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Friend / Former GM Problem

Sorry, this is going to be long. Here's the backstory:

We have a friend (a groomsman) that has lived in the next province over for the last couple of years. He accepted the role of groomsman nearly a year ago. Whenever he comes home to visit his family (they're here), he's pretty evasive. If he even tells anybody in our friend group that he's in town, he'll either not respond to us or say he's busy. He's cancelled plans a few times as well because he says he forgot and made other plans that he couldn't break. 

He flew out for FI's bachelor party in July. He was here for two weeks, and the bachelor party was the only time anybody saw him. He was supposed to do the suit fitting while he was in town, but ended up being busy and didn't have time to do it before going back home. At this time, he was still planning to attend the wedding.

A few weeks later, we got a FB message from him saying that he was really sorry but he wouldn't be able to attend the wedding. He said it was for financial reasons, due to a trip to Europe to visit family. This trip had been booked since before the bachelor party, when he said he was still coming to the wedding. And he makes good money - more than we do (not combined, but more than our individual salaries). We offered to pay for everything (suit, hotel, flights) so that he could attend, but he said no. I'm guessing it's because he would have felt bad accepting that much money from friends. Obviously, we were both pretty disappointed. He said he felt terrible and would spend some time with us when he visited in October.

When we told the BM that this friend had dropped out, he was pretty pissed (he's friends with the guy as well).  When I said it's the friend's money and we shouldn't question what he does with it, the BM said that was a BS excuse. He felt that by agreeing to be a groomsman, that the friend should be willing to bear the cost (especially since he would have known the travel costs for a long time). When the BM found out that the friend had declined our offer to pay for him to attend, he was even more pissed.  As other friends have gradually found out, they've been pissed off too (we only told them after they mentioned looking forward to seeing the friend at the wedding). They react this way even though we don't express frustration with the friend.

FI is pretty much ready to drop this guy as a friend. He was already pissed that this guy never makes time for friends when he's in town. He's tired of always putting in the effort to get together, only to be blown off every time. I suspect the friend is depressed, and it's possible that there's something going on with his family, since it seems like he's choosing to spend all of his time with them when he's home. His dad's older, so it's possible there's a health problem and he wants to spend as much time with him as possible. Whatever it is, we're in the dark about it. Nobody has outright asked him if there's anything wrong, so that will probably have to happen at some point.

Which brings us to today. The friend messaged me and FI to ask if we're available to get together this Friday. I very likely won't be in town because of Thanksgiving (we'll be spending it with my family and they live far away) and I have to leave early anyway to take the flower girl and ring bearer shopping for their outfits. FI will still be here, as he'll be travelling on Saturday instead. It's taken a lot of convincing on my part to even get FI to agree to maybe get together with the friend. Even then, he wants the friend to take the lead on making plans. 

I understand FI's frustration - hell, I'm frustrated too. But I don't want to lose this guy as a friend, especially since I suspect there's something else going on that we don't know about. It will be pretty hard to maintain the friendship if FI makes it obvious how pissed he is. How do I handle this? I know part of it involves asking the friend if there's anything going on, but I'm not sure how to broach that subject either.

TL;DR: Our friend pulled out of wedding party and FI is pissed off with him (for this and other reasons). I'm unsure of how to handle this, since I don't want to lose the guy as a friend.
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Re: Friend / Former GM Problem

  • Sorry, this is going to be long. Here's the backstory:

    We have a friend (a groomsman) that has lived in the next province over for the last couple of years. He accepted the role of groomsman nearly a year ago. Whenever he comes home to visit his family (they're here), he's pretty evasive. If he even tells anybody in our friend group that he's in town, he'll either not respond to us or say he's busy. He's cancelled plans a few times as well because he says he forgot and made other plans that he couldn't break. 

    He flew out for FI's bachelor party in July. He was here for two weeks, and the bachelor party was the only time anybody saw him. He was supposed to do the suit fitting while he was in town, but ended up being busy and didn't have time to do it before going back home. At this time, he was still planning to attend the wedding.

    A few weeks later, we got a FB message from him saying that he was really sorry but he wouldn't be able to attend the wedding. He said it was for financial reasons, due to a trip to Europe to visit family. This trip had been booked since before the bachelor party, when he said he was still coming to the wedding. And he makes good money - more than we do (not combined, but more than our individual salaries). We offered to pay for everything (suit, hotel, flights) so that he could attend, but he said no. I'm guessing it's because he would have felt bad accepting that much money from friends. Obviously, we were both pretty disappointed. He said he felt terrible and would spend some time with us when he visited in October.

    When we told the BM that this friend had dropped out, he was pretty pissed (he's friends with the guy as well).  When I said it's the friend's money and we shouldn't question what he does with it, the BM said that was a BS excuse. He felt that by agreeing to be a groomsman, that the friend should be willing to bear the cost (especially since he would have known the travel costs for a long time). When the BM found out that the friend had declined our offer to pay for him to attend, he was even more pissed.  As other friends have gradually found out, they've been pissed off too (we only told them after they mentioned looking forward to seeing the friend at the wedding). They react this way even though we don't express frustration with the friend.

    FI is pretty much ready to drop this guy as a friend. He was already pissed that this guy never makes time for friends when he's in town. He's tired of always putting in the effort to get together, only to be blown off every time. I suspect the friend is depressed, and it's possible that there's something going on with his family, since it seems like he's choosing to spend all of his time with them when he's home. His dad's older, so it's possible there's a health problem and he wants to spend as much time with him as possible. Whatever it is, we're in the dark about it. Nobody has outright asked him if there's anything wrong, so that will probably have to happen at some point.

    Which brings us to today. The friend messaged me and FI to ask if we're available to get together this Friday. I very likely won't be in town because of Thanksgiving (we'll be spending it with my family and they live far away) and I have to leave early anyway to take the flower girl and ring bearer shopping for their outfits. FI will still be here, as he'll be travelling on Saturday instead. It's taken a lot of convincing on my part to even get FI to agree to maybe get together with the friend. Even then, he wants the friend to take the lead on making plans. 

    I understand FI's frustration - hell, I'm frustrated too. But I don't want to lose this guy as a friend, especially since I suspect there's something else going on that we don't know about. It will be pretty hard to maintain the friendship if FI makes it obvious how pissed he is. How do I handle this? I know part of it involves asking the friend if there's anything going on, but I'm not sure how to broach that subject either.

    TL;DR: Our friend pulled out of wedding party and FI is pissed off with him (for this and other reasons). I'm unsure of how to handle this, since I don't want to lose the guy as a friend.
    I feel like it would be a very good idea to get together with this friend and see what's going on before anyone goes and ends a friendship. You can ask if there's anything major going on in his life without it being about the wedding and him dropping out of it. 

    And I know you know this, but even if he makes good money, you really can't know the particulars of his financial situation. Offering to pay for things was a nice gesture, but I suspect the money might be only a small part of it. 
  • I would encourage your FI to meet with this guy and ask him if anything has been wrong lately. I would mention about how he never mentions when he comes to town and always breaks plans. Then sit back and listen to see if he can explain his recent actions. Make sure that FI keeps the wedding out of it.
    You should tread carefully with him, especially if you think there may be an illness involved. He may be interested in meeting up to let FI in on what has been going on with him.
  • Your FI needs to take the wedding disappointment out of the picture. If your friend was not a flakey person to begin with then obviously there is something going on in his life that is not right. If your FI cannot see past this one thing, and remember that life is going on outside of your wedding for other people, then you will definitely lose this friendship and it will be his fault.

    When you do talk to the friend ask how he is doing, tell him you feel like you have fallen out of touch and you miss him. Let him know you are there for him and don't bring up the wedding. If he is a good friend he likely already feels badly about having to bail on you.

  • I'm sorry, how incredibly disappointing for you and your FI.

    I would agree with you that it sounds like there's something else going on with him. Maybe depression, as you suspect. Maybe family issues. Maybe he's gained weight and doesn't want to see anyone.... blah blah blah. It could be a million things. To drop out of a friend's wedding is pretty extreme, so whatever it is must be very important to him. If your FI talks to him about it, he should try to put aside his anger and keep an open, non-judgmental mind. Otherwise, I don't see that conversation going very well.

    Also, I really think you and your FI disrespected this guy in a big way. You told the BM the reason he gave for dropping out - money problems. That's extremely personal and nobody's business. Whether it's true or not, you should absolutely NOT be telling anyone. It's not your place and is extremely rude. It's gossip. Nothing more. Obviously these people would find out and you should have simply said, "He dropped out for personal reasons. You're welcome to ask him about it but we don't feel comfortable spreading his business."

    If I had to drop out of a wedding for financial reasons and the B&G told our mutual friends "southernbelle dropped out because money even though we offered to pay for stuff..." and then mutual friends proceeded to spread around and speculate about the 2nd hand news, I'd be SUPER pissed at the couple. If your FI gets together with this guy, he should apologize.
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  • kasmith1 said:

    Your FI needs to take the wedding disappointment out of the picture. If your friend was not a flakey person to begin with then obviously there is something going on in his life that is not right. If your FI cannot see past this one thing, and remember that life is going on outside of your wedding for other people, then you will definitely lose this friendship and it will be his fault.

    When you do talk to the friend ask how he is doing, tell him you feel like you have fallen out of touch and you miss him. Let him know you are there for him and don't bring up the wedding. If he is a good friend he likely already feels badly about having to bail on you.

    For FI, I think pulling out of the wedding was the straw that broke the camel's back. It's just the latest (and biggest) in a series of let-downs with this friend. 

    I do think FI is being too quick to let the friendship go. I understand his frustration, but I think there's something going on that we don't know about. I do intend to ask at some point if there's anything going on.
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  • Another vote for getting together with him and seeing what's up. If this guy is that good of a friend, if want to find out what has been going on before tossing the whole thing down the tubes.
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  • I think it was rude of you to tell other people about why the GM dropped out of the wedding. Yes, he's being flaky and canceling plans with you a lot of the time but, you mentioned he spends a lot of time with his family. Something is most likely going on in his life and he isn't ready to talk to others about what's going on. I think you should meet up with him and see how he is and talk to him as a friend and not about your wedding or his role in the wedding. 
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  • Couggal12 said:
    I think it was rude of you to tell other people about why the GM dropped out of the wedding. Yes, he's being flaky and canceling plans with you a lot of the time but, you mentioned he spends a lot of time with his family. Something is most likely going on in his life and he isn't ready to talk to others about what's going on. I think you should meet up with him and see how he is and talk to him as a friend and not about your wedding or his role in the wedding. 
    Okay, fair enough. I realize in hindsight that it was wrong.
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  • I think your FI should definitely get together with your friend. He really needs to put the friendship before the wedding. Like you said, there are chances there is something else major going on.

    Has he always been kind of flaky or is this new? Has he had issues in the past to committing to things so far in advance? 

    Also, I agree with @esstee33, just because he makes more than you individually doesn't mean he is rolling in cash. It isn't fair to make that kind of assumption.

  • emmaaa said:
    I think your FI should definitely get together with your friend. He really needs to put the friendship before the wedding. Like you said, there are chances there is something else major going on.

    Has he always been kind of flaky or is this new? Has he had issues in the past to committing to things so far in advance? 

    Also, I agree with @esstee33, just because he makes more than you individually doesn't mean he is rolling in cash. It isn't fair to make that kind of assumption.
    I'm aware of this. This is what I keep telling myself. I know it's not right to assume he has the money. But that doesn't mean I'm not going to wonder why in the privacy of my own mind - I think that's a pretty normal reaction. 
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  • I'd like to give this guy the benefit of a doubt here. From what you've written, it sounds like there's something going on with him. Sorry but Family trumps friends in the end. He has every right to be evasive as people are normally private about any family issues.

     It sounds like he was trying to make things work out. I mean, he made it to the bachelor party, he's from out of town, he's trying to mend things by making plans with your FI. You don't know the purpose of the European trip and when it was booked is irrelevant. All you know is that he can no longer make the wedding. Not that he never planned for it or decided there were better things to do.

    Make nice with this friend. Also, respect his boundaries and privacy. There may be reasons justifying doubting this friendship but so far it looks like it's only got to do with the wedding. I don't think this is enough.
  • I'd like to give this guy the benefit of a doubt here. From what you've written, it sounds like there's something going on with him. Sorry but Family trumps friends in the end. He has every right to be evasive as people are normally private about any family issues.

     It sounds like he was trying to make things work out. I mean, he made it to the bachelor party, he's from out of town, he's trying to mend things by making plans with your FI. You don't know the purpose of the European trip and when it was booked is irrelevant. All you know is that he can no longer make the wedding. Not that he never planned for it or decided there were better things to do.

    Make nice with this friend. Also, respect his boundaries and privacy. There may be reasons justifying doubting this friendship but so far it looks like it's only got to do with the wedding. I don't think this is enough.
    I do know the purpose, and it absolutely trumps a friend's wedding. I guess I just wish he could have let us know that he'd be stepping down sooner. I'm sure he had his reasons for telling us when he did. It's just disappointing. 
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  • As someone who lives in a different province from where they grew up, I have to tell you that sometimes it is near impossible to see friends when you are down for a visit. Family always comes first, and to be honest most friends understand that if we are driving 8 hours back to our home town, 4 times a year, most of that time is going to spent with family. We're heading home for thanksgiving and even though we are going to be in town for 5 days we honestly don't have time to go visit any of our friends. Thats just the way it goes when you live out of province.

    That being said, there is obviously something going on with your friend, or with his family that he may not be comfortable talking about. Perhaps he thought that telling you he couldnt afford it was the easiest way out without getting into personal details.

    I would recommend trying to chat with the friend about anything non wedding related. Try to feel out where he is in his life. Make sure he realizes that your friendship is more important than attending the wedding. I do understand being upset, one of my bridesmaids lives in the States and I would be really sad if it turned out she couldn't attend. But I wouldnt go talking about it to other people. If people asked I would just say 'Unfortunately so and so isnt able to attend. We'll miss them at the wedding and im sure they will be with us in spirit" and then bean dip away from prying questions.
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