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Having a hard time getting others to understand the importance of proper etiquette.

I'm no member of the etiquette police and am pretty laid back about most things involving our wedding. I just want to make sure everyone is treated properly and there aren't any faux pas that would hurt anyone's feelings. I'm having a really hard time though with getting some other important people involved in my wedding to understand this. Sorry if this gets a bit long.

For example, my fiance wants to send an invitation to his friend Matt and his wife, but wants to just mail it to his parents' house instead of asking Matt for his address. Matt and his wife do live close to Matt's parents and are there every couple of days (and were actually living there until recently), but I don't see why he won't just ask for their address. I can't make him understand how this is rude. My future mother in law is hosting a shower and we want to invite Matt's wife and he wants to either mail it to Matt's parents' house or he will just hand the invitation to Matt in person (they see each other about 3x/week), and ask him to pass it on to his wife. He wouldn't be bothered if, after our wedding, a friend sent a wedding invitation to us at his parents house, and he knows Matt won't mind, but I don't see why we can't just mail their invitation normally to their home, like we are for everyone else, but he is insistent that it's silly to bother to get their address and to waste postage on the shower invitation when he sees Matt so often. I brought up the question of where I would send a thank you note to them, and he said to just send it to Matt's parents' house too! Any ideas for how to convince him to just buck up and ask for their address? I know he wouldn't be pleased, but I'm about to just call Matt myself and ask for it.

I have similar dilemmas with some other people involved in our wedding too. My sister is hosting another shower (the guest lists don't overlap at all) and she wanted to have guests write their names and addresses on envelopes for thank you notes as they came in. I told her not to bother, as I would already have everyone's address and wouldn't mind writing it out myself. She was insistent that she wanted to use these to draw names for little door prizes and was so excited about the idea--she went to another shower where this was done and loved it. I again, told her not to worry about it and to use something else to draw names if she wanted to do that and tried to get her to drop it. She then said she already bought the thank yous and was definitely going to do it. At this point I said I thought it was perhaps a bit rude to ask guests to write their own addresses for notes where I am thanking them for a gift and to please not do this as I don't want anyone to think I'm too rude/lazy to address them myself. She then got really upset and acted like I was having a total bridezilla moment. Perhaps it's not my place to give my opinion about the shower as she's hosting it, but having guests address their own thank yous really rubbed me the wrong way. Could I have responded in a different manner? Or should I just butt out when it comes to the shower? I've tried to keep out of it and just let the hostesses plan, but they keep telling me their plans and asking my opinion.

That brings me to my future mother-in-law--she is very nice and I really love her, but I'm afraid she's unknowingly making some etiquette mistakes. She has gone up to some of her friends (who are on our guest list and we are planning on inviting) and asked them if they want to be invited to the shower, or if they want to be invited to the wedding. My fiance has said that this is totally her mistake and no one will think I'm asking her to ask these people if they "want to be invited" but I'm a bit worried. I guess there isn't much I can do about it...I just wouldn't know what to say if someone came up to me and said that. I'm not sure I would be offended, but I'd be a bit put off.

And, maybe this is really silly of me, but I'm trying to address invitations somewhat formally and not use nicknames. I check with my fiance to see if Matt's name is actually Matthew so I can address the invitation to Mr. and Mrs. Matthew Lastname, and he tells me it is Matthew, but just to send it to Mr. and Mrs. Matt Lastname. My future in laws keep saying the same thing for all of their friends who have nicknames and to just address it to their nickname, but it just seems so strange to me to address a nice invitation to Mr. Bill Soandso if his first name is actually William. Or am I being silly here?

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  • Your fiance is being very immature about not wanting to ask a friend for an address. As for the shower, I don't think you're in the wrong for asking that guests NOT address their own envelopes. You're not being a bridezilla, and as long as you just patiently say you find it off-putting an don't be all ZOMG, I DON'T WANT THAT!!!!! then you are not coming off 'zilla at all. Your FMIL's blunders are not yours, so you can't worry about it. I would say your fiance should tell her to stop, but it's pretty obvious he won't do that. There also probably isn't a lot you can do about the names thing since they will not cooperate with you. Internet hugs to you b/c I would be very frustrated, too.
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  • People will think your sister and FMIL are rude, not you.
    Are Matt's parents being invited? If not you could point out that they might assume they are as well if the invite goes to their house.
    The etiquette with names is to call them by their preferred name. If he prefers Matt call him Matt.
  • 1) FI is being immature- get the address

    2) DO NOT have your guests at any shower write out the address for the TY note envelopes

    3) FMIL needs to knock that off right now.

    4) I had a similar issue with some of my invitations (ie, I know them by one name, given name is longer or different). Instead of doing the full first name, on a few I did the first initial, such as Mr and Mrs. A. Jones. Still got compliments on how nice and formal they looked, and went with preferred name on escort card.

  • FI is being immature about the addresses. I would like to tell him how silly he is being :P Matt and his wife are adults. Postage costs the same if you send the invitation to Matt or Matt's mom's house. 

    As for the TY addresses- I agree, it's tacky. But, if it's going to cause real turmoil between you and your sister, you could let her do her thing, but when you send TY notes, use your own envelopes that you have addressed yourself. 

    Names is a bit tricky. We used guests' full names on the invites, but used their "short" name if they used one on the seating cards. It is acceptable to use a preferred name, but I would ask the guest what their preferred name is. 


  • You could do White Pages.com yourself and get the address.

  • Tell your FI my cautionary tale:

    When FI was still living with his parents, we were dating, and were invited to a wedding. The wedding invitation went to FI's house, and his parents sorted it into a pile of mail and he didn't see it for a month.

    This couple also sent my bach party and bridal shower invites to his parents' house. His mother threw them away. I never got my invites, and didn't find out until 2 days before when the bride asked if I was coming because nobody had heard from me.
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  • Your FI is being a baby. If he won't get the address, do it yourself.  I think this one is a big deal. Let him be mad, because the only person he can really be mad at is himself. If he didn't want you calling, he could have done it.  Or if you can get his email address, ask him that way.

    Your FI needs to shut down FMIL's inviting friends to the shower, but it's apparent that he left his balls at mommy's house, so he probably won't do that either.  I think you're ok telling her you aren't comfortable with her doing that because you aren't able to invite them to the wedding, but if she does it anyway, then she'll have to explain to them why they didn't get a wedding invitation.

    I would probably decline the shower over the envelope thing. It's that big a deal to me, and I consider it that rude.  (If I'm asked to do that, I just don't do it. If they push me on it I'm happy to tell them how I really feel.)  If you feel like you can't do that, then let them use the envelopes for the drawing, but write your own for the thank you notes. If your sister gets upset about it, then you tried to warn her and she should have listened. Give her back the envelope-less notes so she can find a use for them. But yeah, your sister is being horribly rude and I'd think you'd be close enough to her as siblings that you could be very firm with her on this issue (i.e. you refuse to be rude to the guests or allow her to do so, you already have thank you notes you plan to use and won't be using the ones she buys, you found something you'd rather use for the drawing than envelopes, etc).

    I'd tell the in-laws that unless you get proper names for people, those guests won't be invited, and that all invitations will be mailed on this day, nothing will be sent after that day. That should get their butts in gear on names. Yes, this is that big a deal to me too.  You especially need to know about women who didn't take their husband's name after getting married or hyphenated it, names of girlfriends/boyfriends, proper titles (Dr, Sr, Jr, Ms, etc).
  • Eh - I think you're right on course on all of this. Don't be mean - but stay strong on your principles.

    Except for one thing- and this is just me - but I don't belong to my husband once we're married. I have my own first name - I would find it rather offensive in this day and age to get something addressed to Mr. and Mrs. Jim Smith. Is it not more commonly acceptable now to do Mr. and Mrs Jim and Jane Smith? 
  • I'd tell your FI that if he doesn't get the address, this friend and his SO just won't be invited because you're not catering to his childishness.

    I agree that it's rude to expect wedding shower guests to address their own thank-you notes, and your sister was being rude to you about it.  But I think you needed to put your foot down a little sooner than you actually did.  I would have said very firmly, "Thank you, but no.  As a wedding shower guest, this is something I would hate, so I would never expect it for the guests at my own wedding shower.  Please give this idea up."

    When it comes to your FMIL, you and your FI need to agree on a guest list, and if you've already done that and your FI won't stand by you while your FMIL adds names that can't be accommodated, or tries to invite people to the shower who are not invited to the wedding, you might have to tell her yourself, "FMIL, please stop inviting people.  The guest list is closed."  And if that doesn't work, then I agree with your FI that it's her etiquette error and shouldn't reflect on you.

    All that said, I'm concerned about how your FI on two issues isn't on the same page as you and is even being childish.  It doesn't look good for your future together if you can't get on the same page.

  •  Otherwise I'd address is "Mr. & Mrs. HisFirst & HerFirst TheirLast" ("Mr. & Mrs. Thomas and Kathleen Bananahammock").
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  • abbyj700 said:
     Otherwise I'd address is "Mr. & Mrs. HisFirst & HerFirst TheirLast" ("Mr. & Mrs. Thomas and Kathleen Bananahammock").
    I think I just fell in love with you... LMAO

    That was my all-time favorite episode of Friends - I still chuckle every time I think of Princess Consuela Bananahammock!

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  • Thanks for all of your advice!

    Unfortunately, neither Matt nor his wife has facebook, but I think I'll just give him a call myself if my fiance won't ask him. He will probably be a little annoyed with me, but that's ok. I like what @GlitterWitch22 said about modeling proper etiquette anyway and framing it nicely. Also, good point, @Teddy917...Matt's parents aren't invited so it is even more insane to send anything to their house. They just moved a couple months ago, so there is no way their address is on whitepages.com (anyone else try to use that site and it always wants you to pay? why aren't normal white pages phone books a thing anymore? I miss them!). I don't think he's being a baby about it, but he just doesn't "get" it, you know? His thinking is, Matt lived with his parents up until 2 months ago, I already have their address, so we'll just send it there, and don't bother putting something in the mail when I can hand it to him to give to his wife. It just seems more logical/convenient to him and I'm sure Matt would think the same, but his wife might beg to differ.

    Just to clarify, FMIL is only inviting people to the shower who are invited to the wedding. We didn't do STDs and haven't sent out invitations yet, but everyone who she put on the shower guest list is also on the wedding guest list. She just told me the other day that went up to a couple of ladies (who she had asked us to put on the guest list, and we told her they would invited) and said something like, "hi friend! I'm putting together a guest list for MrsAitch's shower and was wondering if you wanted to be invited?" Not sure why she is doing this, but I think she might be one of those people who thinks an invitation is a summons and unless you have previously made plans you must attend whatever it is you've been invited to. So I think she's kind of asking these people if they would come if they are invited...in which case, why not just wait until you send the invitation and see how they RSVP? I'm not sure what the deal is, but I guess I won't worry about it. Nothing my fiance or I can do about it because she's telling us this after the fact, but I am worried she will do other similar things--she did even ask one friend if they would want to be invited to the wedding. Perhaps it's a generational thing, because my mom didn't want to invite some friends of hers who live out of town because she didn't want them to feel obligated to come since it's so far away. I said if it's too far away and they don't want to make the trip, they can say no and I will understand, but she insists they will feel like they "have" to go so we should just not invite them to save them the inconvenience.

    My sister did eventually agree to not do the envelope thing, but she was clearly annoyed with me shutting down her cute idea. I'll tell her I'll buy the notes off of her if she wants...I keep a lot of blank note cards that I can use for all occasions though, and had some really cute ones I was wanting to use for shower thank yous because they fit the general theme of the shower, but oh well.

    I don't think I'll go so far as to say I won't send the invitations out without the proper full names, but I'm going to exhaust every resource I have to get them--even if it means asking my fiance's aunt and grandma to borrow their church directories so I can look this up!
  • Jen4948 said:
    I'd tell your FI that if he doesn't get the address, this friend and his SO just won't be invited because you're not catering to his childishness.

    I agree that it's rude to expect wedding shower guests to address their own thank-you notes, and your sister was being rude to you about it.  But I think you needed to put your foot down a little sooner than you actually did.  I would have said very firmly, "Thank you, but no.  As a wedding shower guest, this is something I would hate, so I would never expect it for the guests at my own wedding shower.  Please give this idea up."

    When it comes to your FMIL, you and your FI need to agree on a guest list, and if you've already done that and your FI won't stand by you while your FMIL adds names that can't be accommodated, or tries to invite people to the shower who are not invited to the wedding, you might have to tell her yourself, "FMIL, please stop inviting people.  The guest list is closed."  And if that doesn't work, then I agree with your FI that it's her etiquette error and shouldn't reflect on you.

    All that said, I'm concerned about how your FI on two issues isn't on the same page as you and is even being childish.  It doesn't look good for your future together if you can't get on the same page.

    Oh for goodness sake. I have to say the above and the comment someone else made about "leaving his balls at mommy's house" are a bit hurtful and rude. His mother is telling me these things, not him, and she's telling me after she's already done them. She isn't adding anyone extra to the guest list--we've already spoken with his parents about who was on their "wish list" and who would be invited. He agrees it's not good that she went up to her friends who we are planning to invite and asked them if they "want to come" when I told him about it, but I'm not sure he can really do anything after the fact. He and I are on the same page except for when it comes to getting this one address, which I'm not sure why he's being so weird about, beyond he's just one of those manly men who thinks it's silly to do "impractical" things, like put something in the mail to someone you see almost every day.
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    abbyj700 said:
    Eh - I think you're right on course on all of this. Don't be mean - but stay strong on your principles.

    Except for one thing- and this is just me - but I don't belong to my husband once we're married. I have my own first name - I would find it rather offensive in this day and age to get something addressed to Mr. and Mrs. Jim Smith. Is it not more commonly acceptable now to do Mr. and Mrs Jim and Jane Smith? 
    ETA: My post was deleted. The gist was: a man's first and last name should not be separated. It's proper to write Mr. and Mrs. Jim Smith if the couple has the same last name. If people know that you prefer to be addressed by something different they should change it to what you prefer, but people are not mind readers. If the couple has different last names it would be Ms. First Last and Mr. First Last.
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  • On the shower, remind your FI that someone else will be sending that invitation.  That means the host would have to give the invitation to you, to give to him, to give to Matt, to give to her.  That's a lot of chance that the invitation would be lost.  Now, won't it be so much simpler to just get the correct address?  

    Although I would just text the girl for it.  Your FI is being childish, but it's much easier to go around him than to try to convince him to grow up.  
  • I'm with you on everything except the names. If someone's given name is Matthew and he goes by Matt, address it to him by his preferred name. It's not your place to decide that he should go by his full given name.

    Ex: DH goes by a shortened version of his name (much like Matt/Matthew). He ONLY uses the shortened version. He used it in our vows. If we got mail addressed to his full name, he'd be like, 'who are these people who don't know me at all?'
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  • I know it isn't proper etiquette, but I would be okay with writing my address on an envelope if they were doing a draw for a prize at the shower. I like winning prizes :) However, if I was asked to write my address on an envelope so the bride has my address (which makes no sense if I have received STD, shower invite or wedding invite) I would side eye that. If I was told to address the envelope to save the bride time, I'd roll my eyes and wouldn't do it, and then I'd see how long it takes for me to get a thank you card compared to people who addressed the envelope.

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  • Thanks all :) If anyone cares, I again just explained that even though I know he thinks it's silly, but it was really important to me and he got the address and apologized for being so difficult about it.

    As far as names go, maybe I'll re-think that one. It just looks so strange to me to address something to Mr. and Mrs. Bill Smith if Bill's name is actually William. It's one thing to send it to Bill and Jane Smith, but once you add the titles it just looks strange to me. But I should probably just let this one go.
  • MrsAitch said:

    Thanks all :) If anyone cares, I again just explained that even though I know he thinks it's silly, but it was really important to me and he got the address and apologized for being so difficult about it.

    As far as names go, maybe I'll re-think that one. It just looks so strange to me to address something to Mr. and Mrs. Bill Smith if Bill's name is actually William. It's one thing to send it to Bill and Jane Smith, but once you add the titles it just looks strange to me. But I should probably just let this one go.

    Glad your FI came around! And if it helps with the name thing, think of it this way: etiquette is about your guests' comfort (that's why no gaps or cash bars or standing during the ceremony), and what's more paramount to someone's comfort than addressing them by their preferred name?
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  • MrsAitch said:
    Thanks all :) If anyone cares, I again just explained that even though I know he thinks it's silly, but it was really important to me and he got the address and apologized for being so difficult about it.

    As far as names go, maybe I'll re-think that one. It just looks so strange to me to address something to Mr. and Mrs. Bill Smith if Bill's name is actually William. It's one thing to send it to Bill and Jane Smith, but once you add the titles it just looks strange to me. But I should probably just let this one go.
    Just to add to the name thing: it works the other way sometimes too. My name is Tammy. That's my name as listed on my birth certificate. For whatever reason, people who think they are being formal with me call me Tamara. That's not my name and I automatically disregard anything you have to say if you call me that. So if you want to use people's formal names, please make sure that it really is their name.
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  • MrsAitch said:
    Thanks all :) If anyone cares, I again just explained that even though I know he thinks it's silly, but it was really important to me and he got the address and apologized for being so difficult about it.

    As far as names go, maybe I'll re-think that one. It just looks so strange to me to address something to Mr. and Mrs. Bill Smith if Bill's name is actually William. It's one thing to send it to Bill and Jane Smith, but once you add the titles it just looks strange to me. But I should probably just let this one go.
    Just to add to the name thing: it works the other way sometimes too. My name is Tammy. That's my name as listed on my birth certificate. For whatever reason, people who think they are being formal with me call me Tamara. That's not my name and I automatically disregard anything you have to say if you call me that. So if you want to use people's formal names, please make sure that it really is their name.
    I think I posted this somewhere before, but my sister dated a Chris. People ALWAYS insisted on calling him Christopher and it drove him nuts.
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  • MrsAitch said:
    Thanks all :) If anyone cares, I again just explained that even though I know he thinks it's silly, but it was really important to me and he got the address and apologized for being so difficult about it.

    As far as names go, maybe I'll re-think that one. It just looks so strange to me to address something to Mr. and Mrs. Bill Smith if Bill's name is actually William. It's one thing to send it to Bill and Jane Smith, but once you add the titles it just looks strange to me. But I should probably just let this one go.
    Just to add to the name thing: it works the other way sometimes too. My name is Tammy. That's my name as listed on my birth certificate. For whatever reason, people who think they are being formal with me call me Tamara. That's not my name and I automatically disregard anything you have to say if you call me that. So if you want to use people's formal names, please make sure that it really is their name.
    My legal name is Katie and I have had way too many conversations like this in Dr's offices and such:  "First name?" "Katie." "No, your full first name." "It's Katie." "But what is is short for?" "Nothing. My name is Katie. Can we move on?"
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  • @InkDancer - sometimes I say it's short for something really stupid like Tamikaleethiania. LOL It just depends what kind of a mood I'm in. 
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