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Bothered by this. Re: parents being selfish

I don't know if I need advice, I think I just need to whine so I can get this off my chest and move on. 

My parents are some of the most self-absorbed people I've ever come across. They've done some really selfish, inconsiderate things that have impacted other people to the point that-- from just one of these instances-- my mom's entire side of the family was unhappy with the situation and upset with my parents. And they've done some things that have shown that they care far more about showing off to their friends than they do about anything else. It's all about appearances, right?

My dad's cousin's son got married last year so the FOG hosted this huge elaborate brunch the next day for all the wedding guests. This gave my parents the idea to do the same for me. When they first brought it up, I told them it seemed like it would be expensive and it was unnecessary, so don't worry about it. (Remember how my dad insisted on paying for the food, and he chose the food, and he approved the total cost, and then weeks later he flipped the fuck out on me about the cost but STILL insisted on paying?). When they brought it up again, I said if they thought the food for the wedding was so expensive, then there was no need for them to shell out any more money for anything else, and again, the brunch is totally unnecessary. I do not want the brunch, so don't do it. Why would you want to pay for something like that if you're so pissed about paying for wedding food? Save your money! 

But they kept bringing it up, and then I realized that the reason they were insisting on this brunch is because they don't care what that costs, since it's their chance to play big shots and throw this huge affair that they get total control over, and show off to everyone. Fine. Knock yourselves out. They clearly did not care at all that I explicitly said I didn't want the brunch. This was clearly for them and not me, so I wasn't going to fight them on it. 

The wedding is in city X. My parents live in city Y, an hour due west. Most of the guest will be coming from the south, some from the east, and some will be flying into an airport that's directly south of city Y or directly north of city Y (these are the nearest major airports). Very few people will be coming from the west, and those that are are all from my side (FI's side is all south and east). But.... wait for it... my dad's very wealthy cousins are coming from the west. 

So. My parents start talking about throwing this huge brunch in their city. I tell them right off the bat I do not like that idea, because it will exclude FI's entire side. I am NOT going to ask anyone to drive an hour west to my parents' city, to then have to go an hour back east and then the rest of the way home. That's hugely inconvenient to everyone EXCEPT my parents and the few people coming from their direction. Classic parents. 

When they "realized" they would be excluding FI's side, they claimed they would re-think the plan, but they didn't. I told them several times that I was not happy with FI's parents being excluded on purpose, but they're going full-steam ahead with their Great Gatsby party. (I call it this cuz my dad could fucking be Gatsby. No real friends but everyone comes for the party and the hedonism. Throw all the money around cuz that makes you important! Gross). 

As soon as I remembered that my parents are not reasonable people, and their motivations are selfish, I gave up on trying to have them host the brunch in wedding city so that FI's parents could come. My final word on it was that this was clearly just for them and their friends, which is fine, they can do whatever they want. But don't associate it with my wedding. And I will not be attending. I'll stay in wedding city and have breakfast with FI's wonderful family and our WP that are flying from all over the country to spend the weekend with us (the location is also extremely inconvenient to every single member of the WP). I will not attend something that purposely excludes my new in-laws. 

Normally I wouldn't even make a big deal about this because like I said, they can do whatever they want. If they want to have brunch at their big fancy country club with just their friends and spend a stupid amount of money, fine. Go ahead. But it's the message behind it, and the history of selfishness, and how they're more concerned with showing off for the wealthy cousins than they are with spending time with my new family or making them feel welcomed, or spending time with my mom's side of the family, or anyone else who probably won't want to go so far out of their way.... I just can't with this. 

I'm embarrassed and disappointed. I find it extremely humiliating when they pull shit like this, and then all their relatives/friends are coming to me about "why would they do this? Why are they being so selfish? Why is your dad such an asshole?" Or they don't come directly to me but I still overhear comments, or notice how upset people are. I find it humiliating that my parents are not even attempting to include FI's parents at all. I find it humiliating that I've voiced this to them, and they went on with their plan anyway without even considering other options. I just don't like the people that they are sometimes. Actually, I don't like the person my dad is all the time, but I expect more from my mom. It just sucks. 

From the first time FI's parents met my parents, and especially with how our engagement party went, I've been waiting for FI's parents to change their minds about welcoming me into their family, because if I come from such awful people how can I not be awful too? I also wonder about how they feel about their son marrying into such a family and having to deal with that type of in-laws. 

So thanks for letting me whine. It's probably something I should work out in therapy but since my insurance won't cover all the appointments, I can't afford to go back right now. TK will have to be my therapist for the time-being. 
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Re: Bothered by this. Re: parents being selfish

  • I don't have much to say besides the fact that it seems like you got your head in the right place!! I don't always post in your threads but I read them and I see a lot of you started to respect yourself, standing up for yourself and looking at the situations with a level head. GG
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  • larrygaga said:
    I don't have much to say besides the fact that it seems like you got your head in the right place!! I don't always post in your threads but I read them and I see a lot of you started to respect yourself, standing up for yourself and looking at the situations with a level head. GG
    Aw thank you, I really appreciate that. I think watching my parents/sister do the shit they do makes me work super hard to at least try to be a better person. I know I fuck up sometimes but I'd like to think that overall, I'm doing alright lol 
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  • I am so sorry @novella1186!  Vent all you want!  I don't have much to say, but just wanted to say that sounds like an extremely frustrating situation and good for you for standing up for yourself!  I am sorry you have to go through that.  I can completely understand your sentiment about a brunch the next day.   I don't think there is any way that your FI's parents would change their mind about accepting you into their family.  You seem like too great of a person for them to do that!  They obviously love you! 
  • Ugh, I'm sorry. That's really awful. My grandparents helped to raise me when my parents were going through a divorce and I can really relate -- I love my grandmom dearly but she acts in similar ways.

    All I can really say is vent away. It is exactly by not attending their wedding brunch that are indeed taking a decisive stance on the matter, even if you don't express it verbally to anyone. Your parents are embarrassing themselves, but I honestly do not think this is any reflection on you.

    Easier said than done, but try not to let what they're doing eat away at you too much. It's not worth it. Enjoy every moment of your wedding with your family and friends and then enjoy every moment of your breakfast the next day with your WP and new ILs. I'm sure they will all feel really excited to share such a special time with you! I would like to think that it's precisely your thoughtfullness that is clear during situations like this that make your FILs so excited to welcome you into their family. Don't sweat it.

    Hang in there.
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  • This situation really sucks. I'm sorry you feel embarrassed to be associated with a part of your family- I can relate, and it sucks.

    But your Fi and his family know you are your own person, and you've clearly shown that you do not approve of this behavior by choosing to not go to the brunch. So good for you, keep your head up and keep standing your ground! :)

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  • My mom and brother do things like this often to where I completely avoid being associated with my brother.  BUT people realize I am not them just as you are NOT your parents.  My in-laws and parents are very different, I know that, and despite my crazy family my in-laws welcomed me because I was not them. 

    Think about the positives!  .... and you have nothing to be embarassed about.  Your parents are the ones hosting a wedding brunch without the bride and groom!

  • I'm sorry about your parents, Novella. (I feel like this is a perpetual state for me--I'm never not sorry about your parents, ya know?).

    Know that you're doing the right thing, and that people around you will judge you by your actions, not by your parents. Believing that people will judge you by exterior things (money, fancy parties, other people) is actually your parents' way of thinking, but most people are much more straightforward: they'll see you choosing to be gracious to your guests and your FI's family, and give you the proper accolades for that. The fact that your parents are embarrassing is only embarrassing for them, not for you.
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  • If people are asking you about this brunch your parents are throwing, I think you are prefectly in the right to say, "I'm not sure why my parents have planned the brunch where they have.  But they are adults and that's what they wanted to do.  FI and I will be staying at x hotel and having breakfast in the y restaurant that morning.  We probably won't be going to my parents brunch as its inconvienent for us.  Maybe we will see you at the restaurant that morning, if you aren't going to the brunch."

    I would start slyly telling people you aren't going to the brunch.  It will show people that they shouldn't make an effort to go.  Some people may feel obligated to go, since its being thrown by POB, but if they know you won't be there, will decline so they aren't wasting their day traveling unnecessarily.  Hopefully, this plan of your parents will backfire greatly and they will be embarrassed because of low turnout.

  • I'm wondering, do you think they'll pressure you to include the brunch invites with your wedding invites? Or are they doing this just by word of mouth?

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  • I'm wondering, do you think they'll pressure you to include the brunch invites with your wedding invites? Or are they doing this just by word of mouth?
    They said they're sending separate invites on their own, and I think they're only sending them to the handful of people they deem worthy. Eye roll. 
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  • I'm wondering, do you think they'll pressure you to include the brunch invites with your wedding invites? Or are they doing this just by word of mouth?
    They said they're sending separate invites on their own, and I think they're only sending them to the handful of people they deem worthy. Eye roll. 
    Ew. But hey, silver lining is that it's clear you had nothing to do with it ;)

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  • I'm wondering, do you think they'll pressure you to include the brunch invites with your wedding invites? Or are they doing this just by word of mouth?
    They said they're sending separate invites on their own, and I think they're only sending them to the handful of people they deem worthy. Eye roll. 
    Ew. But hey, silver lining is that it's clear you had nothing to do with it ;)
    lol yeah, I think if people ask me about it I'll just say "I have no idea. That's my parents' thing, and I can't even make it because it's way out of the way for a lot of us. Oh well!" 
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  • I'm wondering, do you think they'll pressure you to include the brunch invites with your wedding invites? Or are they doing this just by word of mouth?
    They said they're sending separate invites on their own, and I think they're only sending them to the handful of people they deem worthy. Eye roll. 
    This event has nothing to do with your wedding. They just so happened to pick the day after your wedding to host a select group of people for brunch. Whatever. I get it's annoying, but let them do their thing, and you do yours. 
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  • I don't know if I need advice, I think I just need to whine so I can get this off my chest and move on. 

    My parents are some of the most self-absorbed people I've ever come across. They've done some really selfish, inconsiderate things that have impacted other people to the point that-- from just one of these instances-- my mom's entire side of the family was unhappy with the situation and upset with my parents. And they've done some things that have shown that they care far more about showing off to their friends than they do about anything else. It's all about appearances, right?

    My dad's cousin's son got married last year so the FOG hosted this huge elaborate brunch the next day for all the wedding guests. This gave my parents the idea to do the same for me. When they first brought it up, I told them it seemed like it would be expensive and it was unnecessary, so don't worry about it. (Remember how my dad insisted on paying for the food, and he chose the food, and he approved the total cost, and then weeks later he flipped the fuck out on me about the cost but STILL insisted on paying?). When they brought it up again, I said if they thought the food for the wedding was so expensive, then there was no need for them to shell out any more money for anything else, and again, the brunch is totally unnecessary. I do not want the brunch, so don't do it. Why would you want to pay for something like that if you're so pissed about paying for wedding food? Save your money! 

    But they kept bringing it up, and then I realized that the reason they were insisting on this brunch is because they don't care what that costs, since it's their chance to play big shots and throw this huge affair that they get total control over, and show off to everyone. Fine. Knock yourselves out. They clearly did not care at all that I explicitly said I didn't want the brunch. This was clearly for them and not me, so I wasn't going to fight them on it. 

    The wedding is in city X. My parents live in city Y, an hour due west. Most of the guest will be coming from the south, some from the east, and some will be flying into an airport that's directly south of city Y or directly north of city Y (these are the nearest major airports). Very few people will be coming from the west, and those that are are all from my side (FI's side is all south and east). But.... wait for it... my dad's very wealthy cousins are coming from the west. 

    So. My parents start talking about throwing this huge brunch in their city. I tell them right off the bat I do not like that idea, because it will exclude FI's entire side. I am NOT going to ask anyone to drive an hour west to my parents' city, to then have to go an hour back east and then the rest of the way home. That's hugely inconvenient to everyone EXCEPT my parents and the few people coming from their direction. Classic parents. 

    When they "realized" they would be excluding FI's side, they claimed they would re-think the plan, but they didn't. I told them several times that I was not happy with FI's parents being excluded on purpose, but they're going full-steam ahead with their Great Gatsby party. (I call it this cuz my dad could fucking be Gatsby. No real friends but everyone comes for the party and the hedonism. Throw all the money around cuz that makes you important! Gross). 

    As soon as I remembered that my parents are not reasonable people, and their motivations are selfish, I gave up on trying to have them host the brunch in wedding city so that FI's parents could come. My final word on it was that this was clearly just for them and their friends, which is fine, they can do whatever they want. But don't associate it with my wedding. And I will not be attending. I'll stay in wedding city and have breakfast with FI's wonderful family and our WP that are flying from all over the country to spend the weekend with us (the location is also extremely inconvenient to every single member of the WP). I will not attend something that purposely excludes my new in-laws. 

    Normally I wouldn't even make a big deal about this because like I said, they can do whatever they want. If they want to have brunch at their big fancy country club with just their friends and spend a stupid amount of money, fine. Go ahead. But it's the message behind it, and the history of selfishness, and how they're more concerned with showing off for the wealthy cousins than they are with spending time with my new family or making them feel welcomed, or spending time with my mom's side of the family, or anyone else who probably won't want to go so far out of their way.... I just can't with this. 

    I'm embarrassed and disappointed. I find it extremely humiliating when they pull shit like this, and then all their relatives/friends are coming to me about "why would they do this? Why are they being so selfish? Why is your dad such an asshole?" Or they don't come directly to me but I still overhear comments, or notice how upset people are. I find it humiliating that my parents are not even attempting to include FI's parents at all. I find it humiliating that I've voiced this to them, and they went on with their plan anyway without even considering other options. I just don't like the people that they are sometimes. Actually, I don't like the person my dad is all the time, but I expect more from my mom. It just sucks. 

    From the first time FI's parents met my parents, and especially with how our engagement party went, I've been waiting for FI's parents to change their minds about welcoming me into their family, because if I come from such awful people how can I not be awful too? I also wonder about how they feel about their son marrying into such a family and having to deal with that type of in-laws. 

    So thanks for letting me whine. It's probably something I should work out in therapy but since my insurance won't cover all the appointments, I can't afford to go back right now. TK will have to be my therapist for the time-being. 
    Girl, I totally get it. Vent away! It sounds like the invited parties will see that this is your dad's need for attention and not associate it with your, your FI, or your wedding. I echo PPs in just letting your dad do whatever his wants. This will be a poor reflection on him and it sounds like he doesn't very much care. 

    Enjoy your wedding with your (soon-to-be) husband and don't waste your time worrying about Gatsby. Heck, maybe even treat your in-laws to breakfast with your H the morning after so that it's clear that you love and want to spend time with them, regardless of what your parents have conveyed. 
  • How could your fiance's family not love you? You are so sweet and lovable! Don't worry, it's obvious that you are not your parents. :) 

    You're doing the right thing by stepping back and not getting sucked in to their crazy. I'm sorry that it is embarrassing, and that you maybe feel guilt by association when friends and family make comments that you overhear? You have no guilt whatsoever, and I hope you let those comments roll off you like water on a duck's back. 

    Then happy I, that love and am beloved 
    Where I may not remove nor be removed.

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  • What have your parents said about you not going to their special brunch? 
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  • How could your fiance's family not love you? You are so sweet and lovable! Don't worry, it's obvious that you are not your parents. :) 

    You're doing the right thing by stepping back and not getting sucked in to their crazy. I'm sorry that it is embarrassing, and that you maybe feel guilt by association when friends and family make comments that you overhear? You have no guilt whatsoever, and I hope you let those comments roll off you like water on a duck's back. 
    Aw thank you! :) 
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  • MadHops21 said:
    What have your parents said about you not going to their special brunch? 
    They pretty much ignore whatever I say so I'm pretty sure they're still assuming I'm coming. My mom keeps making comments about the brunch and then adding, "And I hope you and (FI's name) can make it." And I keep saying, "Well no, we can't make it."  

    But that's just them. I could be on fire and they wouldn't dump a bucket of water on me unless it would make them look good to their country club friends. Otherwise they'd just ignore the flames. 
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  • MadHops21 said:
    What have your parents said about you not going to their special brunch? 
    They pretty much ignore whatever I say so I'm pretty sure they're still assuming I'm coming. My mom keeps making comments about the brunch and then adding, "And I hope you and (FI's name) can make it." And I keep saying, "Well no, we can't make it."  

    But that's just them. I could be on fire and they wouldn't dump a bucket of water on me unless it would make them look good to their country club friends. Otherwise they'd just ignore the flames. 
    Ugh, my mom does that often. Ignore what I say and push what she wants. She keeps wanting a band at my wedding, and I really really don't. I don't like covers from other bands, I like the originals. My dad keeps saying "Well, if you're paying for it" (My dad is paying for the entire wedding, it's our wedding gift.) .
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  • MadHops21 said:
    MadHops21 said:
    What have your parents said about you not going to their special brunch? 
    They pretty much ignore whatever I say so I'm pretty sure they're still assuming I'm coming. My mom keeps making comments about the brunch and then adding, "And I hope you and (FI's name) can make it." And I keep saying, "Well no, we can't make it."  

    But that's just them. I could be on fire and they wouldn't dump a bucket of water on me unless it would make them look good to their country club friends. Otherwise they'd just ignore the flames. 
    Ugh, my mom does that often. Ignore what I say and push what she wants. She keeps wanting a band at my wedding, and I really really don't. I don't like covers from other bands, I like the originals. My dad keeps saying "Well, if you're paying for it" (My dad is paying for the entire wedding, it's our wedding gift.) .
    Yeah it's like "Oh if I just pretend I didn't hear that and just keep on pushing to get my way, then I'll get my way!" Nope. I'll tape a note to your forehead if I have to. 
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  • Your parents remind me of my sister-in-law's family.  Her husband insisted that their three children all go to expensive, out-of-state colleges, and then loudly complained to everyone about how much it is costing him.  The kids couldn't get far enough away from him.
    There have been no weddings in that family, yet, but when there is, it will be all about him and how much he is spending, and how many "important" people are coming.
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  • CMGragain said:
    Your parents remind me of my sister-in-law's family.  Her husband insisted that their three children all go to expensive, out-of-state colleges, and then loudly complained to everyone about how much it is costing him.  The kids couldn't get far enough away from him.
    There have been no weddings in that family, yet, but when there is, it will be all about him and how much he is spending, and how many "important" people are coming.
    That is just gross. I'm sure my dad will loudly bitch and whine about how "expensive" my wedding is and how it cost him a ton, even though he's only paying for the food, which is about 12% of the total cost. I can almost guarantee he will claim to be responsible for every single thing that goes well/looks nice, and if anything goes wrong he'll put it on me (like if the food ends up tasting awful, he'll say: "That was Novella's choice Novella was responsible for that. Oh you don't like the music? Yeah that was Novella. But the drinks are good right? Cuz I picked that, I was in charge of drinks, that's why they're good!") He's done that to me plenty of times before. So that's fun. 
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  • CMGragain said:
    Your parents remind me of my sister-in-law's family.  Her husband insisted that their three children all go to expensive, out-of-state colleges, and then loudly complained to everyone about how much it is costing him.  The kids couldn't get far enough away from him.
    There have been no weddings in that family, yet, but when there is, it will be all about him and how much he is spending, and how many "important" people are coming.
    That is just gross. I'm sure my dad will loudly bitch and whine about how "expensive" my wedding is and how it cost him a ton, even though he's only paying for the food, which is about 12% of the total cost. I can almost guarantee he will claim to be responsible for every single thing that goes well/looks nice, and if anything goes wrong he'll put it on me (like if the food ends up tasting awful, he'll say: "That was Novella's choice Novella was responsible for that. Oh you don't like the music? Yeah that was Novella. But the drinks are good right? Cuz I picked that, I was in charge of drinks, that's why they're good!") He's done that to me plenty of times before. So that's fun. 
    Then you should give a quick toast at the wedding thanking your dad for paying for the food!  "I hope you all enjoy the food, it was a gift from my parents!  Thanks mom & dad!"
  • CMGragain said:
    Your parents remind me of my sister-in-law's family.  Her husband insisted that their three children all go to expensive, out-of-state colleges, and then loudly complained to everyone about how much it is costing him.  The kids couldn't get far enough away from him.
    There have been no weddings in that family, yet, but when there is, it will be all about him and how much he is spending, and how many "important" people are coming.
    That is just gross. I'm sure my dad will loudly bitch and whine about how "expensive" my wedding is and how it cost him a ton, even though he's only paying for the food, which is about 12% of the total cost. I can almost guarantee he will claim to be responsible for every single thing that goes well/looks nice, and if anything goes wrong he'll put it on me (like if the food ends up tasting awful, he'll say: "That was Novella's choice Novella was responsible for that. Oh you don't like the music? Yeah that was Novella. But the drinks are good right? Cuz I picked that, I was in charge of drinks, that's why they're good!") He's done that to me plenty of times before. So that's fun. 
    Then you should give a quick toast at the wedding thanking your dad for paying for the food!  "I hope you all enjoy the food, it was a gift from my parents!  Thanks mom & dad!"
    lol pure brilliance 
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  • Sorry they're being ASSHATS.

     I know I don't often comment on threads at all, but I have read all of your posts about your family, including the ones about your crazy sis, and every time all I want to do is give you hugs, and then share my wine with you. 

    You have no reason to be ashamed, and I'm beyond sure that your FI's family knows that you are an awesome person.  You always have such a cool head on your shoulders, and you are so aware of how your actions can change the way things go.  You really are a genuine thoughtful person.


                                               

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  • falsara said:

    Sorry they're being ASSHATS.

     I know I don't often comment on threads at all, but I have read all of your posts about your family, including the ones about your crazy sis, and every time all I want to do is give you hugs, and then share my wine with you. 

    You have no reason to be ashamed, and I'm beyond sure that your FI's family knows that you are an awesome person.  You always have such a cool head on your shoulders, and you are so aware of how your actions can change the way things go.  You really are a genuine thoughtful person.


    Thank you, that is really sweet of you to say. Not gonna lie, it just made me tear up. 
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