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On again off again relationship issue...

abrewer5abrewer5 member
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edited April 2014 in Wedding Etiquette Forum

I need help! My head count is due to the venue this week and I still haven't received a response from FI's aunt. After a few phone calls to her from us and his mom trying to get ahold of her she finally emailed me back today.

 

As some back story: She's been on again off again with a guy for a couple months. Their relationship status changes probably every week or so, from GF/BF to engaged to not together at all. My FMIL decided (against my judgement which was expressed multiple times to his mom) not to invite the on again off again boyfriend to the wedding as part of their 75 person limit.

 

So now the Aunt is emailing me asking me whether or not he's invited and if not they'll come for the ceremony and leave or pay for his plate themselves at the reception. She also threw in a line "As you know we got engaged in December and are working on combining households." I sent the email to FMIL who said she will be highly offended if we allow him to come but did not allow her close friends she also had to cut (she originally wanted like 120 invited just for herself). She was also upset about the fact that we did not allow a B list in the first place.. Yep, this is what I've been dealing with all along.

 

I know ettiquette wise he should be invited and should have been in the first place (I did express this to her multiple times), but the week invites were sent out they were "off." I also know he who pays gets a say, so I don't know what to do. At this point FMIL wants me to respond with something generic like "It was really tough to make the guest list but cuts had to be made. Unfortunately we cannot add anyone else to the list." I don't feel like this will solve the issue at all, so it's either I upset his mother who is contributing financially to the wedding, or I upset his aunt (and probably grandmom) for not inviting the boyfriend/fiance/exboyfriend depending on the week. How would you respond?

 

Edited because my paragraphs aren't working.

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  • abrewer5 said:

    I need help! My head count is due to the venue this week and I still haven't received a response from FI's aunt. After a few phone calls to her from us and his mom trying to get ahold of her she finally emailed me back today.

     

    As some back story: She's been on again off again with a guy for a couple months. Their relationship status changes probably every week or so, from GF/BF to engaged to not together at all. My FMIL decided (against my judgement which was expressed multiple times to his mom) not to invite the on again off again boyfriend to the wedding as part of their 75 person limit.

     

    So now the Aunt is emailing me asking me whether or not he's invited and if not they'll come for the ceremony and leave or pay for his plate themselves at the reception. She also threw in a line "As you know we got engaged in December and are working on combining households." I sent the email to FMIL who said she will be highly offended if we allow him to come but did not allow her close friends she also had to cut (she originally wanted like 120 invited just for herself). She was also upset about the fact that we did not allow a B list in the first place.. Yep, this is what I've been dealing with all along.

     

    I know ettiquette wise he should be invited and should have been in the first place (I did express this to her multiple times), but the week invites were sent out they were "off." I also know he who pays gets a say, so I don't know what to do. At this point FMIL wants me to respond with something generic like "It was really tough to make the guest list but cuts had to be made. Unfortunately we cannot add anyone else to the list." I don't feel like this will solve the issue at all, so it's either I upset his mother who is contributing financially to the wedding, or I upset his aunt (and probably grandmom) for not inviting the boyfriend/fiance/exboyfriend depending on the week. How would you respond?

     

    Edited because my paragraphs aren't working.

    Uhm....I would drink. 

    OK, sorry, that's not a super-helpful answer, I realise. 

    You're stuck between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand, your FMIL is paying for at least part of the wedding, and she who pays gets a say. On the other hand, you know that what your FMIL is doing is violating etiquette. On the other other hand, they weren't technically together when the invites went out. On the other other other hand, they're together now.

    How many declines have you had? Is there room to include him? The reality is that neither you nor your FMIL will really notice that he's there, but the aunt will vividly remember, always, that he was snubbed.

    What kind of a relationship do you have with your FMIL? I would probably be inclined to say to her, 'FMIL, I get that you don't want him there, but they are a couple, and we're going to honour that. It would be rude of us to not honour their relationship on a day that's about love and commitment. I'm sorry if you don't agree, but this is our decision.'

    What does your FI think about all of this? This is his mother, so he should be weighing in, too.
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  • I'm sorry to hear that this is happening to you! 

    I would invite your aunt's significant other and apologize to the aunt for the confusion. If there are spaces left after that, I would let FMIL know how many spaces there are for her to invite her friends. 

    Best of luck!
  • If I had the budget and the space, I would invite him.  PP are right, FMIL and you won't care, but aunt will.  If you are at capacity, I'd just say to aunt "I'm sorry that we are unable to invite your SO.  Since the two of you weren't together when we sent the invitations, we did not include him and unfortunately, our plans cannot be changed at this point."
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  • I'm sorry to hear that this is happening to you! 

    I would invite your aunt's significant other and apologize to the aunt for the confusion. If there are spaces left after that, I would let FMIL know how many spaces there are for her to invite her friends. 

    Best of luck!
    NO! This is B-listing and not only is it TERRIBLY rude, in this case, it tells the FMIL that if she whinges enough, she'll get what she wants and it sets a terrible precedent for this couple's married life.

    *STUCK IN BOX*

    @HisGirlFriday13 Interesting. When a similar situation happened to me, this was the general consensus of advice I got from the ladies here. I was concerned that it was B-listing but it was expressed to me that it wasn't. If the invites are already sent out and you have no more room, I guess all you can do at this point is apologize to your aunt, and politely tell FMIL that the guest list is set.
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    abrewer5 said:

    I need help! My head count is due to the venue this week and I still haven't received a response from FI's aunt. After a few phone calls to her from us and his mom trying to get ahold of her she finally emailed me back today.

     

    As some back story: She's been on again off again with a guy for a couple months. Their relationship status changes probably every week or so, from GF/BF to engaged to not together at all. My FMIL decided (against my judgement which was expressed multiple times to his mom) not to invite the on again off again boyfriend to the wedding as part of their 75 person limit.

     

    So now the Aunt is emailing me asking me whether or not he's invited and if not they'll come for the ceremony and leave or pay for his plate themselves at the reception. She also threw in a line "As you know we got engaged in December and are working on combining households." I sent the email to FMIL who said she will be highly offended if we allow him to come but did not allow her close friends she also had to cut (she originally wanted like 120 invited just for herself). She was also upset about the fact that we did not allow a B list in the first place.. Yep, this is what I've been dealing with all along.

     

    I know ettiquette wise he should be invited and should have been in the first place (I did express this to her multiple times), but the week invites were sent out they were "off." I also know he who pays gets a say, so I don't know what to do. At this point FMIL wants me to respond with something generic like "It was really tough to make the guest list but cuts had to be made. Unfortunately we cannot add anyone else to the list." I don't feel like this will solve the issue at all, so it's either I upset his mother who is contributing financially to the wedding, or I upset his aunt (and probably grandmom) for not inviting the boyfriend/fiance/exboyfriend depending on the week. How would you respond?

     

    Edited because my paragraphs aren't working.

    Uhm....I would drink. 

    OK, sorry, that's not a super-helpful answer, I realise. 

    You're stuck between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand, your FMIL is paying for at least part of the wedding, and she who pays gets a say. On the other hand, you know that what your FMIL is doing is violating etiquette. On the other other hand, they weren't technically together when the invites went out. On the other other other hand, they're together now.

    How many declines have you had? Is there room to include him? The reality is that neither you nor your FMIL will really notice that he's there, but the aunt will vividly remember, always, that he was snubbed.

    What kind of a relationship do you have with your FMIL? I would probably be inclined to say to her, 'FMIL, I get that you don't want him there, but they are a couple, and we're going to honour that. It would be rude of us to not honour their relationship on a day that's about love and commitment. I'm sorry if you don't agree, but this is our decision.'

    What does your FI think about all of this? This is his mother, so he should be weighing in, too.

    I 100% agree with drinking. Unfortuantely I don't think wine is strong enough and this will require vodka tonight when I meet with his mom and stepmom about table arrangements.

    I used to be super close to my FMIL but since the wedding planning and buying a house I think she's starting to think of me as taking her baby away. My FI decided the list needed to be cut, but I caught all the heat for it and unfortunately that seems to keep happening.

    As far as how she would handle it if he came, I think she would fly off the handle. She already pulled the "I wanted to add other people and FI wouldn't let me so I would be highly disappointed if he let's BF come when I'm gifting so generously." So the money issue is already being thrown at us... 

    FI thinks he should have been invited in the first place and now that this issue is coming up he is inclined to let him attend.

    I'd like to say his mom wouldn't notice BF at the wedding, but she will and we'll unfortunately never live it down if we allow him to attend.

  • melbenso said:
    If I had the budget and the space, I would invite him.  PP are right, FMIL and you won't care, but aunt will.  If you are at capacity, I'd just say to aunt "I'm sorry that we are unable to invite your SO.  Since the two of you weren't together when we sent the invitations, we did not include him and unfortunately, our plans cannot be changed at this point."
    I would do this. And also follow @hisgirlfriday13's advice and have a drink.
  • abrewer5abrewer5 member
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    edited April 2014
    I'm sorry to hear that this is happening to you! 

    I would invite your aunt's significant other and apologize to the aunt for the confusion. If there are spaces left after that, I would let FMIL know how many spaces there are for her to invite her friends. 

    Best of luck!
    NO! This is B-listing and not only is it TERRIBLY rude, in this case, it tells the FMIL that if she whinges enough, she'll get what she wants and it sets a terrible precedent for this couple's married life.
    I agree with @hisgirlfriday13 on B-listing and already put a stop to this happening. We're 18 days out from the wedding anyway so this wouldn't be possible at this point even if it were an acceptable and appropriate practice.
  • @abrewer5 That's a tough position. I would probably still invite the aunt's SO if FI supported it.
  • I'm sorry to hear that this is happening to you! 

    I would invite your aunt's significant other and apologize to the aunt for the confusion. If there are spaces left after that, I would let FMIL know how many spaces there are for her to invite her friends. 

    Best of luck!
    NO! This is B-listing and not only is it TERRIBLY rude, in this case, it tells the FMIL that if she whinges enough, she'll get what she wants and it sets a terrible precedent for this couple's married life.

    *STUCK IN BOX*

    @HisGirlFriday13 Interesting. When a similar situation happened to me, this was the general consensus of advice I got from the ladies here. I was concerned that it was B-listing but it was expressed to me that it wasn't. If the invites are already sent out and you have no more room, I guess all you can do at this point is apologize to your aunt, and politely tell FMIL that the guest list is set.
    I'd be interested to find out which board/post you read that or what was different about your situation, because from everything I've read on the Etiquette boards, this is most definitely B-Listing and it is not appropriate/polite/etiquette approved, at all.
  • kasmith1 said:
    I'm sorry to hear that this is happening to you! 

    I would invite your aunt's significant other and apologize to the aunt for the confusion. If there are spaces left after that, I would let FMIL know how many spaces there are for her to invite her friends. 

    Best of luck!
    NO! This is B-listing and not only is it TERRIBLY rude, in this case, it tells the FMIL that if she whinges enough, she'll get what she wants and it sets a terrible precedent for this couple's married life.

    *STUCK IN BOX*

    @HisGirlFriday13 Interesting. When a similar situation happened to me, this was the general consensus of advice I got from the ladies here. I was concerned that it was B-listing but it was expressed to me that it wasn't. If the invites are already sent out and you have no more room, I guess all you can do at this point is apologize to your aunt, and politely tell FMIL that the guest list is set.
    I'd be interested to find out which board/post you read that or what was different about your situation, because from everything I've read on the Etiquette boards, this is most definitely B-Listing and it is not appropriate/polite/etiquette approved, at all.
    Ditto. The only time I've seen that advice be offered is if people have started new relationships between when the invites went out and the RSVP date OR if truly-single guests weren't initially given a plus-one and the amount of declines allowed for them to be given a plus-one now.

    Then it's not B-listing, it's extending extra courtesy.
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  • Ugh. I take it "contributing" does not equal "funding in entirety?" If she's not paying for the whole damn shebang, why does she think she gets to control the whole damn guest list? Tough noogies FMIL, groom's family trumps your close friends, and at this particular moment in time, that BF should be considered family because Aunt considers him as such. End of story. His plate will be coming from the chunk of the bill you're not paying.

    Granted, HisGirl's wording is a bit more eloquent. :-p

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  • Clearly you can't make everyone happy. Whatever you decide, just make sure you that you and FI are on the same page! Together the two of you can face the fallout, knowing that you did the best you could. You are not in the wrong here. I also agree that the message needs to come from FI. Best of luck and hugs!

     

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  • phiraphira member
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    1. Drink.
    2. Make your fiance deal with it.
    3. Drink.

    Sorry. I'm not being terribly helpful (well, drinking is helpful!).
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  • I'm sorry to hear that this is happening to you! 

    I would invite your aunt's significant other and apologize to the aunt for the confusion. If there are spaces left after that, I would let FMIL know how many spaces there are for her to invite her friends. 

    Best of luck!
    NO! This is B-listing and not only is it TERRIBLY rude, in this case, it tells the FMIL that if she whinges enough, she'll get what she wants and it sets a terrible precedent for this couple's married life.

    *STUCK IN BOX*

    @HisGirlFriday13 Interesting. When a similar situation happened to me, this was the general consensus of advice I got from the ladies here. I was concerned that it was B-listing but it was expressed to me that it wasn't. If the invites are already sent out and you have no more room, I guess all you can do at this point is apologize to your aunt, and politely tell FMIL that the guest list is set.
    If you're talking about this thread: http://forums.theknot.com/discussion/1017206/invite-conundrum#latest
    that's not at all what you were told.  You were told to figure out how many friends your MIL can invite before the invitations go out.  In this case the invitations are already out; adding more people at this point is B-listing.



  • If it was an on-again-off-again relationship, you should have added him as the aunt's plus one, just in case, and let them figure out if he would come or not. Since you didn't do this, it would be considered B-listing now, since you decided he wasn't important enough to invite in the beginning.  

    You're going to make someone mad no matter what, but don't let it get YOU mad.  Your FMIL, the aunt, the grandma, they can all suck it up if they don't like what choice you make. 

    Whatever you do decide to do, I totally agree with PPs that your FI should tell your FMIL, as it is his family.  

  •  Thanks for the advice everyone. FI is going to talk with his mom tomorrow to see if she'll change her mind at all. I'm so glad others on this post agree with me. I'm really hoping she'll decide this isn't a hill for FI and I to die on with his family. Keeping my fingers crossed.

    Hindsight is 20/20 but I guess I should have never mentioned it to his mom anyway. By the time she found out they would have been at the wedding and there wouldn't be much she could do at that point. 

    I don't think she'll pull her money back, she's already put it toward the venue so I doubt they'd refund it.. But I do think she'd be mad forever basically and never let us live it down. 
  • lc07lc07 member
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    Sorry that you're dealing with this, OP. Let us know how it goes. In the meantime, I'm drinking for you.

    I would invite the SO. I would let FMIL know that FI and I are willing to personally paying for his plate if she threw a fit about money/not being able to invite other people.

  • Soooo...your choices are:

    1. Don't invite him, and the Aunt and Grandmother are pissed forever
    2. Do invite him, and the FMIL is pissed forever
    3. Do invite him, and the FMIL threatens to pull her money

    Yeah, no matter how you slice it, that sucks.

    Whatever message you guys decide on, it needs to come from your FI. If she hears it from you, she's going to assume it's your doing and not his (much like DH's BSC grandmother thinks it's ALL HISGIRL'S FAULT she never sees him anymore. Yeah, OK crazy lady.)

    He should say, 'Mom, we gave in to a lot of your demands, and we did so graciously. This is one we're not giving in on. Aunt's BF is going to be invited. You can like that or not, but if you choose to behave badly and fling a fit at our wedding not only will it reflect TERRIBLY poorly on you -- people will be talking about it for YEARS! -- but it will irreparably damage your and my relationship going forward, because I will be unable to get past the fact that you thought your feelings were more important than mine on my own wedding day. So pick whether you're going to die on this hill, Mom, and recognise that actions have consequences. If your action is to be a drama queen on my wedding day, the consequence will be a dramatically altered relationship between the two of us.'
    So much this.  In fact, print out what HisGirl said and hand it to your FI.  Just have him read it to her.
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  • abrewer5 said:
    The drinking side of me last night thought up a great idea, which I won't do but it would be so nice to email Aunt and say: "I'm sorry Aunt. FMIL decided your on again off again relationship was not important enough to warrant an invite in her 75 person guest limit. So, unfortunately I need to follow her wishes as she would be "highly upset and offended" if he came and cannot extend an invite to BF. If you have questions regarding how cuts were made please contact FMIL. We hope you will still come celebrate with us!"
    I'm evil, but I think this is a great idea. 

    'Dear Aunt -- Actually, FMIL is handling FI's family's side of the guest list, so you'll have to ask her if it's OK.'

    Then let FMIL deal with the fall-out. 

    (OK, it's passive-aggressive and rude, but it would put the blame squarely on your FMIL, so at least Aunt and Grandmother would know where to register their complaints.)
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  • abrewer5abrewer5 member
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    edited April 2014

    abrewer5 said:
    The drinking side of me last night thought up a great idea, which I won't do but it would be so nice to email Aunt and say: "I'm sorry Aunt. FMIL decided your on again off again relationship was not important enough to warrant an invite in her 75 person guest limit. So, unfortunately I need to follow her wishes as she would be "highly upset and offended" if he came and cannot extend an invite to BF. If you have questions regarding how cuts were made please contact FMIL. We hope you will still come celebrate with us!"
    I'm evil, but I think this is a great idea. 

    'Dear Aunt -- Actually, FMIL is handling FI's family's side of the guest list, so you'll have to ask her if it's OK.'

    Then let FMIL deal with the fall-out. 

    (OK, it's passive-aggressive and rude, but it would put the blame squarely on your FMIL, so at least Aunt and Grandmother would know where to register their complaints.)
    Ok Update (and not a good one!) 
    FI talked to FMIL today and she is not budging... and is in fact still crying over having to cut the guest list 3 months ago from 100+ people to 75. Now she is crying how unfair we are being to her because she's the groom's mom.. My parents invited 75 people exactly also, so not unfair at all. Not to mention FI and I didn't want this huge wedding to begin with, we wanted to elope or have a tiny wedding but she was soooo worried about her appearance in front of her friends if we did. So I would like to think we've given on a lot, with the exception of ALL of her demands... which included inviting people my FI hasn't seen in years.  

    So if she wants to be passive aggressive, I'll do it too. I refuse to take the fall for her decision to cut her sister's FI. So I will explain (in nicer terms I guess) that we invited the people on the list our parents provided and any changes this late in the game need to be ran by them. 

    At this point I'm worried about how I'll deal with this forever. I love FI more than anything, and he's tried to manage the situation, but it's really impossible with her. 

    ETA: "..dealing with this forever"= Dealing with FMIL forever. 
  • I still like my initial suggestion of having your FI tell his mother that she needs to think long and hard about the consequences if her actions.

    And yes, tell Aunt to ask FMIL about her BF. At least then Aunt will know who's the bitch.
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  • abrewer5 said:

    abrewer5 said:
    The drinking side of me last night thought up a great idea, which I won't do but it would be so nice to email Aunt and say: "I'm sorry Aunt. FMIL decided your on again off again relationship was not important enough to warrant an invite in her 75 person guest limit. So, unfortunately I need to follow her wishes as she would be "highly upset and offended" if he came and cannot extend an invite to BF. If you have questions regarding how cuts were made please contact FMIL. We hope you will still come celebrate with us!"
    I'm evil, but I think this is a great idea. 

    'Dear Aunt -- Actually, FMIL is handling FI's family's side of the guest list, so you'll have to ask her if it's OK.'

    Then let FMIL deal with the fall-out. 

    (OK, it's passive-aggressive and rude, but it would put the blame squarely on your FMIL, so at least Aunt and Grandmother would know where to register their complaints.)
    Ok Update (and not a good one!) 
    FI talked to FMIL today and she is not budging... and is in fact still crying over having to cut the guest list 3 months ago from 100+ people to 75. Now she is crying how unfair we are being to her because she's the groom's mom.. My parents invited 75 people exactly also, so not unfair at all. Not to mention FI and I didn't want this huge wedding to begin with, we wanted to elope or have a tiny wedding but she was soooo worried about her appearance in front of her friends if we did. So I would like to think we've given on a lot, with the exception of ALL of her demands... which included inviting people my FI hasn't seen in years.  

    So if she wants to be passive aggressive, I'll do it too. I refuse to take the fall for her decision to cut her sister's FI. So I will explain (in nicer terms I guess) that we invited the people on the list our parents provided and any changes this late in the game need to be ran by them. 

    At this point I'm worried about how I'll deal with this forever. I love FI more than anything, and he's tried to manage the situation, but it's really impossible with her. 

    ETA: "..dealing with this forever"= Dealing with FMIL forever. 
    I think that's absolutely the right thing to do. This is their family drama and you don't need to be looped into it. Just tell her you hope to see her at the wedding and to discuss this with your FMIL, who is handling the guest list for FI's side of the family. Then have your FI ask your FMIL what aunt's RSVP ends up being.
  • Viczaesar said:
    I'm sorry to hear that this is happening to you! 

    I would invite your aunt's significant other and apologize to the aunt for the confusion. If there are spaces left after that, I would let FMIL know how many spaces there are for her to invite her friends. 

    Best of luck!
    NO! This is B-listing and not only is it TERRIBLY rude, in this case, it tells the FMIL that if she whinges enough, she'll get what she wants and it sets a terrible precedent for this couple's married life.

    *STUCK IN BOX*

    @HisGirlFriday13 Interesting. When a similar situation happened to me, this was the general consensus of advice I got from the ladies here. I was concerned that it was B-listing but it was expressed to me that it wasn't. If the invites are already sent out and you have no more room, I guess all you can do at this point is apologize to your aunt, and politely tell FMIL that the guest list is set.
    If you're talking about this thread: http://forums.theknot.com/discussion/1017206/invite-conundrum#latest
    that's not at all what you were told.  You were told to figure out how many friends your MIL can invite before the invitations go out.  In this case the invitations are already out; adding more people at this point is B-listing.
    That makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up!
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