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Feeling crushed. FFIL shared some bad news...

This will be lengthy, but I really need to vent anonymously.  I can't/don't want to talk about this with people I know.

So FI's parents drove across country to go to a family member's baby shower.  His mom flew home because she had work and school, but his dad informed us that he would be coming down to see us for a day.  We thought it was sort of odd since our state is out of the way on his route back home.  But anyway, fast forward to last night.  We went bowling, then to dinner, and then played some putt putt.  Once dinner was over FFIL said "So the reason I came down here is because I have something to tell you guys.  There's no easy way to say it, etc."  And I'm thinking 'oh god, grandpa has cancer' or something.  But no, he informed us that he was having an affair last year, which he said lasted for six months.  He just told FI's mom a few weeks ago and says he is "working on it."  (No explanation as to how; FMIL later told me that he won't go to counseling, even though he was a psych professor...)  

He didn't go into much detail other than once he retired from the military he felt sort of lost and didn't know what he wanted out of life anymore.  FI's mom decided to go back to school and finish her bachelor's and has now applied to PA school.  His dad said that he didn't agree with her decision to start school a few years ago, because he was ready to retire and wanted to travel with her, but he chose to support her since she supported him through his military career.  So he started his own business and works between 60 and 80 hours a week because he has nothing else to do.  He is sad that after 9/11 happened his military career made him miss out on a lot of his family life and if he could go back he would have re-prioritized things.

The horrible part of this is that we know the WOMAN.  We met her at Christmas when we were there and she came over to hang out a few times.  She works at FMIL's office and was friends with FMIL before she ever even met FFIL.  Once they all started hanging out more and more, FMIL became concerned about the woman and her relationship with FFIL, and said she told FFIL a few times that it made her uncomfortable, but he always dismissed her feelings.  I didn't like this woman right off the bat when I met her a few months ago, she was very arrogant.  And if the timeframe of the affair is exactly as FFIL told us, then the affair should have been 'over' when we were there at Christmas, yet this woman was obviously flirting with FI's dad in front of all of us and FI and I commented to each other then on how awkward it was. 

To make matters worse, once FI's mom knew last night that we had been told, she texted me for an hour and a half just venting.  I'm sure she is still emotional but she is not the type to make up drama.  So she gave me a lot more detail than what FFIL gave us, including that he didn't actually tell her about the affair; she found out because her suspicions got so high that she confronted the woman, who eventually admitted it.  Adding insult to injury, she said FFIL said that he liked the other woman's body type and I know this really hurt her self esteem. (FMIL is an absolutely gorgeous woman--not overweight by any means and very youthful looking--I always say I someday hope to look that good when I'm 50!)  She said just in the past two weeks she's lost 20 pounds.  She said she wants someone who adores her and she always considered herself blessed to have what she thought was such a good marriage.  Ugh.  I feel so bad for her.  

This hurts FI and I because they were our biggest marriage role models.  They are always so happy together when we see them, and their happiness makes us happier with each other.  I don't know any other couples who have been married as long as they have that still tickle each other, and tease each other, and cuddle on the couch and such.  We really looked up to them.  They were basically us except 25 years older!

This hurts me because FI has almost the same exact personality as his dad, and so I'm worried now that I'm doomed for the same fate.  They both tend to be 'overly friendly' sometimes with wanting to help people, especially when it comes to the opposite sex.  They're both military and they care a little too much about what people think of them/keeping up their appearances.  But this is something for me to discuss with my therapist.  Ha.

I consider myself closer with FI's mom...since she was a military spouse she is very understanding and helpful about what I'll be going through.  I like FI's dad fine, but a few years ago when my own dad died, FFIL tried a little too hard to step in and be my new father.  So that kind of rubbed me the wrong way.  He has sort of a 'know it all' attitude that bugs both FI and I.  While FI is very similar to his dad, I think he gets along with his mom better too.  He is the oldest son, so kind of a momma's boy...in a good way.  

When we went to bed last night FI said "do you want to talk about this now?"  I said no, we can discuss it later when we're both ready.  I asked him if he was okay and he said "for now."  He said he didn't see the point in yelling at his dad.  (I could have very easily though! lol)  FI just stared at the ceiling for a long time before finally falling asleep.  He was asleep when his mom was texting me, so he doesn't know about that yet.  I'm not going to tell him all of it, because I know they want to talk to each other, but I plan on giving him some more of the details that she gave me.  

I couldn't look FFIL in the eyes after he told us.  This morning when he left we hugged and I just said "I'm disappointed; I thought better of you.  I hope you can work out your issues and I hope you and FMIL can work things out."  Maybe kind of harsh, but I think he deserves some harshness, especially after the condensed explanation he gave us and his half-hearted apology.  He will be back to visit at the end of this month, so I plan on talking with him more then and asking some things and sharing my feelings.  I was just too shocked last night to say anything.  :(

Re: Feeling crushed. FFIL shared some bad news...

  • So sorry you (and your FMIL!) are going through this. I wish I had any advice, but the best I can do is to say support your FI, and consider your own pre-marital/general counseling if your FILs' issues start affecting your own relationship. Good luck, and internet hugs to you and yours.
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  • So sorry to hear! I can really sympathize with what you are going through. My SIL announced she was getting divorced the week we got engaged. It is awful to see someone's marriage fall apart right when you are planning yours. Their relationship is not yours, and what is happening to them is not a precursor to what will happen with your relationship. So learn from what they are going through, but don't read too much into it. It also doesn't surprise me that he's a psych professor who won't go to counseling, especially since he is a 'know it all' as you say. He probably thinks that since he's an expert he doesn't need to go. This sort of stubborn "I know what I'm doing" thinking almost killed my uncle. He's also a military vet- a military medic vet- who walked around on a broken ankle for two weeks causing a blood clot that detached. Your FMIL should go to counseling without him and see if she can't work through this. But I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't able to mend this.
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  • Yuck. Why did they burden you with all this? That's their own issue to deal with, not yours. 
    Good point. If they manage to work things out and stay together are you and your FI going tot be able to put this behind you and not let it affect your relationships with them.  
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  • I would just try to stay out of this as much as possible. I don't think it was really fair of either of them to put this on you and your FI. It's their issue to deal with not yours.

    I absolutely don't think you should talk/ask question/share your feelings with your FFIL in a month about this. I'm sure the situation is complicated enough without more people being involved. I know that they've already involved you by venting/talking to you and your FI about it but at this point I would step out of it as completely as you can.


  • Thanks for the support, everyone.

    The only reason I said I would have a conversation with FFIL in a few weeks is because after he told us last night, he kept asking me what my feelings were about it, what I was thinking, etc.  Again, that's probably his psych background coming out, but I kind of felt like he genuinely wanted to know my thoughts.  He and I had an in-depth discussion about infidelity about two years ago, long before this ever happened.  So maybe that has something to do with it.

    I know it would be wiser not to say anything.  But I feel like if I don't talk and get it out of my system, then I will still be holding a grudge against him when our wedding comes around in Oct.  For the next few weeks I will just rely on talking to my therapist and my one best friend that I told, and FI, and hope that that will get all my feelings out.  

    They are planning on giving us a significant amount to help pay for the wedding (I know--never believe it until it's actually in your account, but I trust they would stick to their word)...and at this point I don't know that I would even want to accept money from them.  A lot of that is my emotions speaking and I'm not trying to be a brat, I'm just still upset.  I want to tell him to take that money and use it on therapy!  Ha.

    I'm sure I'll feel better after FI and I get a chance to discuss it and share our feelings.  
  • When he asks you, don't engage it. "FFIL, it doesn't really matter how I feel on the issue. It is not my marriage. You need to be talking to FMIL and a counselor to get this out. I am not a counselor nor am I emotionally removed from the situation, so I am not in a position to share valuable advice here. You need to be talking to your wife." You're not a psychology experiment for him. Even if you tell him how you feel, he will still have cheated, and it will still need to be resolved between FFIL and FMIL. 

    As far as wedding planning goes, again, let your FI take the lead here. 
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  • Thanks for the support, everyone.

    The only reason I said I would have a conversation with FFIL in a few weeks is because after he told us last night, he kept asking me what my feelings were about it, what I was thinking, etc.  Again, that's probably his psych background coming out, but I kind of felt like he genuinely wanted to know my thoughts.  He and I had an in-depth discussion about infidelity about two years ago, long before this ever happened.  So maybe that has something to do with it.

    I know it would be wiser not to say anything.  But I feel like if I don't talk and get it out of my system, then I will still be holding a grudge against him when our wedding comes around in Oct.  For the next few weeks I will just rely on talking to my therapist and my one best friend that I told, and FI, and hope that that will get all my feelings out.  

    They are planning on giving us a significant amount to help pay for the wedding (I know--never believe it until it's actually in your account, but I trust they would stick to their word)...and at this point I don't know that I would even want to accept money from them.  A lot of that is my emotions speaking and I'm not trying to be a brat, I'm just still upset.  I want to tell him to take that money and use it on therapy!  Ha.

    I'm sure I'll feel better after FI and I get a chance to discuss it and share our feelings.  
    I'd answer "my feelings about this are irrelevant, as this is between you and FMIL."

    You should talk it over with your FI, talk about feelings of betrayal or distrust or whatever else, as a means of strengthening your own relationship and guarding against this. Talk about how you hypothesize FILs could have avoided it. But only make it in terms of your own relationship, because that should be all this impacts for the time being.

    If FMIL chooses not to reconcile, you can decide to what extent he's to be trusted going forward. But you can cross that bridge when you come to it.

    I find that a lot of times people bring other people into their issues just to make themselves feel better. They don't care how you feel about anything, they just either want someone to be mad at them ("just yell at me and get it over with! tell me how horrible I am!") or to tell them they're forgiven, depending on how they process their own feelings of guilt. It's shitty behavior.

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  • I'm so sorry. I also don't think he should have put either of you in the position. What goes on in their marriage should be between them. And you should tell him that next time he asks you what your feelings are. 

    I will share this. My father cheated on my mother 15 years ago. My parents told us, because my mother planned to leave my father. My brother and I were 18 and 19 at the time. I had a lot of anger towards my father for a while. But my parents were able to repair their relationship. Things now are better than they've ever been. They just celebrated their 44th wedding anniversary in June. So, it's very possible that your in-laws can get through this, if that's what they both want. 
  • My FFIL confessed the exact same thing right before FBIL and FSIL got married. FI was devastated, and he's still pretty hurt by it. But FFIL and FMIL are still married, in spite of that.

    So, uh... yeah. I'm sorry. This sucks.
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  • It really sucks that your FIL unburdened himself at your expense. He should be talking to his wife and a therapist, not his son and FDIL. FTR, I don't think what you said was harsh.
                       
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    I think it was incredibly selfish of your FFIL to burden you with this knowledge.  There was no reason for him to have told you except to make himself feel better. 
    Your FI is not his father.  They are two completely separate people.  Your FI really needs you to be there for him now.  Listen.  Empathize.  Trust him.
    Try not to place blame.  This is not about you.  This is about your FFIL and his poor choices.
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  • Thanks for the caring thoughts, everyone.

    FI and I did discuss our feelings the day after I posted this, and we were on the same page about everything.  We feel for his mom and don't agree with what his dad did at all, but FI has decided to support his dad in rehabilitating their marriage.  He knows that if he doesn't support him, no one else will...mainly because no one else knows except for us and FI's brother, and FI's brother doesn't care enough to give support.  

    I also went to my therapist a few days later to discuss it and she said it sounds like we are doing the right thing in being supportive but learning from this experience for our own sake.  Both FFIL and FMIL are coming down to visit at the end of this month, so we'll see how it goes...

  • This is terrible, and I'm so sorry you're going through this. It was selfish for your FFIL to approach you this way and spread information that should be kept between him and FMIL.

    As far as being concerned that FI is destined for the same path, I think this will do just the opposite. Of course he could view it as "even good marriages screw up, so why try," but I'm guessing you wouldn't be marrying a man who had a defeatist attitude to begin with. More likely he will do everything in his power to make sure that you guys stay as committed and in love as possible.

    Couples counseling is a great idea, and it will allow you to raise your concerns in a guided environment. Even if you decide not to go to counseling, you definitely need to communicate these feelings with FI before you let them fester and it makes you overly paranoid years down the road. @lolo883 made some great points about how and what you should talk to FI about.


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  • This is terrible, and I'm so sorry you're going through this. It was selfish for your FFIL to approach you this way and spread information that should be kept between him and FMIL.

    As far as being concerned that FI is destined for the same path, I think this will do just the opposite. Of course he could view it as "even good marriages screw up, so why try," but I'm guessing you wouldn't be marrying a man who had a defeatist attitude to begin with. More likely he will do everything in his power to make sure that you guys stay as committed and in love as possible.

    Couples counseling is a great idea, and it will allow you to raise your concerns in a guided environment. Even if you decide not to go to counseling, you definitely need to communicate these feelings with FI before you let them fester and it makes you overly paranoid years down the road. @lolo883 made some great points about how and what you should talk to FI about.
    Agreed. Not that I think your FI would be likely to cheat under any circumstances, but the anger and resentment he has toward FFIL will likely make him even less likely to do it himself.
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  • This is terrible, and I'm so sorry you're going through this. It was selfish for your FFIL to approach you this way and spread information that should be kept between him and FMIL.

    As far as being concerned that FI is destined for the same path, I think this will do just the opposite. Of course he could view it as "even good marriages screw up, so why try," but I'm guessing you wouldn't be marrying a man who had a defeatist attitude to begin with. More likely he will do everything in his power to make sure that you guys stay as committed and in love as possible.

    Couples counseling is a great idea, and it will allow you to raise your concerns in a guided environment. Even if you decide not to go to counseling, you definitely need to communicate these feelings with FI before you let them fester and it makes you overly paranoid years down the road. @lolo883 made some great points about how and what you should talk to FI about.
    Agreed. Not that I think your FI would be likely to cheat under any circumstances, but the anger and resentment he has toward FFIL will likely make him even less likely to do it himself.
    This was definitely true for me. My mom cheated on my dad (not sure if physically, but definitely emotionally, so it's sort of irrelevant to me if she went further because that's bad enough in my eyes) and it made me look at what I saw as behaviors that led her down that path. She was terrible at communicating her honest feelings about things to my dad, and wouldn't let him show his love in his love language (he was big on giving gifts and spoiling her, Mom turned her nose up at that and refused to even go on date nights, etc.) so those have guided the way I approach my relationships.

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