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WR (not mine): Rant/Advice needed

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edited October 2014 in Not Engaged Yet
So I like to think of you ladies as my awesome internet friends (who I would love to meet IRL too!). And, this is going to be long, but I really need to vent, and would appreciate your thoughts on this situation. Also, I apologize for any typos or missing words in advance; I am KUI with a big glass of wine currently.

Background: My friend is getting married in September 2015. I am a bridesmaid in her wedding. She has anxiety, and she does go to therapy for it/take medications for it, but she can still go a bit crazy when she is stressed (I normally love her anyways and try to calm her down and talk to her/whatever she needs). This wedding has really been stressing her out, and most of her bridezilla ideas I have been able to talk her out of. But the bridal shower has been a PITA and she is not letting up.

In addition to the 8 bridesmaids, she has a MOH. She basically told the MOH over a year ago that she would be having a bridal shower and that the MOH would be in charge of it. I do not know how the MOH reacted to this, but the MOH has been dealing with a lot of stuff in her own life right now, and hasn't really been around for my friend. I do not mean this in a "drop everything and let's wedding plan" way. I mean this as completely ignoring my friend's texts to just hang out/grab lunch, visiting her BF who lived the next town over from where the bride went to college without visiting the bride/mentioning she was in town (bride found out through Facebook, multiple times), etc. I have since gotten much closer to the bride, with her even mentioning that she wish she had chosen me as the MOH and could kick out her current one. Of course I told her that this was a bad idea and that I didn't care about titles and would be happy to stand up with her as a bridesmaid no matter what happens with her friendship with the MOH. The bride had some anxiety attacks about the bridal shower, and I offered to throw it for her (just trying to be a good friend). She calmed down with this idea, and I thought everything was fine. She told me basically to work with her mother and coordinate with the rest of the bridesmaids. No problem.

Since that conversation, the bride and MOH have made up somewhat. They are not as close as they once were, but they are at least talking again (which is absolutely fine with me; I advised the bride to try to make up with her friend and figure out what was wrong instead of kicking her out of the WP). The groom has mentioned to me multiple times that the MOH is very flaky, and has even advised the bride to just let me take care of everything because the MOH most likely will not get her act together for this (and that's not really her responsibility as she was voluntold and I volunteered). All she seems interested in is drinking outside of work (she posted a Facebook status about drinking on a Tuesday while in the shower...and all of her pictures on Facebook are of her drinking), and hasn't shown any interest in anything related to my friend (wedding related or not). So I did my best to convince the bride to just let me handle it, and she seemed okay with this.

Since both the groom and the bride have large families, this bridal shower is going to have about 80 people. That is just female relatives and friends. It is being held at a fancy country club/popular wedding venue in May 2015, so a lot of the planning needed to be done earlier then normal, and we are in the planning stages. Bride's mom booked the venue and is contributing to the food as well. Well, bride then insisted that I reach out to MOH and have her confirm my ideas. Okay, whatever, I don't want to burn any bridges so I will go along with it. I sent the MOH a few facebook messages (I have no other form of contact), and was ignored by every single one. So when I told my friend this, she said to go ahead and message all of the bridesmaids and ask if they would like to help. I went ahead with this, and very politely asked if anyone wanted to help, but made sure to let everyone know that there was no pressure and it was completely voluntary. MOH responded to that saying she would handle everything, and then responded to my previously ignored messages telling me that she has it handled. Okay, fine. I tell the bride this, and bride says "No, that is not how this is going to work. You have done so much of the work that she should work with you if she feels that way." And then bride proceeds to talk to MOH apparently, and tell her to reach out to me again within the week and work with me. Okay, this sounds reasonable, I will wait for MOH to do that and we can go from there.

MOH never reached out to me. And it's been two weeks now. MOH also hasn't reached out to any of the bridesmaids either. So I think bride had another panic attack today and mass messaged all of us on Facebook about it today. This was the message (names, dates, location removed to protect identities):

"The official information about the Bridal Shower is as follows. We are doing a plated lunch and there is dessert included apparently according to my mother who is paying for the food. Everything else besides the food choices, seating chart, the date and the theme (We're doing Breakfast at Tiffany's) is up to the 8 of you. I would like this shower to be a collective effort among all of you, I don't mean monetarily because i know all of you are in different financial situations. What i mean by collective effort is i want everyone to be able to feel like they can contribute their ideas. MOH is the coordinator, but AuroraRose41 has also been extremely helpful in this process except for where my pinterest addiction is concerned."

This felt like a slap in my face. I'm just the helpful bridesmaid despite offering to throw your effing extravagant shower and have to answer to the MOH who is almost always MIA because she is out drinking.

I really feel like just telling her that I'm done with it. I will show up with a gift, but she can let her "coordinator" handle everything else from now on, and there probably won't even be a theme if that happens. But I feel like a shitty friend telling her that, especially after volunteering to do it. What do you ladies think?

I'm really sorry if this came out bitchy or whiny, but I feel like I am stuck between a rock and a hard place. I really do love my friend, but this really upset me tonight.

ETA: TL;DR: I'm a bridesmaid for a good friend, MOH only cares about drinking and was voluntold to host an OTT bridal shower, I offered to host when bride panicked that MOH wasn't interested, bride accepted my offer, I did a lot of research to put it together, now bride is still telling everyone that MOH is hosting and wants me to answer to MIA MOH, I am considering rescinding my offer to host and just showing up with a gift. Can I bow out of hosting gracefully and let this shower fall apart because the bride is brainwashed about MOH duties?

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  • I admit that I skimmed a little by the end, partially because I'm very sleepy, partially because I'm hangry (Yom Kippur, ftw), and partially because the situation is extremely messy. And that last thing is the problem.

    Anxiety, treated or untreated, is not an excuse for someone treating you badly. And there's no law that says a good friend lets her friends walk all over her because they have anxiety problems. J's anxiety can get out of hand as part of his OCD, but one thing that he and I are both learning to deal with (and you AMAZING ladies have pointed out before) is that his anxiety may explain why he feels a certain way about something, but it's not an excuse for it.

    And anxiety does NOT excuse (or even really explain) the message that your friend sent. Full stop. Nope. Nuh uh.

    I think that your plan to just show up with a gift is pretty much the best goal. Someone else might have better advice in terms of what to say, and who to say it to. But I am 100% with you: don't be a part of this shower.
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  • @phira thank you so much for taking the time to read it. I know it was long and ranty, and BF hadn't come home from work yet, so I didn't have anyone to talk to and it kind of all came out. I am going to edit it with a TLDR.

    It is very reassuring that you agree that she is being OTT about all of this, and that despite volunteering originally, it's okay for me to back out because she is being ridiculous. I don't want to lose my friend, but I need to put my foot down at some point. BF says to just stop talking about it and if she asks I can tell her that I am letting the MOH handle it and not getting involved. I think I am going to do just that. And take mental notes of what not to do to my friends in the future when BF proposes.

    I hope that things are better with you and J. I have seen some posts that everything seems to be going well. Also, I haven't told you this, but I love the picture in your siggy :).

  • Wow...your friend (anxiety issue or not) is way out of line. First of all, she shouldn't have demanded a shower and she sure as hell shouldn't be this involved with it. Honestly, it seems like she is causing more drama/problems than helping. Your friend is the problem here, not the MOH. 

    I think your BF has the right idea. You need to step out of this mess. Personally, I'm a big fan of the Polish saying: Not my circus, not my monkeys. It's the attitude I would take about this wedding from this point forward.


  • I would be offended too. I would politely step down and attend as a guest.
  • Wow. Okay. I apologize if my thoughts on this come out haphazardly, but there is a LOT going on here, so here are my thoughts in no particular order:

    This wedding is in September 2015! The bride shouldn't really be expecting ANY involvement/WR-effort from her bridal party whatsoever at this time. I don't blame the MOH for not being interested in a wedding a year from now. Many people don't even choose their bridal party that early out - let alone send group emails out about a bridal shower 7-8 months in advance. That's ridiculous. My wedding is in May (that's four months before your friend), and I haven't had any need to ask my bridal party about anything WR at all. Maybe a few months before the wedding I'll start thinking of them as my bridal party, but right now, they're just my good friends. I'd be super annoyed at a bride that wanted me to show interest in WR stuff/plan a shower/keep in touch with other members of the bridal party who I may or may not be friends with, a year before the wedding even takes place. So, I don't think the MOH is in the wrong at all here.

    I think you've gotten way too involved in all this drama. I understand she's your friend, and you don't want to exacerbate her anxiety, but you should probably be encouraging her to take a few steps back from all of this (i.e. don't be involved in planning her own shower, don't send out mass emails, etc), not trying to step up and take over the responsibilities that she (unrealistically) seems to expect from her chosen MOH.

    As far as the bridal shower goes, I understand you've done a lot of work on it....but it's like 7 months away - surely you don't want your life consumed with planning a BRIDAL SHOWER for the next 7 months, right? If I were you, I'd gladly hand off any information/planning you've gathered over to the MOH and to the bride's mom, and let them know you'll try to help when possible, but you don't have time to take charge of the whole thing - and wish them the best of luck.
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  • @bethsmiles I do realize that my friend is the problem here (even corrected BF who wanted to blame the MOH last night). I just feel like a shitty friend knowing that if I bow out of this, the MOH most likely will not meet the expectations of the bride, and the bride is going to be upset. I have always been that friend who bends over backwards to make sure my friends are happy, and I feel like a bad person knowing that by bowing out she won't be happy (most likely; I hope that I'm wrong and the MOH gets it together, but I'm really not optimistic about that).

    And trust me, I have been her etiquette adviser, but she doesn't always listen, despite asking for advice. I told her to stop planning her own party, anyone can throw a shower, and not to invite random people that are not family that you barely know to this event. She only listened to my last piece of advice.

    I'm also glad that the general consensus is that I am right to feel offended. Thanks ladies :).

  • @hummingbird125 I realize a lot of this. I basically have only found a few venues that could do a shower for that many people (they are wedding venues and needed to be booked months in advance), and priced out some decorations on my own to get an idea of what potential costs might be. Her mother went ahead and booked the venue, and nothing else has been done yet (nor should it be for months).

    I agree with your statement, and I have told her multiple times to calm down and that we have everything handled, but she lets her anxiety get in the way. I try to tell her to step back from everything but she doesn't listen.

    Trust me, I am definitely taking notes as to what not to do, including not picking my bridal party 2+ years out, or demanding things like this.

    I don't think the MOH needs to be doing anything right now either (or anyone else for that matter), it's more the fact that she has favored drinking over hanging out/talking to her friend (even when friend tried to hang out/talk to her about non WR things), and that doesn't seem like it's going to stop anytime soon. The bride has even expressed concern that the MOH will show up late and drunk or be too hungover to show up at all to both the shower and potentially the wedding. That's why I am not optimistic over the MOH getting it together, but I really hope that I am wrong for my friend's sake. I think more than anything bride wants confirmation that MOH will get things together, and isn't getting it. I thought it would calm her down knowing someone was on top of things, but apparently that wasn't good enough (which is why I am offended).

    The bride's mom has all of the information that I have found so far, so it shouldn't be too difficult to bow out of this. And no, I don't want to be stressed out about having to answer someone who will probably ignore me in favor of drinking when I will be applying to law school next year (hopefully taking the LSAT in June), and possibly planning a wedding of my own based on the most recent timeline BF and I have talked about.

  • bride2b71614bride2b71614 member
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    This sounds far too complicated. Her behavior was definitely shitty regarding her shower. Don't worry/stress over this. If the shower turns into a total shitshow, it's not your problem. The bride made this decision, and will have to live with it. Just show up with a gift. Nothing more, nothing less. Also echoing @Hummingbird125‌, her wedding is 11 months away! The shower doesn't have to be planned right this second, she's got plenty of time. Eta: Who cares if the MOH drinks and parties? She's not required to drop everything she's doing to please the bride. In fact from what I've read, if I had to deal with your friend I'd need several drinks afterward. Also, your friend said she wished she chose you as the MOH. If I were the MOH and I found out that the bride said that, I'd have a hard time wanting to stay involved in the wedding. But hey, that's my .02
  • I think it was rude of your friend to demand a shower, and then dictate who would be arranging what.

    That's not how it works.

    I'd step aside.  I have anxiety and I understand how rough it can be, but that's not an excuse to treat your friends like shit.
  • Ugh, reading that message made me annoyed on your behalf. I'm sorry that you're in this position.

    I think that your friend has made a bunch of bad decisions. She shouldn't have picked her bridal party this far out, shouldn't have told the MOH she had to throw a shower, and shouldn't be this involved in the shower planing. But you already know that, and it's already happened and can't be changed.

    Stay in the wedding party if you want to, but don't offer to or get coerced into hosting anything, or taking care of anything big. The fact that you offered to throw a shower for her was very generous; for her to flip flop on who's in charge and tell you that you need the MOH's approval and then send a message to everyone essentially saying that the MOH is going to be taking over (and taking credit) for work that you've done is incredibly rude. I realize that she's trying to mend her relationship with the MOH, but that shouldn't be at the expense of her relationship with you. 

    I get that she has issues with anxiety, and that you don't want to upset her, but I would say something about the shower. If you're hurt by her actions, and she's a good friend, then you should feel secure enough in the friendship to bring it up. You graciously offered to throw her a shower when she freaked out about her MOH, she accepted, and then handed it back to the MOH after you had started working on plans.

    If she's decided to get her MOH to take over the shower then sure, attend as a guest and don't get sucked back in if it turns into a shit show. 

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  • I definitely have to agree that the bride is the big issue here.  If I was her MOH and she was harassing me this much over a bridal shower that is 6 months away I'd probably try to disappear too.  
    I do think you're right in being offended and I think for your own sanity you should definitely say "i'm going to step away from the planning and will offer my opinion/insight when asked"

    Run girl, RUN! 
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  • Thank you all so much! This is why I love NEY; you ladies are wonderful.

  • I agree with everyone else-- the bride is the issue here. I understand that she has anxiety, and hey, I even understand being excited about the wedding and wanting to go ahead and plan everything. I hate the unknown, I have no patience, and I like to get things done quickly. HOWEVER, I also recognize that expecting other people to function like I do, have the same priorities that I do, and care as much about my wedding is unrealistic. Your friend is being very unrealistic here by expecting any of you to do as much as she's asked. It was very nice of you to offer to throw the shower, but for her to flip flop so much and essentially throw you under the bus is not OK. It's a terrible way to treat her BMs, and I can't imagine how annoyed her MOH is right now. Like others have said, I would hand off anything you've done to the mom or bride or MOH and just show up with a gift in 6 months. It's the only way to keep that mess at arm's length.

    I also have to say, if she's being this unrealistic about a shower, I shudder to think what she'll be like with the actual wedding.


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  • speakeasy14speakeasy14 member
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    eilis1228 said:

    I also have to say, if she's being this unrealistic about a shower, I shudder to think what she'll be like with the actual wedding.
    ^^this

    Her wedding is 11 months away.  I understand booking a venue in advance for a shower due to the amount of guests (I squeezed 80 people into my house and wished I would have booked a venue), but that is the only thing that needs to be done right now.  The fact that she is using her anxiety as an excuse to force people to participate in wedding events a year in advance is nuts.  I have family with anxiety, so I completely understand, but her behavior is not due to anxiety, she is just being controlling and expecting her friends to be obsessed with her wedding for over a year.

    I also understand you wanting to make your friend happy.  I'm that person too.  Always the one bending over backwards for everyone else to make them happy.  I've been a bridesmaid too many times (approaching 27 dresses status), and every time have put in more effort than anyone else just to do everything possible to see my friend/family member happy.  That being said, if this MOH is completely MIA there is probably a good reason.  Some people just aren't excited for wedding stuff or planning.  And if she has been hearing about this wedding for over a year already, she's probably sick of it.  She may be avoiding this girl all together because every conversation turns to wedding talk.

    The best option for you is to not offer to be so involved now.  If you want to be involved, wait till it is closer to the events.  Offering your assistance now, is just going to drive you BSC. Also, this Polish Proverb is your friend: image
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  • I think it was rude of your friend to demand a shower, and then dictate who would be arranging what.

    That's not how it works.

    I'd step aside.  I have anxiety and I understand how rough it can be, but that's not an excuse to treat your friends like shit.
    All of this. There are so many things wrong with all of your post, I can't even begin to form coherent thoughts this early in the morning. But yea, I second what Shoes said.



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  • @AuroraRose41 I actually thought about this post yesterday while at my god-daughter's birthday party. Her aunt, T, is getting married next October, and she's apparently driving everyone crazy already. Every single person there would roll their eyes when she brought up wedding things, and when she wasn't in the room everyone talked about how big of a brat she is. My god-daughter's mother, D, is in both my wedding and T's wedding. She kept telling me all night how she may bail on T's wedding and just do mine because T is already driving her nuts. As T left that night, I heard her tell someone about the engagement party she's planning for herself. 

    I really don't think some people get it. They go into bridezilla mode and lose touch with reality. Your friend is most definitely doing that right now, and her MOH is probably reacting like everyone did to T yesterday. 


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  • @eilis1228, your god-daughter's aunt sounds very similar. And I think you are right that my friend probably has been getting reactions like this. I have been reacting this way to her dictating things this way and planning her own party, so I am sure others have too. She did plan her engagement party too, and everyone was told that it was a "going dutch" party to save costs (i.e. pay for your plate). I couldn't attend, so I am not sure how that one went over, but I definitely side eyed that. 


  • She planned her own engagement party and made people pay for their own plate? WHAT?!


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  • Yea.....you read that right. I don't think they intended it to be a gift giving event though; it seemed to be more geared toward "let's have all of the bridal party members meet so that they become best friends by the time the wedding happens!". I don't think anyone who wasn't in the bridal party was invited. Still, it probably shouldn't have been called an engagement party. 

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