Mom’s second “attempt” at suicide…

  • Pretty much everything GBCK said.
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  • I have a grandmother who I loved dearly, and she took her life on Christmas Eve. And I have a little sister who is a "recovered" heroin addict who has  OD'd and has threatened her life, mainly as an ultimatum to get her way.  These two people are completely different, in my opinion. 
      You can say that you would never do the things your mother has done because you are not an addict.  An addict cannot think past their desire for the drug, and nothing is more important than their next high. I am hoping your mother will come around, but there is nothing you can do to help her get her life together... she has to want it on her own. You did nothing wrong, and you have not failed. You have done all you could, the ball is in her court now. I am at the stage of realizing my sister is not the person she used to be, and never will be that girl again. 
      Suicide to me, is not a selfish act, but addiction is.  maybe I am totally wrong.  But my grandma thought we were all better off without her. It was a split second decision, and I feel she would have come out of her suicidal thoughts, if there was no gun in the house. ( I know there are other means, but most other methods are reversible.) It still breaks my heart, but I knew she would never have done it, if she knew how much her death affected those that loved her. And when you are clinically depressed, you are not in a clear mental state, so trying to rationalize what you would do is not the same.  Because a suicidal person cannot think rationally... neither can an addict, but they could think rationally before they chose to do drugs. 
       I feel so bad for you. Nothing like a wedding can bring out issues with your family you thought you have come to terms with. I think you should see a counselor, and help you overcome the loss of your mother as you knew her.  I know from experience that addiction is hard to talk to a friend about.  I agree with other posters.  Make an appointment with a therapist and talk about your issues for someone who is there for you.  I have a feeling, that besides your father, you are the glue in the family for your sisters.  A therapist will give you a time to bare everything and strip off all of your worries you may not share with your younger sisters.  It is very liberating to remove that burden and share it with someone who is not related to your situation. I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers.
  • This sudden change in your mom... has she seen a neurologist?  Gotten any imaging done on her brain?
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  • I have a feeling, that besides your father, you are the glue in the family for your sisters.  A therapist will give you a time to bare everything and strip off all of your worries you may not share with your younger sisters.  It is very liberating to remove that burden and share it with someone who is not related to your situation. I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers.

    You nailed that one. It is for that reason I have chosen not to tell my father or sisters about last night. Absolutely nothing productive would come from it as it would just re-open old wounds for them, which is pointless to do. 

    I really do appreciate the feedback and truth is, I never considered *I* might need someone to talk to about this…it is burdensome. With that, to each and everyone, thank you for taking the time to read this and offer a kind word.

  • @returnofkuss

    When she went to Texas they did full scans, psychological testing, re-evaluated her meds...the consensus was that she is Bipolar. She refused the diagnosis and the meds that could help her - its been downhill from there :-/
  • Just to piggyback one little thing on what I said earlier...

    For the family, more information tends to be better.  Secrets beget more secrets and become the foundations of faulty relationships.
    Ex-since my parents know that my husband has been hospitalized for depression, they're more alert to and aware of crap that can flare up.  That means they're more able to say things like "uh, GB, do you know that the Mr. is acting like a kicked puppy? "--which is information that, on occasion, I need to know, because I kinda, sorta sometimes have the crappy job of making sure things are OK and I"m sometimes to close to see it [or he's better at hiding it from me or whatever].

    And knowing that certain people in my family are bad crazy (i'm not going to try to delve into diagnosis on these--we'll just say that I'm related to some crazy unstable people) is important because WITH that information I can make informed choices on how to deal w/ these people/how much space to give/whether to let them around my child etc.  When the crazy has been treated as a family secret, it's much harder to make informed choices and, when I was younger and less willing to tell people to fuck off and die (or, more likely "I'm sorry, I have plans that weekend, so I can't come"), it left me in crappy situations w/ crazy people that I wouldn't have been in if someone had let me know that Big Al had the cops called on him repeatedly because he got violent off his meds, etc.

    And the paper-trails can be a part of making info 'public' and non-biased.  If I say 'grandma is acting crazy', there's a lot of baggage with that--the past relationships and all of that can come into play--we're all biased.  If you are ever in a position of trying to get someone help, who is unwilling to get help, the paper trail of calling 911 and a non-biased person w/some expertise giving an opinion, taking them to dr. appts (another nonbiased person, more or less), etc, can be incredibly important.  It's not the #1 reason to call 911, but when you're dealing with a judge and it may save someone's life to have them temporarily hospitalized, it's good to have.
    (^and all of that sucks, yes.  Sucks big donkey balls.  So, again, sorry.  It most definitelysucks)
  • I am soo soo sorry that you and your family are dealing with this.  Let me say that you are not alone at all. My FI's mom was bipolar and tried to commit suicide at least 3 times that I know of before he was in middle school. He personally called 911 at least twice to save her life.  She died when he was a freshman in high school after an 8 year battle with breast cancer.  I have no advice. Her life was tragic and his father blamed her for all of their problems, he avoided home as much as possible. I know he regrets it. I know my FI regrets blaming her. Nothing they ever did ever felt good enough and I know he still struggles today. Therapy helped and I hope you will consider it.  It is tough and I couldn't imagine dealing with it. *hugs*

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    When she went to Texas they did full scans, psychological testing, re-evaluated her meds...the consensus was that she is Bipolar. She refused the diagnosis and the meds that could help her - its been downhill from there :-/
    Just curious...have y'all looked into legal avenues as well? Lawyers that deal with power of attorney and mental health issues, social worker?

    My grandma had dementia and lived 3/4 of the US away from us. The social worker was a GODSEND in getting her the care she needed. Unlocked resources, laws and regs most people are not aware of...and won't be swayed by the kind of manipulations that work incredibly well on family members.
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  • Hugs! I'm sooo sorry you are dealing with this! Prayers go out to you!
  • Also sending hugs!  My best friend is bipolar and I will tell you, the meds make a world of difference.  It's a battle to get them stabilized, but once you're on the right mix, it's like night and day.  I'm so sorry your mother can't see there is light at the end of this tunnel.

    I'm also suggesting counseling for yourself.  As someone who has been the "glue" in a trouble family many times, it really helps to have a professional to talk to about how to take care of yourself.
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  • You need counseling. Pronto.  You need to learn how to deal with your feelings surrounding this, and hopefully the counselor can help you to understand your mom's illness.

    Your mom is sick.  Very sick.  If she were dying from cancer, would you be so critical of her?  You say that attempting suicide is selfish and guess what? IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU.
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    I do know it’s not about me; it’s more that I don’t understand how the people who do love her aren’t even a factor in her choices. That is what is hardest on this end of things. When a person is “sick” – it doesn’t just affect them, there’s a whole family at the other end of this that has suffered along with her, just in a different way. Damage has been done. With that, it is for this reason I was hoping to get some productive feedback and as I have seen -- I’m not the only one who has had to deal with something like this. As I have already agreed, I will need someone to help me understand how to even navigate these waters as I am at a loss – no need to CAPS me there. 

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