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NWR: Need some support! *Raw and honest post

Sugargirl1019Sugargirl1019 member
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edited June 2014 in Chit Chat
Very long!

I've been pretty quiet since last weekend after my bridal shower. Why, you may ask? We have 42 days until the wedding, we have design meetings coming up for the house we are building.... And we got hit with a huge, HUGE totally unexpected financial burden. Thousands, totally unaccounted for.

We had to reorganize our savings and budget to cover this. Our down payment account was wiped out. Fi and I did everything possible to make sure this burden was taken care of immediately without my credit being harmed, and also to make sure that no bill got paid late, that we would have enough. We had to guarantee that my credit would not be destroyed by taking out credit cards or loans because if that happened, I would have probably lost our mortgage.

We spent every single day after work writing wedding bills down that still had to be paid, our own house bills, and when our paychecks would come in. We both just started new jobs since we moved and the paychecks don't come until after mid June.

I think I cried every single day, realizing how little we have now. We were so confident before, and then were hit suddenly. Please, always always have an emergency fund of as much as you can put in.

The next 6-7 months are going to be so so hard. But I am proud to say we will be debt free at the end of this. We will pay off thousands of dollars in expenses that had originally been saved for, and save a down payment of 45 thousand, in 7 months. The excel sheet proves we can do it.

I am proud to say that we can pay off all our bills without hurting my credit. We can pay half of our needed down payment if we save every penny and not spend it on frivolous gas and coffee and getting nails done for my wedding. We returned everything we could for extra cash. We sold things. We called companys and ended our contract with them or lowered our cell phone plan to save money. FI just got accepted for a second job to put all those extra hours over his salaried job towards our down payment. He will work after his job until closing, and then wake up at 5 to be at work at 7 the next morning. I, as a nurse, am working shifts that have higher pay and am picking up extra shifts for over time. It makes me cry to think of how little time I will see him. How hard he will work and how tired he will be.

There were moments I realized why finances are the #1 reason for divorce. Seeing red numbers in the thousands was beyond frightening. I was furious at FI, trying to blame him for things.

But at the same time, I realized how I would never have gotten through this without him. We are fighting for the next 7 months to make it and come out on top. Ive learned a lot about who we really are. You don't know a person until everything you have has been stripped away. We will get through this together, and I am proud to marry FI, who is taking a second job at a grocery store for minimum wage even though he has a college degree and a salaried engineering job.

I just need some cheerleaders, to tell us that we can do this. We can live like no one else so that we can live like nobody else. No driving around for fun, no buying healthy expensive groceries, no fun expenses. But we will be debt free when its all over.

And I did not do a go fund me. *high five

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Re: NWR: Need some support! *Raw and honest post

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    Sounds like you guys have a solid plan in place. All the best!
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    You can totally do this!  I'm constantly humbled by hearing stories of families who make ends meet with the worst financial circumstances.  It's all about really learning the difference between WANTS and NEEDS (which I admit, I'm still struggling with!).  

    Sounds like you both are headed in the right direction.  It'll be tough, and a few bumps may come along in the road ahead, but what's so important is that you're both on the same page.  Keep communicating together about your finances and goals.  That's what's so important--and I think that's what leads to a lot of divorces (when the couples don't agree on how to handle finances and financial crises).  

    Good luck with everything!  It will make you both stronger as individuals and as a couple in the end!

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    Dave Ramsey would definitely approve.  I'm assuming some of his influence is involved here?  If not, you might want to check out Financial Peace and Financial Peace University.

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    We went through something similar a month ago. It was 100% FI's doing and I too can see how finances can ruin a marriage. To be set back thousands of dollars mere months before a wedding is hard. Restructuring ones entire budget and life is hatd. Trying not to lose control emotionally is harder.

    Good luck to you. You sound like you have a good team mate.
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    My DH and I were very frugal for the first 35 years of our marriage.  We saved money.  No credit card debts, ever!  We drove old cars.  Vacations usually meant visiting the grandparents.  Our kids had weekend and summer jobs as soon as they turned 16.  Our first house was in a good neighborhood, but it was definitely a fixer-upper!  We put in a lot of sweat equity.
    When it was time for the kids to go to college, we had the money.  No student loans necessary.  Daughter got a free ride for two years on scholarship, anyway.  When she graduated, we helped her buy a house.
    At age 55, we had enough saved to retire.  We moved to the less expensive area of western Colorado, where houses are much cheaper than Washington, DC.  We currently are saving 25% of our income, now that our house is paid off.  We bought new cars for the first time in our lives about 6 years ago. In the last twelve years we have been on 17 cruises.  We also were able to pay for daughter's wedding without dipping into our savings account.
    I highly recommend your approach to financial problems.  Life is good for us.  If I had to do it all over again, I would do the same.  I think that the learning you will do getting through this will be some of the most valuable experience you will get in life.  Good luck to you both!
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    Thank you guys. I'm still so emotional about it all, I started crying reading your responses. Yes, Dave Ramsey is a huge influence here. I've been following his ways since high school. Never had a debt except student loans. Fi, on the other hand, has done everything from payday loans to pawn shops to paying bills back really late and letting 0% interest cards go to 25.99% interest. So I don't want to blame it all on FI and his secrets but we've definitely got everything under control and we know everything financially about each other and there's no more secrets. And we've written statements to each other about what we will (and will not do!) to ensure our financial success.

    Super emotional. Thanks guys.

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    You got this!!!  You sound like you and your Fi are now on the same page and working hard to reach your goals.

    I am truly inspired by your story.  I'm graduating with huge student loans.  Basically the size of a moderate mortgage.  I know that law degree will pay off in the end but it can be discouraging to think of the total amount.  Fi and I have talked a lot about the way we will live and the things that are important.  We made our wedding budget from the total amount we can save after making 10-year-plan student loan payments.  So the wedding will be paid for in cash.  Next up is to start whacking away at that student debt and saving for a down payment.  It's a long road but I know we will get there.

    I've never heard of Dave Ramsey but I'm going to Google him right now!
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    You guys sound like you're in a good place now, which will only be better for you in the long run, even though it's a huge mountain to climb at the moment. 

    And I think this story should inspire any of the almost special snowflakes who think they need a cash bar or a Honeyfund or heaven forbid, a gofundme to have a lovely wedding.
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    It sounds like you have a good plan in place and good luck!!!!

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    lc07lc07 member
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    ***HUGS***

    I'm so very proud of how you are handling this. It's HARD. I obviously don't know the details of your situation but have gone through some very scary financial troubles and I know what a toll it can take on you personally, your relationship, your health. etc. Keep communicating. Go to therapy together. You can do this if you guys stay as a team.
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    It's very scary to have your finances screwed up, but the important thing it that the two of you are tackling this as a team. I know it's going to be tough to stick to your financial "diet", I know it's going to suck saying "no" to coffee shop coffee, and nights out, and whatever else you enjoy, but you can do it, and when it's over you're going to be in a much better place. Keep facing this problem, and any other problems you encounter, together, and you'll be just fine!
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    You have a solid plan in place - good luck!
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    Oh Sugargirl, I'm so sorry you're going through this but I'm so proud of you and your FI for sticking it out and doing what it takes to avoid going into debt. It will all pay off in the end, and you'll get through it together.

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    It sounds like a miserable situation but one that you and FI are handling beautifully. You should be proud!

    FI and I have been lucky not to deal with anything that extreme yet but are trying to plan for that possibility. We had the "bare your soul" money talk pretty early on as we knew we wanted to get married soon after meeting and wanted to give the other fair warning.

    Remember this: adopting these new habits will make it easier for you to rebuild your savings much faster once the debts are paid. After a while, the great habits for savings you're developing will become second nature.
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    Get it girl! If you can survive this you can survive anything.
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    Good luck! It is a crappy situation, I have gone through financial struggles and I know the toll it can take on you emotionally and even physically. It sounds like you both have a solid plan in place, and in the end, you will come out of this stronger as a couple.
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    You can do this! I really think FI and I will have a similar financial diet once July comes in a we move. He is the only one working and he will possibly go back to school for his masters and cut back on some hours. 

    I have a ton of savings (of which about a portion is to pay for my half of the wedding/hm) and we are now going to have living expenses. 

    I am starting Med School and will graduate with Loan Debt that is basically a house. My family has offered to help us but we are really independent and hate to bother people so we will be trying to do everything ourselves. FI is much more savvy and prepared for financial situations than I am but I am pretty good at saving and such. 

    Best of luck to you and know that this is only a step in your path and once you come out of this things will flourish.


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    Sugargirl1019Sugargirl1019 member
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    I can't do this anymore! I'm just so so frustrated and sick of crying every day as more and more happens in a bad way.

    We paid off one of FIs very late phone bills today in full - he had this number in our budget which was twice the normal bill for this months payment in order to get it up to date. Well he goes online to initiate the payment and the FUCKING. BILL. IS. 700. DOLLARS. I completely lost it and can't even function. He "didn't know they would add more fees". Another 500 dollars out of fucking nowhere!

    I didn't eat lunch today because I forgot my lunch at home. Did I go use my debit card in the cafeteria? No! Because we don't have the money!

    And now he's throwing a fit about how I still have a debit card attached to the bill pay account and he doesn't have a card. He feels like he can't have access to the money. I exploded again saying why the hell do you feel you need access to our money? you don't deserve access with the way you waste it! Who's the trustworthy one here?! I starved rather than spend money!

    (ETA: he gets money transferred into his checking account when we know how much "fun money" we have left. This includes necessary gas.)

    I'm so fucking pissed guys, please help calm me down. I know I am wrong to explode, but it built up again over the past few days and I just can't take it anymore.

    My mother is mediating currently. I can't even walk into that room at the moment.

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    RebeccaB88RebeccaB88 member
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    Sugargirl, I'm so sorry. I'd be livid too. It doesn't sound like your FI really read or understood the phone contract at all. Is this normal for him, to just not know what he's signing? If it is, that's a concern for the long term.

    I'm just curious, and maybe we could help you brainstorm ideas better if we knew, but is all the stuff you're working on budgeting for and paying off now, new stuff that has literally JUST HAPPENED in the past few weeks/months, or is this stuff that's old (on his end) and you're just now finding out about it?  As in, was he keeping these bills from you (purposely or not), and did you find out about them by accident?  Or did he just not think any of it was a big deal?

    While I know we all applaud you and your work to get things paid off so you can start married life fresh and debt-free, if your FI has a long standing habit of running up bills and not paying them, then I think you're in a very different situation and we could better help or support you by knowing more about the situation.  Which, is really none of our business if you don't feel like sharing with us.  But, you can put in all the work you want to now, and if he doesn't permanently change the way he operates, you will be in this situation the entirety of your marriage. And it sounds like he's already chafing against and maybe resentful of the budget you two set up together, which can set the stage for sabotage. He needs to learn once and for all that his shit stops NOW and you aren't going to run around cleaning up his messes for the rest of your life.
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    Maybe this is out of line, but would it be a good idea to postpone the wedding for a little while?  I'm NOT saying you need to leave your FI or anything like that.  If you love him, and he wants to work on things, then definitely stay together and work on things!  

    But it just seems like this is a lot of stress and (rightful!) frustration looming over your head.  I wouldn't want you entering the marriage with any resentment or mistrust towards him.  I know you may already have financial obligations towards the wedding, but your marriage is always more important than financial concerns.  Just want you to be able to start it on the right foot!  Hope things get better soon!

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    Personally, I would postpone the wedding. Not because your FI is a bad person but because these are very serious problems that destroy marriages every day and make your compatibility questionable. You guys need to figure out if you can fix this and actually fix it before moving forward with marriage. And that will take time.

    I'm really sorry. I want to hug you. I've been in very similar shoes to yours.
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    Sugargirl1019Sugargirl1019 member
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    Sugargirl, I'm so sorry. I'd be livid too. It doesn't sound like your FI really read or understood the phone contract at all. Is this normal for him, to just not know what he's signing? If it is, that's a concern for the long term.

    I'm just curious, and maybe we could help you brainstorm ideas better if we knew, but is all the stuff you're working on budgeting for and paying off now, new stuff that has literally JUST HAPPENED in the past few weeks/months, or is this stuff that's old (on his end) and you're just now finding out about it?  As in, was he keeping these bills from you (purposely or not), and did you find out about them by accident?  Or did he just not think any of it was a big deal?

    While I know we all applaud you and your work to get things paid off so you can start married life fresh and debt-free, if your FI has a long standing habit of running up bills and not paying them, then I think you're in a very different situation and we could better help or support you by knowing more about the situation.  Which, is really none of our business if you don't feel like sharing with us.  But, you can put in all the work you want to now, and if he doesn't permanently change the way he operates, you will be in this situation the entirety of your marriage. And it sounds like he's already chafing against and maybe resentful of the budget you two set up together, which can set the stage for sabotage. He needs to learn once and for all that his shit stops NOW and you aren't going to run around cleaning up his messes for the rest of your life.

    All the frustrations are bills that he has finally laid out on the table within the past few weeks. This phone bill thing, I don't even know. He told me he was late on it, that the payment was now y instead of x. So we budgeted for it. I don't know why he didn't think to make sure no more late fees would be tacked on every time you aren't up to date. They got added on obviously more than once. But now the payment is xyz. He had all of his bills set up to pay on the LAST day to pay. Big error. Its a huge process getting him to think differently about money and paying bills the month before even though its a July 1st due date bill.
    (ETA: he felt the bills were not that big of a deal, and never told me about them because I am type a over money and he didn't want me to get upset.

    We are already having (free!) financial peace counseling, and we have sessions that focus on reacting to mistakes made in the budget. For me, not crying and getting angry and blaming it on him, and for him, taking action and caring to make sure it doesn't happen again. I got corrected the first week A LOT, I showed my bewilderment and frustration too heavily to move forward in the discussion. Even making shocked faces at numbers got me in trouble. Working on it.

    I think he cares, he has gotten his second job, but I think he needs to make more progress mentally. He didn't understand where any gas money was coming from and didn't take kindly to the suggestion that he needs to cancel his satellite radio.....but that was addressed tonight.

    We really do have a lot of support to make sure we succeed financially through all of this, so thank you for offering to help with budget plans. Just needed to vent, because I don't feel I can vent completely about these things I've already expressed and am being told to not express in that manner because it's hurting FI. I just had to vent my bewilderment and shock. I've since sat down at the table again and not made ugly faces or comments about ridiculous bills that should never have been there.

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    I am sending thoughts and prayers your way. Finances are the #1 thing to hurt a relationship, and this is a recipe for a lot of hurt. /loves on you
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    I really understand what you are going through, and give you lots of kudos for staying calm and having a plan.

    My DH and I went through this last Christmas. He got laid off and we spent months trying to make my salary work for two. Then he got a new job, and spent another two months waiting for his first paycheck. There is almost nothing worse than having no idea how you are going to get food (even ramen), not being able to drive anywhere and being ashamed and making excuses for not hanging out with friends, questioning if you really need new socks, etc.

    It's obscenely hard and scary. I couldn't eat or sleep for a solid week before Christmas because of the overwhelming stress. Hold your head high and keep looking forward. Be proud that you aren't being crushed by something that does destroy so many marriages.



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