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Flower Girl woes

So here's the story. FI and I's wedding is in October. We asked our BP members in March. We asked my aunt if in my 7-year-old cousin could be our ring bearer. She was super excited and immediately said yes. FI asked his uncle if his 5-year-old cousin could be our flower girl. He said that would be great. Awesome. We were all excited.

FMIL is an amazingly gifted seamstress. She is graciously doing all of my alterations and will not accept payment. She also offered to make the dress for the flower girl. So I purchased all the materials for the dress, she took FI's cousins measurements (with a little room added in case she grew), and spent hours and hours making the most lovely flower girl dress I've ever seen. I almost cried when I saw it because I could tell how much effort she'd put into every detail of it, including hand stitching super delicate beading on it. It was all WAY above and beyond what I would have ever expected or imagined. But I thanked her profusely of course.

So now last week, FI's uncle calls him and says that cousin has decided she doesn't want to be in the wedding and won't be convinced otherwise. We were kind of like "Well she's 5, she's going to change her mind 15 more times between now and October, it'll be ok." But FI's aunt and uncle are convinced that she won't do it and told us we should plan on her not being in it. 

Not having a flower girl is not the end of the world to me or FI by any means. I don't really care. But FMIL was beyond bummed when she found out, of course, because she'd spent so much time working on this dress. I suggested we sell the dress on Etsy or something since it's so beautiful, but she didn't want to do that. She asked me if I knew any other little girl the same size who could be the flower girl. I immediately thought of TK and all the lectures about not replacing a BP member and said that I didn't think that would be ok. FMIL kept pushing though, saying that she really was bummed about making the dress and now it's being all a waste. She wasn't trying to guilt trip, but I felt really bad. 

Anyway, I was explaining all of this to MOH last night (basically just venting) and MOH said "You know, I'm not telling you what to do at all. It's up to you and I get that you don't want to replace her. But my little sister has always wanted to be a flower girl and I know she'd be so excited if you wanted her to do it." MOH's family and I are super close and I love her little sister. I probably would have asked her to be the flower girl if FI hadn't wanted his cousin to do it, and we didn't want more than a couple kids in it because our wedding is really small. I told MOH I just wasn't sure about it.

I know asking MOH's sister (or really MOH's parents, but I know they'd say yes and be thrilled) would make FMIL happy (the girls are the same age and wear the same size clothes) because the dress would be used, obviously a 5-year-old isn't going to know she was the "replacement" and have hurt feelings about it. And I don't think FI's aunt/uncle would care at all. 

Thoughts? I don't want to go against a TK rule (a rule that definitely makes sense), but it's so tempting to do so to not hurt FMIL's feelings and offend all her hard work. 

Re: Flower Girl woes

  • I agree with @artbyallie.  I'd be willing to let the MOH's sister be the flower girl instead of your cousin and hopefully that would make everyone happy.

    But what would you do if your cousin decides that she does want to be your flower girl just as adamantly as she decided she didn't?  I think you'll have to tell her (or at least her parents) in that case that she doesn't get to change her mind back.
  • I would go ahead and ask the MOH's sister.  The replacement thing has to do with hurting feelings and making people feel like props.  Since both girls are too young to really understand the replacement and the whole situation, they won't have their feelings hurt over it. There's no way I would let the sister know that she's second choice, though.

    If the cousin does change her mind and decide she wants to do it, I would go buy her (or have her parents buy her) an off the rack dress and have both girls.  It would be pretty crappy to tell the cousin that she couldn't change her mind back because you'd filled the roll.  Again, there's no reason for her to know that you weren't going to ask them both in the first place, even though her parents know.  
  • Just wait. Like you said, she'll change her mind 15 times before October. Show her the dress and you might just change her mind.
  • Gotta go with MyNameisNot on this one. Let the new little girl wear FMIL's lovely dress. I would be more concerned with a 5 year old who gets to make these important choices on her own.  Will she throw a tantrum at the wedding, last minute, and have her parents sit and do nothing as she ruins your wedding?  Will she say "yes" then look at the aisle and change her mind again?  This kid has way too much control in her house and that could impact your wedding in all kinds of unhappy ways.
  • Gotta go with MyNameisNot on this one. Let the new little girl wear FMIL's lovely dress. I would be more concerned with a 5 year old who gets to make these important choices on her own.  Will she throw a tantrum at the wedding, last minute, and have her parents sit and do nothing as she ruins your wedding?  Will she say "yes" then look at the aisle and change her mind again?  This kid has way too much control in her house and that could impact your wedding in all kinds of unhappy ways.
    Ordinarily I would say these are things you have to expect with any flower girl. If you're not okay with the child deciding not to go down the aisle, then you shouldn't have children in the wedding. My mom's flower girl was having none of it. One of my mom's favorite pictures is her aunt, the FG's mom, down on the floor pleading with her to walk. She also has formal portraits in which the basket is on the ground because FG refused to even touch it.

    I wasn't sure if my ringbearer would walk, since he hid every time we tried to bring it up before the rehearsal. I'm still half-convinced his leg being broken and having to be in a wheelchair with a cast up to his hip is the main reason he behaved in the wedding.

    All that said, I do agree that if it is so important to FMIL to have the dress she made go down the aisle, it is probably best to go with the more mature and better-behaved of the two. I'm just pointing out that all kids have bad days, especially when they're under pressure to perform.
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  • I, too, agree with MyNameIsNot for this one. 
    What did you think would happen if you walked up to a group of internet strangers and told them to get shoehorned by their lady doc?~StageManager14
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  • Gotta go with MyNameisNot on this one. Let the new little girl wear FMIL's lovely dress. I would be more concerned with a 5 year old who gets to make these important choices on her own.  Will she throw a tantrum at the wedding, last minute, and have her parents sit and do nothing as she ruins your wedding?  Will she say "yes" then look at the aisle and change her mind again?  This kid has way too much control in her house and that could impact your wedding in all kinds of unhappy ways.
    So you're saying the parents should force her to be in the wedding?  Because forcing a five-year-old to do something against their will always turns out well.  

    You have no idea what kind of parenting style they have.  Maybe they know that if their kid says she doesn't want to do something it's going to be a disaster and that's why they are saying don't count on her being in the wedding.  In parenting you choose your battles.  Being in a wedding is not in the best  interest of the child so it's not something you demand they do.  Now if they insist on candy for dinner, playing in traffic, etc. you fight those battles.  

    And seriously you could have a kid who is excited about the wedding for every second and wants to be in it and then freaks out at the last minute.  That's kids.  
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  • Can you just give the dress to FI cousin for her to wear regardless of whether or not she actually walks down the aisle? That's what I would do. She can wear it to the wedding and if she wants to act as the flower girl on the wedding day great; if not, at least someone is wearing the dress FMIL spent so much time making.

    Personally, I think it gets sticky asking someone else, as PPs have mentioned the cousin may decide she does want to do it later.

  • Can you just give the dress to FI cousin for her to wear regardless of whether or not she actually walks down the aisle? That's what I would do. She can wear it to the wedding and if she wants to act as the flower girl on the wedding day great; if not, at least someone is wearing the dress FMIL spent so much time making.

    Personally, I think it gets sticky asking someone else, as PPs have mentioned the cousin may decide she does want to do it later.

    I would not do this.  It's possible that the cousin may decide she wants to do it later, but this is an opportunity for her to learn that her deciding to say no has consequences, one of which is that she doesn't get to change her mind back again and be accommodated.  The dress will get worn by the other flower girl and that's what FMIL wants.
  • Gotta go with MyNameisNot on this one. Let the new little girl wear FMIL's lovely dress. I would be more concerned with a 5 year old who gets to make these important choices on her own.  Will she throw a tantrum at the wedding, last minute, and have her parents sit and do nothing as she ruins your wedding?  Will she say "yes" then look at the aisle and change her mind again?  This kid has way too much control in her house and that could impact your wedding in all kinds of unhappy ways.
    Yeah, I don't understand your line of thinking here. Way too much control? Important choices? If the kid does not want to be the flower girl, she sure as hell should't have to be. I would never force my child to participate in someone's wedding if she didn't want to. 
    What did you think would happen if you walked up to a group of internet strangers and told them to get shoehorned by their lady doc?~StageManager14
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  • I'm confused by the idea that everything might be waiting on a 5 year old to see if she changes her mind.
    She said "no." She doesn't want to be a flower girl. 
    That's okay. Fine. 

    If she was my daughter, that would be the end of that. She wouldn't have the option of keeping the grown ups waiting to see if she feels differently a few weeks from now. If she changed her mind later and her nose was out of joint, too bad. Lesson learned. 

    Another little girl would love to wear the pretty dress and be the flower girl? Problem solved. 
  • Thanks for the feedback all. It's much appreciated.

    I definitely don't feel it's my place to judge FI's aunt and uncle's parenting decisions and I definitely wouldn't expect them to force her to be in it. I am not worried whatsoever about her disrupting the wedding or anything like that - I trust that her parents will make appropriate decisions and having been around this child some, she might be sort of stubborn and hardheaded but she definitely is not a wild child or out of control. 

    However, if we do ask MOH's sister, then I will make sure it has been communicated to them that she can't change her mind back. I don't want to get to the week before and then realize I need to purchase another dress, another flower girl gift, another basket, etc. etc. Do you all think that is fair?

  • Thanks for the feedback all. It's much appreciated.

    I definitely don't feel it's my place to judge FI's aunt and uncle's parenting decisions and I definitely wouldn't expect them to force her to be in it. I am not worried whatsoever about her disrupting the wedding or anything like that - I trust that her parents will make appropriate decisions and having been around this child some, she might be sort of stubborn and hardheaded but she definitely is not a wild child or out of control. 

    However, if we do ask MOH's sister, then I will make sure it has been communicated to them that she can't change her mind back. I don't want to get to the week before and then realize I need to purchase another dress, another flower girl gift, another basket, etc. etc. Do you all think that is fair?

    Yes. But, it would not be your responsibility to buy her the dress. The onus would be on her parents. 
  • lilacck28 said:
    Thanks for the feedback all. It's much appreciated.

    I definitely don't feel it's my place to judge FI's aunt and uncle's parenting decisions and I definitely wouldn't expect them to force her to be in it. I am not worried whatsoever about her disrupting the wedding or anything like that - I trust that her parents will make appropriate decisions and having been around this child some, she might be sort of stubborn and hardheaded but she definitely is not a wild child or out of control. 

    However, if we do ask MOH's sister, then I will make sure it has been communicated to them that she can't change her mind back. I don't want to get to the week before and then realize I need to purchase another dress, another flower girl gift, another basket, etc. etc. Do you all think that is fair?

    Yes. But, it would not be your responsibility to buy her the dress. The onus would be on her parents. 
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  • Gotta go with MyNameisNot on this one. Let the new little girl wear FMIL's lovely dress. I would be more concerned with a 5 year old who gets to make these important choices on her own.  Will she throw a tantrum at the wedding, last minute, and have her parents sit and do nothing as she ruins your wedding?  Will she say "yes" then look at the aisle and change her mind again?  This kid has way too much control in her house and that could impact your wedding in all kinds of unhappy ways.
    Disagree with the bolded. NO CHILD should be forced to be in a wedding - they should be able to accept or decline.  However, they should not be able to flip flop back and forth on it either.  This is an excellent opportunity for this little girl to learn that decisions have consequences.  She may really NOT want to be a FG.  That is all well and fine, but if she declines, that is it.

    I would check with the aunt and uncle one more time and let them know that you understand if the little girl doesn't want to be a FG, but if she doesn't, you are asking someone else and you are just letting them know before you do.  
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