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Help me fix some busted logic about etiquette

edited May 2014 in Wedding Etiquette Forum
I'm back again with another question, but this time it has nothing to do with my boss (other than letting y'all know about her mom telling my co-worker, who is also declining, to send in her response card ASAP because they have some other people they'd like to invite in her place)

Saturday night, my SO and I were chatting about various etiquette-related things, mostly about inviting SOs and whether or not it's "in the rules that you have to have an open bar." He expressed some of the same concerns that we hear on here often; why should I pay for someone who I barely know to come to my wedding? Also, open bars are expensive, why do I have to pay for everyone's drinks? I told him that I agree and realize that weddings are expensive, but that's why you have to be very considerate of who you put on the guest list because you have to do the right thing for the guests you DO choose to invite. Then the conversation took this turn:

Him: "I just don't understand why I have to pay for people to come to my wedding."
Me: "What's not to understand...you're hosting an event, you pay for it."
Him: "Well, I mean, if I'm hosting my birthday party at a nightclub, I don't pay for everyone's cover at the door nor do I pay for them to drink all night!" (Keep in mind he's a DJ, this is where his realm of understanding is at)
Me: "It's not THAT kind of 'hosting', I hope you would never charge your wedding guest a cover at the door, and please stop comparing a wedding to a nightclub. Also, it's technically wrong to throw your own party in your own honor, just FYI."
Him: "I just don't see how it makes sense that I have to pay for people to come support me. If they're supposed to be supporting me, shouldn't they be paying for themselves?"

He didn't like the "if you invited people over to your house, would you charge them?" analogy, he said that's totally different. He sorta-kinda got it when I explained why a reception is called such a name, that we as husband and wife are receiving and thanking our guests for coming to witness us get married, but he still pressed the issue of paying for people to support us and how that sounds like backwards logic. I think he's hung up on the word "support." But even after saying that we're paying for people to celebrate with us, honor the union with us, etc. I still don't get an agreement.

Luckily, this isn't a real issue yet. We aren't "officially" engaged because he wants to be traditional and become engaged when he proposes, and I'm cool with that. We did draw up a tentative guest list following this conversation, and it was pared down WAYYY further from when we first started talking marriage because he finally gets how much money goes into it. I still want him to *agree* with the reasoning behind why the bride and groom pay for everything and never make their guests open their wallets. How would you knock this sense into your SO/FI/DH if he were as dense and misguided as mine :P ?

Sidenote: He did eventually have a lightbulb moment about throwing an "at-home" reception in Boston for people who can't make it to an upstate NY wedding that we'd have to have because of my dad's medical issues: "So wait, I gotta pay for the people who CAN make it, and for the people who can't, I gotta pay for ANOTHER party?? No freaking way. I'd rather try to help everyone get to the real wedding. I'm not paying for two parties."

Edited to make paragraphs; apparently TK is boycotting my recents attempts at formatting

Re: Help me fix some busted logic about etiquette

  • Being at a club to party with your friends is entirely different from hosting a wedding.

    -When you go to a club to party with your friends, you are not a host. You aren't renting out a space and making it exclusively for your friends. You are not checking invitations or a guest list to make sure that only your guests can come in. You are not issuing formal invitations. A birthday party invite is more like a suggestion--you have recommended that people come to a certain place at a certain time. You and everyone else there are more like guests of the club- it is the servers' responsibility to see that you have food and drink and a pleasant atmosphere. So, in a sense, the club is hosting you (and you are paying them individually to do so).

    -When you host a wedding reception, you are not celebrating yourself. You are celebrating your guests. The reception thanks them for attending your wedding, but it also thanks them for their honoring your relationship, for their generosity with wedding gifts, for their love and friendship, for the time they have taken to be there with you. How you choose to do that is up to you--from simple dessert and some drinks, to a lavish party with several courses and dancing all night. But remember that this is for your guests, so they should never open their wallets. (If your FI is stuck on the word support, remind him that you are not a charity in need of financial donations. People support you in other ways--not monetarily.)

    I was going to talk more but it's almost 5 and I want to go home.
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  • I'm curious. Has he been to other people's weddings and had to pay? (Cash bar, etc?) That might be skewing his frame of reference. 

    If he doesn't like the "hosting at home" analogy, how about reminding him of other parties he's been to where it is normal to expect someone to serve refreshments afterwards after the guests have come, brought gifts, and/or offered their time in "support" of the person or the event: graduation parties, private concerts, events with keynote speakers? Funerals? Other people's birthdays or weddings? Even some theatrical premieres or charities do this (although most charge for tickets, so not as good a comparison). 

    I would break it down pretty simply: These people "supported" you by flying/driving/taking a magic carpet over to see you get married. They've sat through your ceremony, and some have spent months offering advice or helping you cope with miscellaneous details. The LEAST YOU CAN DO is feed them. And not charge them for that. :-)

  • Might work to play into his ego...all men love to have it stroked :)

    Would he rather be remembered as the wedding that was 'typical' or the wedding that went above and beyond people's expectations by properly taking care of his guests?

  • doeydodoeydo member
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    Your guests are supporting you just by attending your ceremony and giving you their well wishes and blessings.  They do not need to pay for alcohol, food, or give gifts to show you their "support".  You could easily choose to have a JOP ceremony and simple cake and punch reception afterwards as a thank you to your guests for their support/coming to your ceremony.  If you choose to have alcohol or anything else that might cost more at your reception, it is your responsibility to pay for it, not your guests'.
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  • Would he be OK to have to pay for his turkey dinner and beer on Thanksgiving at a family member 's home? Doesn't he support the family? Why doesn't he pay for his meal?
  • doeydo said:
    Your guests are supporting you just by attending your ceremony and giving you their well wishes and blessings.  They do not need to pay for alcohol, food, or give gifts to show you their "support".  You could easily choose to have a JOP ceremony and simple cake and punch reception afterwards as a thank you to your guests for their support/coming to your ceremony.  If you choose to have alcohol or anything else that might cost more at your reception, it is your responsibility to pay for it, not your guests'.
    This.  Your guests don't have any say in how you choose to throw your wedding reception.  If you want a nice venue, good food, etc. that's great, but your guests can't be expected to foot the bill.  
  • banana468 said:
    Would he be OK to have to pay for his turkey dinner and beer on Thanksgiving at a family member 's home? Doesn't he support the family? Why doesn't he pay for his meal?

    all of this! :)...I might actually have to use this with my FI.. he and I have "discussed" why certain things are etiquette and he just doesn't get it, but we are still doing it "right"
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  • Thanks for all the responses ladies! I'm 99.9% sure he's never been to a wedding before, but we go to house parties ALL THE TIME because his family is huge and his friend network is huge, and aside from me bringing a lasagna the last couple time, we're never asked to contribute or pay for anything ever, so that's a comparison he might understand. I also like @CrazyCatLady3's point of throwing the party the way we choose to, and how that's our prerogative but guests shouldn't be responsible for it. 

    Wouldn't you know, I offered a less expensive alternative such as a brunch- or lunch-time wedding, to which he responded "No, I want a traditional wedding with a full dinner, especially if we're making people go all the way to NY for it" :) I'll take the small victories now while I can get them!
  • It sounds to me like your FI has an issue paying for a wedding at all....he makes it sound like the guests are on his payroll for "supporting" you guys. Making sure they don't have to work or open their wallets is part of thanking them and hosting them properly. I also find it funny he regrets the inconvenience of guests who have to travel yet he would still have them spend even MORE money on their own drinks.
  • LDay2014 said:
    Might work to play into his ego...all men love to have it stroked :)

    Would he rather be remembered as the wedding that was 'typical' or the wedding that went above and beyond people's expectations by properly taking care of his guests?

    I got a lot of mileage out of this one with my FI.  He was totally aghast at the idea of paying for an open bar because he's never been to a wedding with an all-night open bar.  He was (reasonably) worried most about the cost, but also just thought it wasn't something we needed to worry about.

    Finding a venue where we could host an open bar all night for less than $1K also helped sway him (hiring our own bartender and supplying all of the drinks ourselves).

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  • Jen4948Jen4948 member
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    I think that your FI simply doesn't understand that parties outside of bars, clubs, and lounges require him to pay for it all.  Even at bars, clubs, and lounges, people don't appreciate being charged cover charges or for drinks or parking if someone invited them to a party there.

    Hosting means you cover the charges-not the guests.  "Supporting" the persons who invited you does not mean paying for yourself.

    Your FI needs some re-education.  If he expects the guests to pay for everything, they are all going to be intensely pissed at him, and he won't get any invitations in the future.
  • So I talked to him again last night, I threw at him the comparisons of when we go to family parties and house parties and why we don't ever have to contribute anything for food or drinks: because the person throwing the party has decided to host people, so they foot the bill. I even reminded him about his birthday party that I threw at his friend's house, how I had to get all of the food, drinks, decorations, cake, etc. because I'M the one who wanted to throw the party, and I was totally ok with that.

    He finally agreed that it's only right for the bride and groom to pay for their own wedding. He said that the birthday-at-a-club comparison didn't make much sense. He is still, however, stuck on the whole issue of inviting SOs that he hardly knows (although he promises to get over it). He said he understands why my boss didn't feel like paying for him to eat on her dime, although we BOTH agree that it's messed up for her to have chosen a fancy venue that she can't fully afford without pushing the cost of the drinks via cash bar onto her guests. He says he doesn't want to be that cheap on his wedding day. Etiquette wins again!
  • FI had some trouble with the whole "inviting SOs he's never met" thing at first, until I reminded him that I haven't met half of his family yet (literally 50 people), and won't until the wedding day. We're obviously not going to exclude his own family just because I haven't met them, so that excuse goes out the window.

    Everyone has a "first time" they meet someone. And nowadays, it seems it's more often than not at a major event because we're all so busy with other things, live far away, etc. The first time FI and I met each other's family was on Thanksgiving, yet each respective family didn't object to a stranger coming to a family event and eating their food, because they knew "this is someone my loved one feels is significant enough to bring to our crazy family function, so they need to be significant to me."

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  • My FI and I recently received invites from two of his college friends. My name was not on either of them, and so I told him, based on etiquette, I'm not technically invited. He said that because there is a "number of guests" line on the RSVP, that I am. Nope! One of the weddings is this weekend, and FI received a text yesterday saying "You can bring Alikat if you want (I hope that's her name?)" This is when it hit home that 1., I wasn't orginally invited and only am now b/c it's days away and they had declines, 2., really?! You don't know my freaking name? We've been dating for 3 years, we've been engaged since October, and we sent you a STD with our names and pictures on them! I couldn't attend anyway, since I have to work, and FI is only going because he offered to film the ceremony as a wedding gift.
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