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Parents wishes vs our wishes

First off, I want to say that I've been diligently reading these boards for a few days and I've learned SO much. You girls are awesome! I've seen WW and WB, and it bothers me that half the people on there barely even have a grasp on grammar and the English language. TK, on the other hand, is much, much more... Intelligent. Anyway, I'm currently in the beginning of the planning process (FH and I have been engaged for almost 2 years, though, and I've already done TONS of research on things), and the budget issue has only somewhat been discussed. My parents are graciously paying for the wedding. 100% of it as of now. I'm very appreciative of this. It drives me crazy, though, that my dad-the one in charge of finances-won't talk directly to me about anything. He goes through my mom to do it, and when I have asked about it, he says "we'll talk later." I just want to know where we stand on things and I know he understands the money situation better than my mom does. She's not very money-conscious all the time. My real complaint is this, though... FH and I had been planning on having the wedding in his hometown, where I met him and lived in for 10 years. Everyone we want in our WP lives there and so does the majority of his family. His grandmother, whom has suffered from multiple strokes and had a triple biopsy, also only lives about an hour outside of his hometown. She is currently in a nursing home while his aunts fix her house up so that it is wheelchair accessible and is comfortable for her. She gets uncomfortable when she's out of her environment for too long. She is definitely not the same active person I met 4 years ago. And FH loves her dearly and is saddened by this. His mom and he lived with this grandmother for a while, and he stayed there after his mom passed away. She had a big hand in raising him. I was pregnant when she had the surgery and the strokes, and soon after I had our baby, we moved to my hometown (3 hours away from his, and his grandmother). We moved here because it would be easier since my mom doesn't work and can watch DD. I'm going to be going to school and getting a job soon, so the extra help is much appreciated. We wouldn't have that in his hometown, as his whole family works. The other day, my mom and I were talking about the wedding, and she told me, "your dad suggested we have the wedding in [my hometown]." Okay... Sudden change, as I had only been researching locations in location A (FH's hometown), but I'd like to hear the reasoning. "Well, if we have it in [location B], it would be less expensive..." Fair enough, I can understand that. "...which means we could spend that money on helping to send you guys on a great honeymoon..." That's nice, totally not necessary, but nice nonetheless. So far, I'm still not completely on board, though. Then, my favorite part, "we also want our friends to go. They won't go if it's in [location A]." Um... I get wanting their old friends to be there, they see them often, and have known them since high school, and I kind of grew up around them and their kids. Except we moved around a lot when I was young, and we were never in the same place for more than 2-3 years until we moved to location A. That is where I formed the majority of the close friendships I have, and I consider that the place I really grew up. I started there in 8th grade, graduated HS there, and after briefly moving back to location B to start college, I quickly moved back to A to continue college (never finished, though, because I had a crazy verbally and emotionally abusive boyfriend at the time that made my life miserable and gave me all kinds of emotional and physical problems.... But that's neither here nor there). Now, I spend time with their friends maybe once or twice a year, and occasionally see them in passing while one of us is leaving my parents' house. One of their friends and one of her daughters DID come to my baby shower, and while she and her husband couldn't make it to her 1st birthday, they thoughtfully bought her and adorable outfit. Another couple DID make it her party... And then there are a few of them I haven't seen since a Christmas party back when I was 16. FH wants his grandmother to be at the wedding. And I mean, can you blame him? I told my mom as much and she said "well, his aunts can bring her to the ceremony, and then take her back." Meaning that his aunts would miss the reception. When he was going through financial problems a few years ago, his aunt kindly let him stay with her and has since insisted on giving us money here and there, even after many protests, just because she likes doing it. She doesn't expect anything back. She's also taking FH, our DD, his other aunt, and myself on a trip out of state to Orlando next week. I don't think that it's at all fair that my parents' friends have priority over FH's family. I don't think it's fair that they should have to miss part of our celebration, either. The only part of my parents' argument that makes even a little sense to me is the money part. I'd rather have FH's family there than have the opportunity to have more money for a nicer honeymoon. I'm not getting married for the honeymoon. I'd even be fine letting my parents watch DD for a week while FH and I stayed home and relaxed. An "adults only" week is honeymoon enough for me! Lol. I also don't like feeling that they're trying to bribe me with a nice honeymoon to get their wishes. At the end of the day, I know that they are paying for it and that means they have a say in what happens, but it's also FH's and my wedding, and having his family present for all of it is important. Honestly, I'm kind of thinking that once his aunt hears about my parents wanting the wedding in B, she'll want to either help out with the venue, or help with the honeymoon-with no strings attached. FH and I don't have money like my parents or his aunt... And what they would consider a "nice" wedding is not compatible with our budget (FH and I would probably just go to the JOP and have a big party after, if we were paying for it... Which would be totally fine with me. I really do like the idea of sharing ALL of it with family and friends, though. And I do WANT a wedding). I'm definitely feeling torn right now. Also, my mom apparently thinks it's in bad taste to have our DD be the flower girl. I don't really understand why. If it IS in bad taste, could someone explain to me WHY? Sorry this is so long!

Re: Parents wishes vs our wishes

  • Agh... Also sorry it didn't show up in paragraph form (as I originally typed it)... I will fix it when I get to my computer (I'm on an iPad right now)
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    ApDt1088 said:
    First off, I want to say that I've been diligently reading these boards for a few days and I've learned SO much. You girls are awesome! I've seen WW and WB, and it bothers me that half the people on there barely even have a grasp on grammar and the English language. TK, on the other hand, is much, much more... Intelligent.

    Anyway, I'm currently in the beginning of the planning process (FH and I have been engaged for almost 2 years, though, and I've already done TONS of research on things), and the budget issue has only somewhat been discussed.

    My parents are graciously paying for the wedding. 100% of it as of now. I'm very appreciative of this. It drives me crazy, though, that my dad-the one in charge of finances-won't talk directly to me about anything. He goes through my mom to do it, and when I have asked about it, he says "we'll talk later."

    I just want to know where we stand on things and I know he understands the money situation better than my mom does. She's not very money-conscious all the time.

    My real complaint is this, though... FH and I had been planning on having the wedding in his hometown, where I met him and lived in for 10 years. Everyone we want in our WP lives there and so does the majority of his family.

    His grandmother, whom has suffered from multiple strokes and had a triple biopsy, also only lives about an hour outside of his hometown. She is currently in a nursing home while his aunts fix her house up so that it is wheelchair accessible and is comfortable for her.

    She gets uncomfortable when she's out of her environment for too long. She is definitely not the same active person I met 4 years ago. And FH loves her dearly and is saddened by this. His mom and he lived with this grandmother for a while, and he stayed there after his mom passed away. She had a big hand in raising him.

    I was pregnant when she had the surgery and the strokes, and soon after I had our baby, we moved to my hometown (3 hours away from his, and his grandmother). We moved here because it would be easier since my mom doesn't work and can watch DD. I'm going to be going to school and getting a job soon, so the extra help is much appreciated.

    We wouldn't have that in his hometown, as his whole family works. The other day, my mom and I were talking about the wedding, and she told me, "your dad suggested we have the wedding in [my hometown]."

    Okay... Sudden change, as I had only been researching locations in location A (FH's hometown), but I'd like to hear the reasoning. "Well, if we have it in [location B], it would be less expensive..."

    Fair enough, I can understand that. "...which means we could spend that money on helping to send you guys on a great honeymoon..." That's nice, totally not necessary, but nice nonetheless.

    So far, I'm still not completely on board, though. Then, my favorite part, "we also want our friends to go. They won't go if it's in [location A]." Um... I get wanting their old friends to be there, they see them often, and have known them since high school, and I kind of grew up around them and their kids.

    Except we moved around a lot when I was young, and we were never in the same place for more than 2-3 years until we moved to location A. That is where I formed the majority of the close friendships I have, and I consider that the place I really grew up. I started there in 8th grade, graduated HS there, and after briefly moving back to location B to start college, I quickly moved back to A to continue college (never finished, though, because I had a crazy verbally and emotionally abusive boyfriend at the time that made my life miserable and gave me all kinds of emotional and physical problems.... But that's neither here nor there).

    Now, I spend time with their friends maybe once or twice a year, and occasionally see them in passing while one of us is leaving my parents' house.

    One of their friends and one of her daughters DID come to my baby shower, and while she and her husband couldn't make it to her 1st birthday, they thoughtfully bought her and adorable outfit. Another couple DID make it her party... And then there are a few of them I haven't seen since a Christmas party back when I was 16.

    FH wants his grandmother to be at the wedding. And I mean, can you blame him? I told my mom as much and she said "well, his aunts can bring her to the ceremony, and then take her back." Meaning that his aunts would miss the reception.

    When he was going through financial problems a few years ago, his aunt kindly let him stay with her and has since insisted on giving us money here and there, even after many protests, just because she likes doing it. She doesn't expect anything back. She's also taking FH, our DD, his other aunt, and myself on a trip out of state to Orlando next week.

    I don't think that it's at all fair that my parents' friends have priority over FH's family. I don't think it's fair that they should have to miss part of our celebration, either. The only part of my parents' argument that makes even a little sense to me is the money part.

    I'd rather have FH's family there than have the opportunity to have more money for a nicer honeymoon. I'm not getting married for the honeymoon. I'd even be fine letting my parents watch DD for a week while FH and I stayed home and relaxed. An "adults only" week is honeymoon enough for me! Lol.

    I also don't like feeling that they're trying to bribe me with a nice honeymoon to get their wishes. At the end of the day, I know that they are paying for it and that means they have a say in what happens, but it's also FH's and my wedding, and having his family present for all of it is important.

    Honestly, I'm kind of thinking that once his aunt hears about my parents wanting the wedding in B, she'll want to either help out with the venue, or help with the honeymoon-with no strings attached. FH and I don't have money like my parents or his aunt... And what they would consider a "nice" wedding is not compatible with our budget (FH and I would probably just go to the JOP and have a big party after, if we were paying for it... Which would be totally fine with me. I really do like the idea of sharing ALL of it with family and friends, though. And I do WANT a wedding).

    I'm definitely feeling torn right now. Also, my mom apparently thinks it's in bad taste to have our DD be the flower girl. I don't really understand why. If it IS in bad taste, could someone explain to me WHY? Sorry this is so long!
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    OK, first of all, PARAGRAPHS ARE YOUR FRIEND. That was (very nearly) impossible to read.

    Second of all, he who pays gets a HUGE say -- if your parents are paying, and they want it in your hometown, and to invite your friends, that's what they get to do. In this case, they appear to be planning to both pay and host, which gives them a great deal of control.

    That doesn't make it any less morally repugnant of them to be choosing their friends over your FI's family.

    You have two choices: You and your FI plan and pay for the wedding you can afford, which gives you free rein over everything OR you force your parents (your father, it sounds like) to have a sit-down, hard-core conversation about the budget and where the wedding will be held.

    I can't really offer personal advice; although my parents paid for our reception and flowers (we paid for everything else), they were very laid-back about everything other than requesting certain people be invited. We did, however, have our wedding in my hometown, where my parents still live but where DH and I do not live. 

    I would have been appalled if my parents had suggested that they wanted to host the wedding in an area that would be convenient to their friends at the expense of people who mattered to DH. That level of rudeness is just astonishing.

    I think you and your FI need to figure out what are the non-negotiables in your wedding planning -- date, location, size, whatever -- and then present that list to your parents. Either they'll still offer to pay and you can have the wedding where your FI's grandmother can attend or they'll pull their funding, in which case, you and FI can plan your wedding your way.

    ETA: I quoted your OP and fixed the paragraphs so hopefully you get other answers.

    As for the FG thing, my guess is your mother thinks its in bad taste to have proof of your prior sexual congress in your wedding. That's the (very) old-fashioned reason a lot of people still cite for not having so-called illegitimate children in their parents' weddings.

    (FTR, one of my mother's acquaintances said that to my mother about my nephew being in my brother and SIL's wedding, about a year after he was born. My mother looked her straight in the eye and said, 'Well, I guess it's a good thing opinions are like assholes, then. Also, you are just an asshole.')
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  • OK, first of all, PARAGRAPHS ARE YOUR FRIEND. That was (very nearly) impossible to read.

    Second of all, he who pays gets a HUGE say -- if your parents are paying, and they want it in your hometown, and to invite your friends, that's what they get to do. In this case, they appear to be planning to both pay and host, which gives them a great deal of control.

    That doesn't make it any less morally repugnant of them to be choosing their friends over your FI's family.

    You have two choices: You and your FI plan and pay for the wedding you can afford, which gives you free rein over everything OR you force your parents (your father, it sounds like) to have a sit-down, hard-core conversation about the budget and where the wedding will be held.

    I can't really offer personal advice; although my parents paid for our reception and flowers (we paid for everything else), they were very laid-back about everything other than requesting certain people be invited. We did, however, have our wedding in my hometown, where my parents still live but where DH and I do not live. 

    I would have been appalled if my parents had suggested that they wanted to host the wedding in an area that would be convenient to their friends at the expense of people who mattered to DH. That level of rudeness is just astonishing.

    I think you and your FI need to figure out what are the non-negotiables in your wedding planning -- date, location, size, whatever -- and then present that list to your parents. Either they'll still offer to pay and you can have the wedding where your FI's grandmother can attend or they'll pull their funding, in which case, you and FI can plan your wedding your way.
    I'm terribly sorry about the format. I SWEAR, it was in paragraph form when I wrote it. Apparently, my iPad doesn't like paragraphs, though. Like I already posted on here, I will fix it as soon as I get to my computer! (Again, I'm still on my iPad and this probably won't show up the way I want it to).., thank you for the advice! I'm definitely going to talk to my parents about what is important to US and hope they take that into consideration. I also think it's terribly rude for them to put their friends ahead of the family that I am becoming a part of!
  • It's the golden rule - who ever has the gold makes the rules. 

    I'm with @HisGirlFriday - if you want to plan the wedding you want - you budget for what you and FI can afford and pay for it yourself or you realize your parents are paying 100% and get a huge say in what goes on.
  • To get the information you want out of your dad, I suggest trying what I've done with FI: schedule a "wedding planning date". Tell him "hey dad, I want to talk to you this weekend about X. Can FI and I meet you and mom at 2 on Saturday?" If you have a list of things you want to discuss, you might also send that. Not springing questions on my FI made all the difference in the world in terms of getting things done.

    For the location, you're going to have to work that out with your parents. Remind them that this isn't just your (singular) wedding, but it's for both you and your FI. If getting the location you want means compromising on other things, I would try for that. I think they just want to make sure you're getting the people who are important to you there, because they want you to be happy.

    There is no reason your daughter can't be flower girl. In fact, I'd bet it would make her very happy! I walked my mom down the aisle, and it was one of my favorite things we've ever done together. It isn't appropriate for your daughter to take part in a vow exchange at your wedding, but being the flower girl is a very appropriate role for her.
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  • @HisGirlFriday13 thank you for making it easier to read!
  • I think you can talk to your parents about why having it in their hometown doesn't work for you guys, but honestly they are paying for your entire wedding so they get a huge say in everything that happens. Besides the fact that it will save them money to have it in their hometown I'm sure it would be a lot easier for them to plan it there rather than 3 hours away. I doubt that they want to plan it there so that FI's family can't come. They are probably thinking about the fact that they are planning and paying for this wedding and so they feel they should be able to make it a little easier on themselves.

    FWIW, FI and I did exactly what we wanted for our wedding and we didn't ask anyone what they thought or what they wanted, but we are paying for and hosting our entire wedding ourselves. That's really the only way to get exactly what you and your FI want.
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  • Yikes, that was long!! Ok, so PP's are right in terms of the decision-making process. If your parents are paying for EVERYthing then they get a whole lot of say, in pretty much everything. Did they know it was your intention to have the wedding in location B before they offered to pay? If they did then I think what they are doing is pretty shady. You have waited two years already, if you can wait a bit longer and save up for the kind of wedding you and FI envisioned in his hometown, then you can make all the decisions. Is this a possibility? It is very nice for your parents to want to gift you a nice honeymoon, but if that is their reasoning for going against your wishes, you need to tell them what is more important to you. "Mom and Dad, I would much rather have FI's whole family share our wedding day with us than take a honeymoon at all'.

    As for your Mom telling you DD can't be your flower girl, that is ridiculous. Of course it is a day about you and your FI saying vows to one another, but it is just as significant for her as it is for the two of you. I could not imagine not having DS be a part of our wedding. It is probably the single most important thing about our wedding to both of us, because it is our family that we have created together. The wedding is really just the icing on the cake!
  • I agree with what pps said. They are paying for everything, so they get a huge say in it. It can't hurt to talk to them about your concerns that you discussed here, but it might be good to have Plan B ready to go... Plan B being that you and your fiance figure out a way to fund the wedding yourselves.


    I can not think of a legitimate, good reason as to why your daughter shouldn't be the FG. Is she still in diapers or something? Does your mom have, dare I say, old-fashioned reasons for thinking it would be in poor taste?
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    To quote HisGirl: "I would have been appalled if my parents had suggested that they wanted to host the wedding in an area that would be convenient to their friends at the expense of people who mattered to DH. That level of rudeness is just astonishing."

    THIS.

    Can you find a way to explain to them what you explained to us, particularly about where you feel most "at home"?

    When people are from different places, unfortunately this is how stuff goes down.  I'll have almost no family at my wedding because they're all overseas. My sister actually tried to plan to get married overseas, but then her now-H's family would have missed the whole thing.  This is a common, no-win situation but as it's YOUR wedding, YOU TWO should have it where YOU want.  If your parents won't pay for that, then you should consider finding a way to pay yourself. 

    And to continue the story of my sister, she ended up scrapping all her plans and having a tiny wedding with just the immediate family present. Several months later H's family planned a family reunion and many more months later we took a trip overseas and had a family  reunion there, so the couple got to meet all the extended family in a much more casual environment. 

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