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To be or not to be (the "bigger person")?

So, my dad's birthday is coming up and, as it happens, we'll be in the city that weekend. I spoke to my mom the other day (she's doing fine BTW, her post-chemo medication wasn't reacting the way it was supposed to, but the doctor picked it up and has changed her treatment so things are better now) to try and finalize travel plans, and she said she thinks I need to extend the olive branch and "be the bigger person".

I will admit, I've thought about it. All the important people in my life have "whole" families, and I'm jealous. I am straight-up jealous of my friends whose dads call "just to see how you're doing". But the thing is, even when my dad was IN my life, he didn't do that, and he got mad at me if I called him without a reason.

I thought about dropping a note in his mailbox when I go to see my sister, and just saying "hey, if you want to have coffee, just the two of us, I wouldn't totally hate it". But why? What purpose would it serve? I know that even if he read it, and we went to coffee, he'd only be in my life another year, maybe two, before something else happens and he quits on me again. Because that's his MO. When being a dad doesn't suit him any more, he'll just come up with another excuse, and another reason why BSC SM is better and/or more important than me.

Right now, I feel like I'm Thor, and he's Loki. Loki keeps tricking Thor, and undermining him, and trying to kill him, but because Thor's not a total asshole, he keeps giving him chances, forgiving him, welcoming him back, and in so doing, giving Loki opportunities to attack him again. The question is, mighty and awesome though Thor may be, do I really want to keep getting punched in the gut by a weaselly git because I'm nice? At what point shouldn't self-preservation take over ahead of being the bigger person?

I know my mom's just trying to help, because she knows how much it hurts me to not have a dad. But why do I always have to be the one extending the olive branch? Surely if my dad WANTED to be in my life, he would make the effort to contact me? My email address hasn't changed in a decade, my mom and my brother (both of whom he's still in contact with) have my phone number if he wanted it, and it's not that difficult to get my postal address either if he'd prefer to be old school about it. His lack of communication can only mean that he doesn't want to be in my life, so if I were to reach out to him, I'd be setting myself up for disappointment and opening the door to a whole other world of emotional upset, right?

I guess I've answered my own question. In this case, not to be. I don't really expect replies or anything, it just helps me to work things out if I can post about them here. So thanks for letting me do that, TK!
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Re: To be or not to be (the "bigger person")?

  • Not the same, but  I have some aunts that I pretty much lost touch with. Nothing happened, we just stopped  checking on each other. As time goes on it felt weird to extend the olive branch, so even longer passed.  Well this past year I picked up the phone and talked to my aunts.  Each time it was around their birthdays.  

     I can't say I regret the choice. One aunt we now text every few weeks so or so.  She even came out to spend Thanksgiving with us.

    The other aunt, we communicate about once a quarter now. Not bad considering we went a while only communicating  via my mom.

    Sure aunts are different then dads, but I went  wanting to know how they were doing. I truly wanted to know how they were doing.  I didn't expect anything other then  hopefully catching up on their lives.  

    No one can answer this question for you.  However, if you go into this with your eyes wide open and and just truly want to know how they are doing then I say stop being stubborn and just extend the branch.  Nothing ventured, nothing gained type of thing. Some people are too scared of rejection and I get that. 

     It might be a few years before your get there, but sometimes one just wants to know and extending that branch is worth it even if nothing really comes of it.






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  • I'm glad it turned out well for you, and you were able to get back in touch with your aunts. That's very cool!

    I think you've made some very valid points, and you've also brought up something that don't think I'd really given much thought to at all. That is: do I actually want to know how my dad is doing? Do I actually really care? And I think, after all these years of him disappearing in and out of my life, treating me like I'm some kind of burden, and such a bloody great disappointment to him... I don't think I do. Guess I'm the selfish brat he always claimed I was, after all.

    I think I may need to spend a little more time on this, but I'm fairly certain that I don't really want him in my life. I think I'm just trying to fill the dad-shaped hole... 

    And I miss my stepsisters. It's not their fault they have a BSC mom any more than it's my fault that I have a BSC stepmom. But I'm definitely not willing to open up the door to all of that crazy again.
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  • Can you reach out to your stepsisters without going through your dad or SM?

    I went through a couple years of not communicating with my dad, basically because of my BSC SM. It sucked. There's nothing like it and there's nothing that helps fill that void of not having your dad in your life. You can either adjust your expectations and learn to live with it or continue trying to get him to be an active participant. Unfortunately, it doesn't always work out.

    But I think you're right to explore whether you even want him in your life at all. What benefit would it serve you? While you might fill that dad-shaped hole for a while, what are you filling it with? Would having a relationship with him make your life better? Would it make you happy? That's the most important thing. Good luck :)

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  • I don't blame you for not wanting to put yourself out there again. Relationships can't be one-sided and it sounds like the one with your dad is. You can only put forth so much effort before you just get too tired of it. 

    If you do reach out, don't do it because your mom wants you to, and don't do it for the sake of your dad, and don't do it for the picture of the perfect family that you wish you had. Do it because it's a benefit to YOU and it's what YOU want. 

    If it's not a benefit to you, and it's not what you want, then there's no need to waste your time. You owe him nothing. 

    And I've learned from dealing with my BSC sister that there comes a point where you owe it to yourself to stop putting yourself out there for them to trample on you again and again and again. You deserve better than that, and there is absolutely NO earthly reason to put yourself through that. 
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  • Admitting you really don't want a relationship with a parent is hard.  It goes against "nature" so-to-speak.   

    If you don't want to reach out to him don't.  DO NOT let your family guilt you into reaching out to him.   

    That said,  this doesn't have to be permanent choice either.  You can always change your mind later if you want to extend the branch.  Just make yourself it's on your time, not anyone else's.






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  • OP, I think you should do whatever serves you. 

    I have a difficult relationship with my dad and it was exacerbated by a blow up a couple years ago where he acted like a jerk, a child, and his true narcissistic self.  For me it was a last straw. I still see him at holidays, in connection with family functions, but I don't spend time alone with him, and I hardly ever talk to him on the phone. My sister has suggested trying to patch things up with him, not for him, but for me. She says she has managed to do that and to accept him for who he is, mostly, but he still frustrates her to an extent. I find that I just don't have the capacity to know where to start with him. I still think it was good advice though, to consider working through it to heal myself. I just am not there yet. 

    If you feel like you will gain something from reaching out it is worth it. If you feel like it is better to be without him, that is fine too. 
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  • Can you reach out to your stepsisters without going through your dad or SM?

    I went through a couple years of not communicating with my dad, basically because of my BSC SM. It sucked. There's nothing like it and there's nothing that helps fill that void of not having your dad in your life. You can either adjust your expectations and learn to live with it or continue trying to get him to be an active participant. Unfortunately, it doesn't always work out.

    But I think you're right to explore whether you even want him in your life at all. What benefit would it serve you? While you might fill that dad-shaped hole for a while, what are you filling it with? Would having a relationship with him make your life better? Would it make you happy? That's the most important thing. Good luck :)

    I wish I could contact my stepsisters without going through dad or BSCSM, but unfortunately they're only 11 years old, so they don't have cellphones or email addresses of their own (one of the few things I actually agree with BSCSM about), and I absolutely do not trust BSCSM not to intercept their mail. She is, after all, BSC.

    Right now I honestly think that having a relationship with my dad would probably make my life worse, so I think I'm just going to stick to my guns and stay quiet.


    I don't blame you for not wanting to put yourself out there again. Relationships can't be one-sided and it sounds like the one with your dad is. You can only put forth so much effort before you just get too tired of it. 

    If you do reach out, don't do it because your mom wants you to, and don't do it for the sake of your dad, and don't do it for the picture of the perfect family that you wish you had. Do it because it's a benefit to YOU and it's what YOU want. 

    If it's not a benefit to you, and it's not what you want, then there's no need to waste your time. You owe him nothing. 

    And I've learned from dealing with my BSC sister that there comes a point where you owe it to yourself to stop putting yourself out there for them to trample on you again and again and again. You deserve better than that, and there is absolutely NO earthly reason to put yourself through that. 
    There is so much truth in your post, I can't stand it! Our relationship has ALWAYS been completely one-sided - to the extent that most of my family refers to him as "the sperm donor" in relation to me, and I have ALWAYS been the one to extend the olive branch and "make nice" when things have gone badly, and I just don't see the benefit in it any more. And you're right, I deserve better, I deserve a dad who's there, who cares, and who doesn't make me feel like I'm nothing. Since I won't get that from him, no matter what, then I'm better off with no dad at all, right?


    lyndausvi said:
    Admitting you really don't want a relationship with a parent is hard.  It goes against "nature" so-to-speak.   

    If you don't want to reach out to him don't.  DO NOT let your family guilt you into reaching out to him.   

    That said,  this doesn't have to be permanent choice either.  You can always change your mind later if you want to extend the branch.  Just make yourself it's on your time, not anyone else's.
    I think you've hit the nail on the head there. It feels unnatural to not care about him, and I feel like I'm somehow defective because I don't care about him. Anyway, you're right, it isn't my mom's call. If, at some point in the future, I feel like I should reach out to him, I will, but that time isn't now.

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    Thanks ladies, for your support and advice.
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