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FI is upset and I don't know how to fix it

Tl;dr: I hired a photographer FI didn't want and now he's super sad and I can't do anything to fix it.

I'm feeling really helpless right now. So, besides the venue, which was the first choice for both of us, FI had one aspect of the wedding that was really important to him: the photography. He has an old Army friend who is now a documentary photographer and does long-term projects where he photographs people on the fringes of society. His work is beautiful. FI wanted him to do the photography for our wedding, and I agreed that if he was willing to sign a contract, then that was fine. So FI sent him an email but because this guy was working on a project somewhere off the beaten path, it took him awhile to get back to us. Eventually, I was getting antsy, because the photographers local to our venue tend to go fast, so I asked FI back in December that if his friend didn't get back to us by a certain time, if it would be okay if I went ahead and hired a local photographer. He said sure, and wasn't interested in checking out the photographer I had in mind, saying he was sure it was fine. I wasn't upset that this guy was taking so long to get back to him, since he's not a wedding photographer so it's not his job to be checking his email for requests like that, but I wanted to make sure that we secured professional photography.

So that day comes and goes, I give it a few more days, FI gave me the go-ahead, and I contacted the photographer and put down a non-refundable 50% deposit. I thought that was fine, until a few weeks later, when FI got an email from his friend saying, "Sure! We can work something out!" So FI asks me to go ahead and cancel with the other photographer, and I tell him the deposit was non-refundable and how much it is, which made his jaw drop. When he told me to go ahead and book this other photographer, he thought that if his friend got back to him, I could just cancel and get the money back. He was upset, but we talked about it, and I thought everything was okay. This was about three weeks ago.

Then last night I noticed he seemed really upset about something, but thought he was just tired because we were driving so late from visiting his family. Then this morning he starts messaging me, asking if it's really not possible to get any of the money back, and that it was bothering him so much during the drive home last night. He said that this "changes the narrative" of our wedding, which really stung, because the narrative of our wedding is that we're getting married. But what it boils down to is that this was something that was really important to him, and now he can't have it. We're still inviting his friend, and of course, he's free to take as many pictures as he wants, but FI wanted him to be the only photographer of the day, and now he feels like the one aspect of the day he really cared about has been taken from him.

I told him that a lot of the things he said to me really hurt and that I'm tired of feeling like shit about this, and he apologized and told me I shouldn't, that he blames himself for not getting more information, and that he understands I was just trying to make sure the day is well planned, but he still didn't get what he wanted and there's nothing that can be done about it. He said he won't bring it up again, but that doesn't change the fact that his friend won't be the photographer at our wedding.

I don't know what to do. On the one hand, I'm still mad at a lot of the things he said to me and at the fact that he's basically saying, "Well I'm not mad at you but I'm mad about this and nothing can be done about that." But on the other hand, I understand why he's upset. I've been planning this wedding basically on my own, because he's made it clear that he trusts my judgment and most things he doesn't care too much about (the flowers, the DJ, etc), and to have the one aspect he really cared about taken away from him must feel pretty shitty, and looking back there were things I could have done to prevent it. I didn't do anything with malice, but I could have said, "Okay, so just so you know, this is going to be a non-refundable deposit of $X." It's being paid for by a relative but he was willing to pay for it himself it it was his friend, and if I told him that he could have said, "Oh, never mind, let's wait longer," and his friend would have gotten back to us soon after and we could talk to him about working something out.

So, I'm just really unhappy right now and I know he's unhappy and I don't want him to be miserable on our wedding day. I'm upset with him but I can also see how he views it, and when we talked we basically left it at me apologizing and him apologizing back for making me feel bad and promising never to talk about it again, but it was still obvious he wasn't happy. I hate that this has been eating at him. I keep thinking about how this is pretty much the only time I can think of where I've been inconsiderate to him, and I know he acknowledges this, but it's still a big thing to him, and I really wish he could just say, "Hey, I'm sure it's going to be fine and I'm just happy to be marrying you," but I also think it's easy for me the want this when thus far, I've made pretty much every decision regarding the wedding planning.

If you made it through all of this, I applaud you. And if you have any words of wisdom, or just nice thoughts, or cute gifs, that would be nice too. Thanks for reading. Stay fabulous.
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Re: FI is upset and I don't know how to fix it

  • Tough luck to him. It's complete BS to not be involved and then think you're entitled to be mad at how things turn out. If he wants to refund your relative's money himself and hire his friend, awesome. If not I think you just let him have his feelings and carry on in hopes he'll get over it. Pandering to him just sets up a nasty mommy-ing dynamic where you swoop in to heal his boo boo. Grown ups get hurt sometimes. They feel bad for a bit and then it's okay.
    I know and that's essentially what he's saying, but I still feel really bad. He was willing to refund the money himself but then found out it's more than he can afford. I don't pander to him so there's not a precedent for that and we usually can talk things through and leave them on a good note. I just hate that this bugs him so much and while part of me agrees that he should toughen up, the other part is looking back and seeing how I could have avoided this.
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  • Your FI clearly had his own wedding "vision," which didn't work out. He needs to do what any person getting married needs to do in that scenario - either decide with you that it's enough of a priority to eat the deposit and follow the vision, or adjust his vision. He's being bratty if he refuses to do either.
  • I agree with Starmoon. It's unfortunate but it's a situation he allowed to happen too. I can't help but think he's sulking a bit to make you feel guilty- and that's not cool.

    Is there any way you can afford 2 photographers? Or to eat the deposit for the one you booked? Not ideal but it might be worth it. Or can you change the package with your photographer?

    I would imagine a wedding photographer would be better at getting posed shots and big group photos than a documentarian. Maybe you could hire them both at a lower level so the friend can also enjoy the wedding-- get the best of both worlds?

    I'd be hesitant to hire a friend anyway, much less someone with a different specialty.
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  • Tough luck to him. It's complete BS to not be involved and then think you're entitled to be mad at how things turn out. If he wants to refund your relative's money himself and hire his friend, awesome. If not I think you just let him have his feelings and carry on in hopes he'll get over it. Pandering to him just sets up a nasty mommy-ing dynamic where you swoop in to heal his boo boo. Grown ups get hurt sometimes. They feel bad for a bit and then it's okay.

    I know and that's essentially what he's saying, but I still feel really bad. He was willing to refund the money himself but then found out it's more than he can afford. I don't pander to him so there's not a precedent for that and we usually can talk things through and leave them on a good note. I just hate that this bugs him so much and while part of me agrees that he should toughen up, the other part is looking back and seeing how I could have avoided this.



    If that's what he is saying for heavens sake listen! You don't have to do anything to fix this- it sounds like he's just feeling upset. That's okay. Let him. Don't make his upset ness all about you and how you now feel bad too.
  • Hmm...it sounds to me like he's being pretty overdramatic about this. It seems like he's put most of the planning on you, and now that he can't have his way about the one thing he cared about, he's throwing a fit about it. At least he's acknowledged that this is not your fault, but it kinda rubs me the wrong way. He could have been more involved in the entire process, and then maybe he wouldn't be feeling so set on this one thing. Now it's all on you. I did most, if not ALL, of the planning for my wedding, but my H gives me major props for that and could not have been more grateful. Anyway, my advice is to let him stew about it and hopefully he'll get over it when he sees what an amazing day you've busted your butt for. But please, don't apologize for something that is not your fault.
  • I'm sorry but he's been brooding about this for THREE WEEKS!?  I would be soooo beyond over it by now if I were in your shoes... there was no aspect of my wedding that I cared enough about to be disappointed and sulky about it three weeks later if it hadn't worked out, short of having to call the whole thing off.  I think it's super manipulative of him to have persisted in bringing this up and being visibly upset about it.  If it's that important to him he can figure out something to do to get the money to cover losing the deposit- walk some dogs, sell some stuff on Ebay, cut out his coffe budget, whatever.  I wouldn't be able to tolerate the ongoing pity-party and I think you need to let him know this is on him and you're not going to let him make you feel bad about it any more.
  • Did you inform him that is was a non-refundable deposit of 50% (which seems really high to me to be honest)?

    Whenever I book something with a deposit I always say to DH "when I hit this button, we are committed.  We will not get our money back.  Are you sure?"  That way there are no surprised later.   The fact that his jaw dropped at the amount of the non-refundable deposit leads me to believe these things were not discussed.    

    Sure he could have been more involved, but having 2 people doing the same research is not always productive. There are somethings DH researches on our behalf, others things I research.  Then we each provide full disclosure before pulling the trigger.   Somethings that are obvious to the researcher is not obvious to the other party.

    Anyway, just let him stew.  We all do at one point kick ourselves for not asking enough questions.  






    What differentiates an average host and a great host is anticipating unexpressed needs and wants of their guests.  Just because the want/need is not expressed, doesn't mean it wouldn't be appreciated. 
  • So... aside from all the great points mentioned above, why exactly is photography so important to him? Because photography was incredibly important to me too. However, I wasn't stuck on one person as a photographer, I was stuck on getting the type of photos I love and finding a person to do the job in my price range. 
    His friend will still be a guest. I love the suggestion of having him do engagement photos for you (I bet a documentary style would be awesome- showing you having a nice Saturday about town, or something).  
    I do think he needs to know that if he is that unhappy about it, it's up to him to change things, because you did nothing wrong. Nothing bothers me more than people who bitch without taking action, frankly, so it's either suck it up and shut up, or do something about it. 
    If he really wanted a certain style of photography, maybe show him your professional's portfolio and assure him you two can get the same style of photography that he admires of his friend's portfolio. Documentary style wedding photography is very popular these days. Also assure him that since you have a wedding pro, a wedding pro knows how to handle the intricacies of the day and family dynamics and won't miss any shots, and it'll be less stressful on his friend to just be a guest. 
    Good luck
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  • 50% seems like a really high non refundable deposit. Especially, because you know he had wanted his friend. 

    However, would his friend even want to work your wedding? I think it's best not to mix business with friends if at all possible, and his friend may have a better time just being a guest. Especially, since photography is such a demanding job and you need to work the entire wedding. It's not like a friend making your cake or the favors or something.
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  • Thank you everyone for your responses. I think at this point what I want to convey to him is that I appreciate him acknowledging that he hurt my feelings and apologizing for it, but I don't then want him to just say he won't talk about it anymore, because if he's upset about it then I don't want him to internalize it, but putting up a wall about it and saying, "Well, that's what I wanted and now I can't have it so I'm just going to have to deal with it." That's I think what really bothers me, because it feels like he's choosing to be miserable rather than thinking about how he can still get what he wants. But that's something I need to talk to him about, since saying it here won't get me anything :-)

    And you're right, I should have told him about the deposit being $x and non-refundable beforehand (which is high, but seems to be the norm for the area we're getting married in), and I have apologized to him about this a million times and see this as a good lesson. Unfortunately, his friend lives in British Columbia so I don't know how an engagement shoot would work, but as I said he is still invited and can take whatever pictures he wants.

    As for why the photography is so important to him, he is a photographer himself (though he works mainly in video) for his day job, so good photography is very important to him for capturing important events. I'm not kidding when I said his friend's work is stellar, but again, he's not a wedding photographer and he will still be invited as a guest.

    I also don't think a coincidence that these feelings are bubbling up when we're both tired from severe lack of sleep. He drove two hours last night and we basically got about five hours of sleep, which in my experience tends to amplify negative feelings. I do know that he loves me, but right now I'm so tired and upset from all this that I'm just feeling like I want to scream at him. So maybe it's good we're both at work right now.
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  • larrygagalarrygaga member
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    Personally, I would tell him to grow up because on the list of things that really matter in life, this ain't very high.


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  • If  he is a photographer why would not just let him handle it? 

    This does not excuse his bratty behavior, but even yourself said you were getting antsy.  Sometimes I get antsy when DH is not moving as fast as I want.  I have to remind myself that just because it's not getting done on my time, doesn't mean it isn't going to get done.    

    I think there are some lessons to be found here.



    You need to trust that your DH is going to come through even if it's not on your time frame.

    Your FI needs to learn how to get over something that is disappointing. Being a brat to your SO is not acceptable. 

    You both need to learn how to communicate.  You should have told him the details of the contract so he could have made a sound decision.   Okaying to look for another photographer is one thing.  Okaying to a non-refundable 50% deposit of "x" amount is another.   

    Your FI needs to communicate to you when he is feeling pressure to do something he wasn't clearly ready to do.











    What differentiates an average host and a great host is anticipating unexpressed needs and wants of their guests.  Just because the want/need is not expressed, doesn't mean it wouldn't be appreciated. 
  • So personally, I feel like your FI made a mistake, you guys didn't communicate well, and what's done is done. But I get the vibe you're still upset and looking for a way to "fix" it.

    Have you talked to the photographer you booked about this?

    It might be possible you can put that money towards a different photo shoot (boudoir? 1 year anniversary pics? pregnancy pictures?) in the future. I know that doesn't save you money, but then you don't lose it either. And if the new shoot isn't as elaborate as a wedding, maybe he/she will charge less overall.

    I know all of my vendors have been really accommodating, and we are trying to pay them off in full. Before making large payments I've asked about their refund policy in unforeseen circumstances, and they've all replied "we can work something out". It's worth a try.
  • @lyndausvi You're right. I should have trusted him, which is part of why I'm feeling so shitty. Because at the time it seemed like the right move and now of course it's obvious that it wasn't. I still believe it's better to have his friend as a guest than the official photographer, but his friend still seemed willing to do it.

    I'm pretty ashamed of myself, tbh, because in most situations we communicate quite well but for this particular one I made a mistake, which led to hurt feelings, which is leading to more poor communication.
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  • lyndausvilyndausvi mod
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    Somethings you just can't fix.   What's done is done.      Maybe you did jump the gun in finding a new photographer?  Maybe not?  Hindsight is always 20/20.   

    Time for both of you to move on.  

    And if he still is stewing, sometimes it's okay to say in a firm voice "Look, I get it, you are upset, but it's time to close this subject and move on."






    What differentiates an average host and a great host is anticipating unexpressed needs and wants of their guests.  Just because the want/need is not expressed, doesn't mean it wouldn't be appreciated. 
  • Thank you everyone for your responses. I think at this point what I want to convey to him is that I appreciate him acknowledging that he hurt my feelings and apologizing for it, but I don't then want him to just say he won't talk about it anymore, because if he's upset about it then I don't want him to internalize it, but putting up a wall about it and saying, "Well, that's what I wanted and now I can't have it so I'm just going to have to deal with it." That's I think what really bothers me, because it feels like he's choosing to be miserable rather than thinking about how he can still get what he wants. But that's something I need to talk to him about, since saying it here won't get me anything :-)

    And you're right, I should have told him about the deposit being $x and non-refundable beforehand (which is high, but seems to be the norm for the area we're getting married in), and I have apologized to him about this a million times and see this as a good lesson. Unfortunately, his friend lives in British Columbia so I don't know how an engagement shoot would work, but as I said he is still invited and can take whatever pictures he wants.

    As for why the photography is so important to him, he is a photographer himself (though he works mainly in video) for his day job, so good photography is very important to him for capturing important events. I'm not kidding when I said his friend's work is stellar, but again, he's not a wedding photographer and he will still be invited as a guest.

    I also don't think a coincidence that these feelings are bubbling up when we're both tired from severe lack of sleep. He drove two hours last night and we basically got about five hours of sleep, which in my experience tends to amplify negative feelings. I do know that he loves me, but right now I'm so tired and upset from all this that I'm just feeling like I want to scream at him. So maybe it's good we're both at work right now.
    We had a wedding photographer that came with our wedding package (destination wedding).  She was awesome.  But, we also wanted to have my SIL do some photos.  My SIL was in the wedding party, but my brother took a few ceremony photos.  Then they did some candid shots at the ceremony.  But, we also wanted some other locations for posed photos.  So, we had the hired photographer take posed & wedding party photos after the wedding.  Then, a couple days after the wedding, DH and I got dressed up again and had SIL do a posed photo shoot on the beach.  Both were amazing photographers and we love that we got photos with varied styles. And our absolute favorite wedding photos came from both batches. So, maybe have FI's friend informally take photos at the wedding and maybe set up a second photo shoot either the day of the wedding or afterward.

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  • @lyndausvi You're right. I should have trusted him, which is part of why I'm feeling so shitty. Because at the time it seemed like the right move and now of course it's obvious that it wasn't. I still believe it's better to have his friend as a guest than the official photographer, but his friend still seemed willing to do it.

    I'm pretty ashamed of myself, tbh, because in most situations we communicate quite well but for this particular one I made a mistake, which led to hurt feelings, which is leading to more poor communication.
    Why are you ashamed of yourself!?  You wanted the peace of knowing the photographer was taken care of, you set a reasonable request that if you hadn't heard back by X date you would book someone else, he agreed to it, and you acted on it.  I don't see how you are at fault at all and it's making me think your FI is super emotionally manipulative that you have this much guilt and regret over doing something completely reasonable and normal.  

    Although I agree that communication could have been improved, I do ultimately agree with all this. I think he's really going overboard with the brattiness here and needs to get over it.

    If he was a bride posting here how her Fi went and booked this after laying out the timelines above, we'd (kindly but bluntly, I'm sure ;) ) set her straight and say she was being ridiculous and to get over it; at the end of the day, you're still getting married and will have lovely pictures! Just let the rest go (to your Fi, not you).

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  • I think the PP's have given you a lot of good advice. You feel guilty about making him unhappy, but I agree that you were really reasonable in your decision making. You wanted a photographer for your wedding day and couldn't guarantee his friend would respond. You might have waited too long and not gotten someone you really wanted. And your FI says he cares about photography, but he didn't care enough to do any work. Or research. Or ask questions when you were putting money down. Which I think means he didn't care that much. Level of effort = level of care. At least in my book.

    I would personally probably try and see if there is some way you can work both out. You have a wedding photographer who can do shots the day of the wedding. He or she is probably much more experienced in doing wedding style group poses and a lot of other stuff that goes with wedding photography.

    Can his friend do a photo shoot with the two of you a day or two after the wedding? He can take photos the day of (background like he probably prefers) and he can stick with the groomsmen all day on the wedding day to take pictures that way. But then he gets the experience of being a guest and you still get pictures in his style.

    Either way I think you guys need to talk about it after you've both had more sleep and see if you can't reach a compromise that makes you both happy. And you need to see if there's a way he can be more involved so this doesn't sneak up on him again.
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  • teddygirl9teddygirl9 member
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    I'd see what his friend is offering before turning it down completely. You are totally not in the wrong, but I think there's probably still time to make you both happy.

     

    So, I'd find out what the friend is offering. If it's very reasonable, it might be worth cancelling the other photographer. Say your other photographer cost you $1000, so you put down $500 non-refundable, but this guy would do it for $250,  you're still 'ahead', even if you lost $500. (obv made up #s) You might also still try contacting the original photographer. Maybe he/she isn't so firm on the non-refundable part and had another offer for a job, so would consider cancelling for less.

     

    If it doesn't work out, I'd try not to dwell on it, but I think you still have some options to explore before totally shutting it down.

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  • Would it be possible for this friend to use his more photo essay and character rather than event style to do a 2 hour pre-wedding photo shoot with the two of you? We did one hour plus, in the afternoon, around the inn where we were married, the idea and cost our wedding gift from a friend.

    Neither of us were quite sure about it. But his more artistic style and eye show, and all of our best pictures are time we spent just the two of us, in our wedding finery, walking hand in hand, talking and laughing, and just looking at each other.

    Let the hired pro do his step by step through the wedding and reception, while friend is a guest. Have the best of both worlds. You did nothing wrong, and you consulted FI. But who is right or wrong it less important than keeping a happy relationship.
  • He sounds like he is being a bit bratty and immature.

    From what I understand you gave him many options and informed him many times about deadlines and what you were doing when.

    I find it very odd that photography was "SO" important to him when it was going to be his buddy, but when you went looking for a different photographer he did not bother to join in. Apparently having his friend be the photographer was more important than the actual photos.

    As far as the 50% thing, that is what my photographer required and my wedding planner agreed this was pretty standard so I would not worry too much about it.

    At this point what is done is done. He needs to stop pouting and you need to stop feeling bad about your actions. Maybe from now on he will take more of an interest in the wedding and give you a hand.

  • Hey, everyone, thanks so much for your responses. I think what floored me so much about this incident is that he is usually not one to dwell on these kinds of things, and I just wasn't getting why he decided to be upset about it instead of thinking of it in a different light. Like I said, we were both basically miserable zombies yesterday, so that helped very little.

    I think things are okay now. We talked a little and both apologized some more. I think PP's were right when they said I might just have to let him get over it on his own and trust that he will, which is actually not very easy for me. I'm the kind of person who when someone I love is upset and I feel at all responsible, I want to try and make it better, to the point where I have trouble just leaving people alone even if that's the best thing to do. So a few of you suggested that he's being manipulative, and while I'm not pleased by the way he reacted, I don't think he is. I mean, if someone else posted what I posted, I would think that too, but coming from actually being in the relationship and knowing myself, I think the issue right now is my own insecurity, which is something I struggled with long before I met him.

    There are going to be many times during the course of our lives together where we'll disappoint each other, and maybe this isn't the last time we'll discuss this particular issue, but for now I'm going to try to drop it, both in my conversations with him and in my head. He said he was fine and that he's happy, and I've learned that he doesn't wear masks when he's interacting with me, so when he acts happy, he is. When he came to bed last night he hugged me and told me he loved me and that I was awesome and he was a jerk and sorry, and then we listened to Jeff Bridges' Sleeping Tapes together and tried to figure out how seriously we were supposed to take them. So all in all, we ended things on a good note.
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