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What to do..

Just to include some background first, as I've seen this is helpful in other posts, fiancé and I are getting married in October 2016. We are paying for the wedding mostly ourselves, with contributions from both my parents and FMIL and her husband in different areas. We have great relationships with my parents and FMIL and their contributions are being given to us as gifts with no strings attached. We are very fortunate they they have chosen to allow us to plan the day as we see fit and will be honoring them in different ways during the day. Also, both my parents and FMIL have become very close over the course of our relationship. Our families often celebrate holidays and birthdays together and have built a great relationship as one whole family, as opposed to two separate families.

But I'm not sure how to handle my fiancé's father. I don't want to call him my FFIL because to be honest, he really hasn't been much of a father to my fiancé and they have no real relationship. They only have contact when fiancé reaches out with a phone call (just as an example, fiancé and I have been together for almost 6 years and I have met his father only once). FMIL and fiancé's father were divorced when fiancé was very young and to make a long story short, fiancé father has not been there for fiancé physically, emotionally or financially. Luckily, FMIL remarried soon after and fiancé's stepdad has been an integral part of his life and a real father figure to him. Although he is very close to his stepdad, I know fiancé still has that empty feeling of missing his "father" and wanting him to be part of his life, and he is constantly disappointed by this. It breaks my heart to see this because I couldn't imagine not having both of my parents in my life (my parents have been happily married for over 30 years). I admittedly have almost built a resentment towards this man for hurting my fiancé as much as he has (when I say hurt, I mean the emotional hurt of not being around) and would like nothing more than to tell him off for being such a poor excuse of a father. It makes me angry that someone could treat their own child like that and it makes me even angrier that this "child" is the man that I love.

Now when it comes to our wedding, I have always dreamed of having a small-ish wedding (maybe 100 people) but as we began planning we realized that if we wanted to include all the people who are most important to us, then we needed to have a larger wedding. I've come to terms with that and I'm actually looking forward to having all our family and friends come together to celebrate our marriage. My dilemma comes with inviting fiancés father. Fiance wants to invite him and for me, that it purely his decision. I would never imagine telling him that we shouldn't include his father (even though it kills me), because I understand that it is important to him and he still deep down holds hope for that real relationship with him. But from the second fiancé told his father that we were getting married, his father was already requesting that his girlfriend and her children be invited to the wedding along with aunts and cousins that my fiancé has not seen or spoken to since childhood. I'm not sure how to handle this. I don't want to further strain whatever relationship fiancé has been able to maintain by putting limits to who can come from that side of the family, but I just don't see how inviting any of these people is necessary. Obviously fiancés father and girlfriend will be invited, but do I have to invite all these other relatives? I want to be supportive and give fiancé every opportunity to try to include his father, but am I wrong for not wanting complete strangers, to both myself and fiancé, at my wedding? Also, how do I keep this situation from becoming awkward? As mine and fiancé's family have become very close, this will be a giant family celebration, fiancé's father will essentially be an outsider.

I'm sorry for such a long-winded post and I also apologize if anything may be unclear, but I'm just at a loss. I know my wedding is a long way out but I know it is something that is eating away at fiancé and I want to be as supportive and understanding as I can. Any input, advice, or similar situations would be appreciated, as I'm sure that this is not a completely unique situation.

Re: What to do..

  • Just to include some background first, as I've seen this is helpful in other posts, fiancé and I are getting married in October 2016. We are paying for the wedding mostly ourselves, with contributions from both my parents and FMIL and her husband in different areas. We have great relationships with my parents and FMIL and their contributions are being given to us as gifts with no strings attached. We are very fortunate they they have chosen to allow us to plan the day as we see fit and will be honoring them in different ways during the day. Also, both my parents and FMIL have become very close over the course of our relationship. Our families often celebrate holidays and birthdays together and have built a great relationship as one whole family, as opposed to two separate families.

    But I'm not sure how to handle my fiancé's father. I don't want to call him my FFIL because to be honest, he really hasn't been much of a father to my fiancé and they have no real relationship. They only have contact when fiancé reaches out with a phone call (just as an example, fiancé and I have been together for almost 6 years and I have met his father only once). FMIL and fiancé's father were divorced when fiancé was very young and to make a long story short, fiancé father has not been there for fiancé physically, emotionally or financially. Luckily, FMIL remarried soon after and fiancé's stepdad has been an integral part of his life and a real father figure to him. Although he is very close to his stepdad, I know fiancé still has that empty feeling of missing his "father" and wanting him to be part of his life, and he is constantly disappointed by this. It breaks my heart to see this because I couldn't imagine not having both of my parents in my life (my parents have been happily married for over 30 years). I admittedly have almost built a resentment towards this man for hurting my fiancé as much as he has (when I say hurt, I mean the emotional hurt of not being around) and would like nothing more than to tell him off for being such a poor excuse of a father. It makes me angry that someone could treat their own child like that and it makes me even angrier that this "child" is the man that I love.

    Now when it comes to our wedding, I have always dreamed of having a small-ish wedding (maybe 100 people) but as we began planning we realized that if we wanted to include all the people who are most important to us, then we needed to have a larger wedding. I've come to terms with that and I'm actually looking forward to having all our family and friends come together to celebrate our marriage. My dilemma comes with inviting fiancés father. Fiance wants to invite him and for me, that it purely his decision. I would never imagine telling him that we shouldn't include his father (even though it kills me), because I understand that it is important to him and he still deep down holds hope for that real relationship with him. But from the second fiancé told his father that we were getting married, his father was already requesting that his girlfriend and her children be invited to the wedding along with aunts and cousins that my fiancé has not seen or spoken to since childhood. I'm not sure how to handle this. I don't want to further strain whatever relationship fiancé has been able to maintain by putting limits to who can come from that side of the family, but I just don't see how inviting any of these people is necessary. Obviously fiancés father and girlfriend will be invited, but do I have to invite all these other relatives? I want to be supportive and give fiancé every opportunity to try to include his father, but am I wrong for not wanting complete strangers, to both myself and fiancé, at my wedding? Also, how do I keep this situation from becoming awkward? As mine and fiancé's family have become very close, this will be a giant family celebration, fiancé's father will essentially be an outsider.

    I'm sorry for such a long-winded post and I also apologize if anything may be unclear, but I'm just at a loss. I know my wedding is a long way out but I know it is something that is eating away at fiancé and I want to be as supportive and understanding as I can. Any input, advice, or similar situations would be appreciated, as I'm sure that this is not a completely unique situation.
    Well if your FFIL isn't paying then he doesn't get a say in who is invited (except of course he can expect that his SO is invited.) However you do point out that the two of them will be outsiders so maybe allowing him to pick another 4-6 people to fill up a table would be a nice gesture. How does your fiance feel about inviting the extra people? If he wants to build a stronger relationship with his dad he might find these people important too. Also as it's his father I'd be letting your FI deal with telling his dad who is and isn't invited or asking for a guest list. Luckily you have a lot of time to figure all of this out. Good luck.
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  • I think this is your FI's call to make, assuming you can accommodate the extra relatives to begin with. You are completely fine etiquette-wise just inviting FI's dad and his girlfriend, and it's rude of his dad to put you on the spot for more invitations. But I would let FI decide this one.
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  • You only HAVE to invite his girlfriend, and if the children are young, if you are inviting other children, you should invite them, too. Your fiancé is not obligated to invite extended family.
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  • I think this is your FI's call to make, assuming you can accommodate the extra relatives to begin with. You are completely fine etiquette-wise just inviting FI's dad and his girlfriend, and it's rude of his dad to put you on the spot for more invitations. But I would let FI decide this one.
    This. It really isn't your call to make since it is his family.
  • Well first, if y'all want complete autonomy on the guest list, you should decline any financial contributions from FFIL.

    If you do that, the only person you'd be obligated to invite would be his gf. No one else.

    But this is your FI's family and should be his call. Not yours.
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  • It doesn't really matter to me if you want to invite them. What matters is if your FI wants them there.
  • SP29SP29 member
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    If you invited FFIL, you are only required to invite his gf, no one else.

    But I agree, this should be your fiancee's decision on how he wants to proceed.

    If your FI doesn't want to invite these people, then when the time comes you can send an invitation to only FFIL and his gf. Leave it at that.

    However, I would support your FI if he does want to invite some family.

    It is also a fair point that inviting FFIL and his gf alone does make them sort of "outsiders", thus allowing them to invite a tables worth of guests is not a bad idea. In this case, FI can let him know, "We have space for you to invite 6 guests. Who would you like to see invited?".  Then he can give you a list of which family members he would like to have there. If he gives you names of several more guests you can repeat, "We only have room for X additional guests. We need a list of X guests by Y date". Or, your FI can tell him to give you a list of who he would like to see invited, and then your FI will choose from there based on space and who HE would like to have at his wedding.

    We did the later with all of our parents- asked who they would like to have invited, and we would decide from there. My parents were easy, they only wanted one couple each. DH's dad wanted 3 couples, we invited 2/3. DH's mom gave us a longer list of near 10 couples (some were extended family, some were MILs friends)- we did not invite all of these people. I let DH decide, and he chose whom he felt most appropriate.
  • lc07lc07 member
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    I would let my FI make this decision 100% and happily stand behind his choice. If FI wants to invite these people and work on rebuilding the relationship I wouldn't want to sound even the tiniest bit unsupportive of that, personally. 
  • Agree that it's FI's decision to make. But if you invite FFIL, the only person you have to invite is his gf. 

    Just because he's a father, doesn't mean he gets the FOG treatment, because it seems his step dad is more of a dad, then his bio dad. It's also rude for FFIL to demand that other guests be invited, "buddy, you're lucky you're getting invited". But again, this is your FI call.

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