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Complicated family dynamics. Advice for guest list?

Hi everyone!
I'm new here! I'm 30 and living with my boyfriend. We are not engaged but things seem to be heading that direction :]

I'd like to pick your brains about something. I have a bit of a complicated family history that makes things awkward for wedding invitations. I know that it's going to be a ways down the road, but this is something I'm going to need to figure out anyway. I thought it might be a good idea to have it done before I actually get into the situation of coming up with a guest list. Please bear with me as I blurb the watered-down version of things :p

My parents have been divorced for the last 10-ish years. They had an unhealthy relationship while I was growing up and my mother wants absolutely nothing to do with him. My father had started to grow distant while I was a child and with all the infidelity and bad decisions he had made, I lost a lot of respect for him as I got older. He remarried about 5 (I think?) years ago and I didn't even know until his new wife emailed me, out of the blue, trying to tell me what to do with my life! I was beyond enraged; not only was this complete stranger trying to tell me to quit school and work to make money, but she was also trying to tell me how to interact with my father. He knew about what she was doing and allowed it to happen for reasons I can't understand. Since then, our relationship has been extremely strained. Once or twice a year I get an email from him with something along the lines of "How are you, I'm thinking of you, miss you" while forgetting about my birthday or the holidays. 

A while back, my mom and I were on the topic of marriage and weddings. She said that if I invited my dad to my wedding, she would not attend. This caught me off guard and I was initially quite upset. Having simmered on it since then and thinking things over, I've cooled off and have come to terms with it. I am, after all, much closer to my mother, I've seen the pain and suffering my dad put her through, and upsetting her so much just would not be worth the drama. When it comes down to it, I'd much rather have her there than my dad.

My main concern is: do I invite relatives on my dad's side of the family? I haven't spoken with or seen my grandparents in at least 5 years and even longer for my aunts and uncles. I keep in touch occasionally with one cousin. Even though we're distant, my mom and I are on good terms with them. And how do I tell my dad that he isn't invited to his own daughter's wedding? I'm so tempted to just say, "Hey, you didn't bother to tell me you were getting remarried and invite me to your wedding, so you're not invited to mine." That seems so spiteful. Though, honestly, I don't even know that it would upset him all that much; he'd probably be inconvenienced since I would not invite his wife and he'd have to face family.

Anyways, thoughts? 

Also, is it weird to walk down the aisle alone? :x

Thanks! :D

Re: Complicated family dynamics. Advice for guest list?

  • huskypuppy14huskypuppy14 member
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    edited October 2014
    kanojo said:
    Hi everyone!
    I'm new here! I'm 30 and living with my boyfriend. We are not engaged but things seem to be heading that direction :]

    I'd like to pick your brains about something. I have a bit of a complicated family history that makes things awkward for wedding invitations. I know that it's going to be a ways down the road, but this is something I'm going to need to figure out anyway. I thought it might be a good idea to have it done before I actually get into the situation of coming up with a guest list. Please bear with me as I blurb the watered-down version of things :p

    My parents have been divorced for the last 10-ish years. They had an unhealthy relationship while I was growing up and my mother wants absolutely nothing to do with him. My father had started to grow distant while I was a child and with all the infidelity and bad decisions he had made, I lost a lot of respect for him as I got older. He remarried about 5 (I think?) years ago and I didn't even know until his new wife emailed me, out of the blue, trying to tell me what to do with my life! I was beyond enraged; not only was this complete stranger trying to tell me to quit school and work to make money, but she was also trying to tell me how to interact with my father. He knew about what she was doing and allowed it to happen for reasons I can't understand. Since then, our relationship has been extremely strained. Once or twice a year I get an email from him with something along the lines of "How are you, I'm thinking of you, miss you" while forgetting about my birthday or the holidays. 

    A while back, my mom and I were on the topic of marriage and weddings. She said that if I invited my dad to my wedding, she would not attend. This caught me off guard and I was initially quite upset. Having simmered on it since then and thinking things over, I've cooled off and have come to terms with it. I am, after all, much closer to my mother, I've seen the pain and suffering my dad put her through, and upsetting her so much just would not be worth the drama. When it comes down to it, I'd much rather have her there than my dad.

    My main concern is: do I invite relatives on my dad's side of the family? I haven't spoken with or seen my grandparents in at least 5 years and even longer for my aunts and uncles. I keep in touch occasionally with one cousin. Even though we're distant, my mom and I are on good terms with them. And how do I tell my dad that he isn't invited to his own daughter's wedding? I'm so tempted to just say, "Hey, you didn't bother to tell me you were getting remarried and invite me to your wedding, so you're not invited to mine." That seems so spiteful. Though, honestly, I don't even know that it would upset him all that much; he'd probably be inconvenienced since I would not invite his wife and he'd have to face family.

    Anyways, thoughts? 

    Also, is it weird to walk down the aisle alone? :x

    Thanks! :D
    If you do decide to invite your father, you must invite his wife. You have to invite significanat others of all guests.  You don't get to not invite someone's wife, or girlfriend because you don't like them.

    Honestly, don't invite your father if you don't want to. You're not close with him. But you never tell someone they are not invited.

    You can invite your father's family if you are close with them.
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  • Why not have your mom escort you down the aisle?
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  • Thanks huskypuppy14 - I hadn't thought of having my mom walk me down the aisle. I think she'd get a kick out of that :p 

    I also read on multiple threads that you can't invite one person and not their SO. I can't believe I forgot that for my own case =_= I'm an idiot.
  • mountaingirl8mountaingirl8 member
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    edited October 2014
    On the topic of (not) inviting your stepmother:

    Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but from what I remember reading about etiquette, it is ok not to invite someone if they have hurt you (emotionally in this case) and if their presence would make you/other guests uncomfortable. This rule would trump the "you must invite all SOs of guests" rule in my opinion. Based on what you wrote about your stepmother, I would assume that for you, she falls into this category, and not inviting her would be ok. 

    As for the father/mother issues, I feel for you :( Inviting relatives on your father's side is totally up to you and your future FI, and you should invite whomever you please :)

    For your walk down the aisle - just do what makes you and your future FI comfortable and happy. Walking with your mother could be really special, but so could walking alone!

    Don't worry about thinking about the future - I did it all the time before I got engaged. My FI and I have had talks like this (some even before we were engaged!) since his parents are also divorced and not on speaking terms.
  • lc07 said:
    You're not engaged and might not become engaged. This seems a bit of a stretch to be concerned about. If you must concern yourself with an imaginary future, it would be impolite to invite anyone without their significant other. You are more than welcome to walk down the aisle alone. Your mom sounds douchey for giving you an ultimatum regarding her attendance in relation to whether or not you invite your family.

    If my tone sounds off, please disregard. I've been watching a Downton Abbey marathon. 
    True, I'm not engaged. But I don't think getting married is unrealistic for me, so this is something I just wanted to have sorted out early if possible to avoid some stress since I'd have to deal with it anyway during the planning process. TK seemed like a good place to get some insight. 


    On the topic of (not) inviting your stepmother:

    Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but from what I remember reading about etiquette, it is ok not to invite someone if they have hurt you (emotionally in this case) and if their presence would make you/other guests uncomfortable. This rule would trump the "you must invite all SOs of guests" rule in my opinion. Based on what you wrote about your stepmother, I would assume that for you, she falls into this category, and not inviting her would be ok. 

    As for the father/mother issues, I feel for you :( Inviting relatives on your father's side is totally up to you and your future FI, and you should invite whomever you please :)

    For your walk down the aisle - just do what makes you and your future FI comfortable and happy. Walking with your mother could be really special, but so could walking alone!

    Don't worry about thinking about the future - I did it all the time before I got engaged. My FI and I have had talks like this (some even before we were engaged!) since his parents are also divorced and not on speaking terms.
    Thank you! This does give me a bit of relief since it would make both me and my mom really uncomfortable for his wife to be there. That goes double for my mom, since she doesn't want my dad there at all in the first place.
  • OP, I understand completely why you're starting to think about this. My parents had a bitter divorce less than a year before I got engaged - even though DH hadn't popped the question yet, let me tell you, I definitely thought about what I was going to do once it happened (we had discussed it and I knew it would be coming up sometime in the near future).

    I too an concerned about your mother's ultimatum. I understand that she was very hurt by your father, but at the same time, it is your wedding, not hers. If you want your father there, you should be allowed to invite him without her boycotting the wedding.

    Now, that being said, you need to decide for yourself whether or not you want to invite your father. I thought long and hard about it myself - I started off thinking there was no way in hell. I eventually decided that I did want to invite him (and his new wife) in order to not completely burn every last bridge. However, I knew that I did not want to have him walk me down the aisle, do a father/daughter dance/etc. He and I met up once in person about 6 months before the wedding (the first time since the divorce). We talked, it was awkward, etc. He asked about his role in the wedding - I told him he was invited as a guest. Once the invites went out, I reached out to him again, letting him know that DH's mom/stepdad and dad/stepmom would be processing down the aisle. I asked if he/his wife wanted to do so as well - I didn't want to make any assumptions - he responded with an RSVP card saying they weren't coming. I admit, I was pretty relieved when that happened.

    All that said, I invited all of my aunts, uncles, and cousins on that side of the family. They're my family and I love them. They were also incredibly supportive of my mother during the entire divorce and go out of their way to make sure she's included in every family event. Even if I had made the decision to not invite my father, I would have still invited all of them. You need to know your own family's dynamics, and also what you want (ie - who you want to invite).
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  • scribe95 said:
    Yeah, I have to be honest that I stopped reading when you said you aren't even engaged. This is just so far down the line that I don't understand why in the world you would be thinking about it and even posting about it. Live your life.
    This. Why are you even thinking about this now? 
  • 1. Agree with PP. Don't think about this now. Attitudes often change when you become engaged-- as I hope would be the case with your mother. If/when you get engaged, and you start chit chatting about guest lists, if your mother is not an emotionally manipulative person, I would imagine her tune would change. Seriously, when you're actually engaged (not just "almost there") it becomes a reality and people tend to start thinking a bit more rationally (at least that has been the case with my family and friends.)

    Don't invite your father if you really don't want to, but it sounds like if it was not for your mother's callous and thoughtless statement, you would. (I really do hope it was just a in the heat of the moment type of thing. My very rational, very considerate mother has also said things like that pre-engagement. "I'm not inviting them! I don't care! This person HAS to be invited!" And when it came time for wedding planning, when I was actually engaged, everything switched to "Whatever you want. This should be about you. Do you want so and so to come? What's important to you?"

    2. Walk down the aisle alone, with just your mom, with just your dad, with both your parents, with a lizard. That's completely up to you.

    3. It would be very rude to not invite your step-mom if you invite your father. She sounds like an annoying person, but that does not qualify as a reason to not invite her. If she was in the habit of becoming violent or stealing from people, that would be another story.
  • lc07 said:
    You're not engaged and might not become engaged. This seems a bit of a stretch to be concerned about. If you must concern yourself with an imaginary future, it would be impolite to invite anyone without their significant other. You are more than welcome to walk down the aisle alone. Your mom sounds douchey for giving you an ultimatum regarding her attendance in relation to whether or not you invite your family.

    If my tone sounds off, please disregard. I've been watching a Downton Abbey marathon. 
    The bolded.  I think it is horrible of your Mother, who you are close with, to tell you that if you invite your Father to your wedding then she will not attend.  What a bitchy and manipulative thing do to your own daughter.  That really disgusts me.

  • OP, I understand your thinking ahead, considering I posted my first discussion here asking a question for the hypothetical future back in 2009. It was silly, but I am engaged to the guy now, so, life lived adequately, I suppose.

    That said, I really don't think this (or anything to do with wedding planning) is something about which you need to concern yourself right now. Your relationships may still change further by the time you actually are drawing up a guest list. I agree with PPs that your mom made a selfish statement; I hope she wasn't really serious and just emotionally reacting to the initial idea of seeing your father again.

    Generally, re: the not-inviting-SOs if they've threatened you question - Sure, don't invite them, but still have to eliminate the whole couple. One of FI's uncles isn't invited because he threatened FMIL, his sister, at their last family reunion. His wife is a lovely person. We didn't invite her, because to invite her and leave out the uncle would still have been rude.
  • Come back to us when you are engaged.  We will be glad ti help you with wedding planning then.
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