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Self-appointed groomsman

FI told me last night that he'd talked to an old friend yesterday, he'd called to let FI know he'd just picked up the ring to propose to his girlfriend, and then asked FI about the wedding planning. 

FI, who is a jeans and button down guy, mentioned he's wearing a tux. Friend said 'oh man, you're gonna make me stand up in front of people in a tux?' FI said "well it's black tie optional, so suits work too" but apparently friend didn't get the hint as later in the conversation mentioned something else about the rehearsal dinner/making a speech. 

To be clear, I've never met this guy. FI said he's only seen him once in the last 5 years (we've been together 3.5), but have been friends since they were toddlers.
I'm only planning on 2 BMs, and FI has 2 brothers so is planning on those two being GMs (no one has been asked yet). 

I asked FI, hypothetically, if I asked another friend or two to be BMs, would this guy make the cut *then*- no. He's got closer friends- whom I've met! Multiple times!- who he'd pick first. This guy would be #6... and he nor I want that large of a bridal party. 

FI asked that I help figure out a way to kindly/politley let this guy know that in fact he's not a groomsman. FI said he's kind of sensitive, which is why he didn't bluntly say 'dude, you're not standing next to me' when he brought it up on the phone. I told him to blame it on me, and say "Knicker's only having 2 and she said I can only have 2, and so just my brothers, sorry man" but he sweetly, doesn't want to 'blame me'. 
Any ideas? I've never met the guy, so no harm done to me if he hates me! ha!

Re: Self-appointed groomsman

  • "I'm sorry if there was any misunderstanding but you aren't part of the wedding party."

    I think this guy needs a pretty blunt response.

  • FI told me last night that he'd talked to an old friend yesterday, he'd called to let FI know he'd just picked up the ring to propose to his girlfriend, and then asked FI about the wedding planning. 

    FI, who is a jeans and button down guy, mentioned he's wearing a tux. Friend said 'oh man, you're gonna make me stand up in front of people in a tux?' FI said "well it's black tie optional, so suits work too" but apparently friend didn't get the hint as later in the conversation mentioned something else about the rehearsal dinner/making a speech. 

    To be clear, I've never met this guy. FI said he's only seen him once in the last 5 years (we've been together 3.5), but have been friends since they were toddlers.
    I'm only planning on 2 BMs, and FI has 2 brothers so is planning on those two being GMs (no one has been asked yet). 

    I asked FI, hypothetically, if I asked another friend or two to be BMs, would this guy make the cut *then*- no. He's got closer friends- whom I've met! Multiple times!- who he'd pick first. This guy would be #6... and he nor I want that large of a bridal party. 

    FI asked that I help figure out a way to kindly/politley let this guy know that in fact he's not a groomsman. FI said he's kind of sensitive, which is why he didn't bluntly say 'dude, you're not standing next to me' when he brought it up on the phone. I told him to blame it on me, and say "Knicker's only having 2 and she said I can only have 2, and so just my brothers, sorry man" but he sweetly, doesn't want to 'blame me'. 
    Any ideas? I've never met the guy, so no harm done to me if he hates me! ha!
    PPs have the response to the guy down.

    There is no such thing as a "Black Tie Optional event."  Your event is either Black Tie with all of the trimmings that go along, or it is not and you simply want your guests to dress up.  


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  • levioosa said:

    PPs have the response to the guy down.

    There is no such thing as a "Black Tie Optional event."  Your event is either Black Tie with all of the trimmings that go along, or it is not and you simply want your guests to dress up.  
    Well, the 'dress code' is Black Tie optional, because the event will be black tie, but didn't want those without tuxes to feel like they had to go rent one- a nice suit would suffice.
    It's an evening wedding in Manhattan at a lovely private club right off CP- it's a black tie event, but thinking of our guests, didn't want to make tuxes mandatory. The reception venue is one that won't even allow anyone in who's not in a coat & tie- heck they only started allowing women to wear pants about 10 years ago!

  • auriannaaurianna member
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    edited December 2015
    PPs have it.
    If it comes up again, "Hey man I'm really happy you plan to come to my wedding and I'm honored to have you as a guest, but we're keeping the actual wedding party small. It's just going to be my brothers. But let's party at the reception!" something like that.

    Definitely don't let him use you as an excuse because:
    1. Sides don't need to be even and plenty of people know that
    2. You don't have any say in his side of the wedding party (they should be his nearest and dearest, not yours, so it doesn't matter if you've even met them)
    3. It makes you look controlling which I have no reason to assume you are


    Yeah, for attire, unless you are having a legit black tie wedding (evening, no gap, plated multi-course meal, top shelf open bar, free valet service etc etc), or unless the venue has an actual dress code that they will enforce (ie no jacket and tie, no entry), it is inappropriate to put any sort of dress code anywhere.
    Just have your invitations match the formality of the event.

    Based on the invite, time of the wedding and type of reception location, your guests will be able to figure out what to wear themselves.

    If this guy comes in jeans that's fine and on him. If that's what he's comfortable wearing don't tell him not to unless the venue won't actually let him in.
  • aurianna said:
    PPs have it.
    If it comes up again, "Hey man I'm really happy you plan to come to my wedding and I'm honored to have you as a guest, but we're keeping the actual wedding party small. It's just going to be my brothers. But let's party at the reception!" something like that.

    Definitely don't let him use you as an excuse because:
    1. Sides don't need to be even and plenty of people know that
    2. You don't have any say in his side of the wedding party (they should be his nearest and dearest, not yours, so it doesn't matter if you've even met them)
    3. It makes you look controlling which I have no reason to assume you are


    Yeah, for attire, unless you are having a legit black tie wedding (evening, no gap, plated multi-course meal, top shelf open bar, free valet service etc etc), or unless the venue has an actual dress code that they will enforce (ie no jacket and tie, no entry), it is inappropriate to put any sort of dress code anywhere.
    Just have your invitations match the formality of the event.

    Based on the invite, time of the wedding and type of reception location, your guests will be able to figure out what to wear themselves.

    If this guy comes in jeans that's fine and on him. If that's what he's comfortable wearing don't tell him not to unless the venue won't actually let him in.
    Thanks, yes, the wedding is 'legit black tie'- evening, no gap, plated multi course meal, stations & passed during cocktail hour, stations & passed dessert bar, full top shelf bar throughout the evening, shuttles for guests from the 3 hotels w/room blocks to the ceremony, to reception (for all, not just those in hotels) and then shuttles back to hotels. 
    We're not writing 'black tie optional' anywhere, just mentioning it to people who have asked-because we don't care if guests show up not in a tux. We will be posting the club rules on our website however, as jeans are never allowed, nor are collarless shirts. After 5pm jacket & tie are mandatory. 

    And yes, I'll have FI be more straight with his friend next time. I have no idea how sensitive he is, as I've never met him, but I vaguely remember him bringing it up in a past conversation, possible it was someone else though.
  • Sensitive or not, it seems like your FI needs to be blunt and say he's only having his brothers in his wedding party if it comes up again. If your FI just tries to drop hints to be nice this guy might not get it.
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  • wink0erin said:
    Sensitive or not, it seems like your FI needs to be blunt and say he's only having his brothers in his wedding party if it comes up again. If your FI just tries to drop hints to be nice this guy might not get it.
    That was my thought, but wanted some back up ;)
  • Echoing PPs. For what it's worth, something similar happened to DH. After our engagement, a friend of his called to congratulate him and then made a comment like "who else have you picked for groomsmen?" implying that he was a shoe in and DH said he wasn't sure yet -- we didn't even have date yet. In reality, DH knew exactly who he was going to ask and this friend wasn't one of them. He was worried it would come up again and decided to be honest when the time came. A few months went by and DH ran into his friend. He straight-up said "I'm in the wedding, right?" and DH was honest... "no, I already have my groomsmen for the wedding but you'll be there at the wedding I hope... save the date for 10/31/15...." We even ran into him a few times in between the talk and the wedding and all was good. He attended our wedding and it was fine.
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  • Thanks @peachy13 !
    I had sort of prepared for this with one of my friends- a 24yo girl, but never expected a 38yo guy to be so forward/touchy about being a groomsman! 
  • OP - Since your wedding is legit "Black Tie", I would put the dress code of your venue also on an insert in your invitation.  Not many people read the wedding websites of couples, so its possible that some guests may miss it.

    The card should state something along the lines of "Please note: CP Country Club requires jackets and ties after 5 PM for gentleman."  Then also add any female requirements too.  This card could also mention the shuttles and room blocks.  So it would be more of an overall information card.

    I believe there was a poster once who was having a wedding at a CC and they did not allow colored shirts, only white for men.  So they stated that and also directed them to the website of the CC, so the guests could view the dress code first hand - if they wished.

  • "We decided to keep the wedding party small, so only my brothers will be groomsmen." and then change the subject. No blame. No nonsense about even sides.
    I agree with Liatris
  • lovesclimbinglovesclimbing member
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    edited December 2015
    levioosa said:



    Thanks @peachy13 !
    I had sort of prepared for this with one of my friends- a 24yo girl, but never expected a 38yo guy to be so forward/touchy about being a groomsman! 

    Say no to sexism.

    I believe the word you're looking for is "woman," as well.  


    -------boxes--------

    And say no to ageism.

    I was 20 when my sister got engaged. I expected she would ask me to be her maid of honor. She had been mine, and we are close. While chatting after the engagement, she said something about "oh and this is what I was thinking for your bridesmaid dresses." I said, "oh, am I a BM?" and she said "of course."

    Fast forward a month or two. She has not said anything about MOH so I expect that she has asked friend X, who is in the wedding party, to be MOH. I'm chatting with our mom on the phone and we're talking about showers and I say something about waiting for X to contact me since she's the MOH or if I should reach out to X and say I'll help however. Then Mom tells me that my sister has said things to her about me being MOH. I tell mom that I originally thought she might ask me, but she certainly is not required to and she hasn't asked me, so I'm assuming that I am a regular bridesmaid, which I am fine with.

    ETA:

    I got a call the next day from my sister who asked me to be her MOH. She said she thought I knew I was MOH and I was all along, she didn't realize she hadn't officially said it until mom called her and told her I didn't know that I was MOH.

    Too long, didn't read. Assuming you are in the wedding party has nothing to do with age. It has to do with being socially aware and polite and knowing/being taught good manners.
  • Sorry, I was just referring two two specific people. My good friend is a 24yo girl, who has the personality type that lends her to assuming many things, I was actually worried about what I would have to say to her. (FYI, I'm 25 as is one BM, the other is 23, but I would have zero worry about her assuming anything- just who she is)

    I'm not saying all girls/24yos are this way, nor that boys/38yos would be a different way, I just thought that it was interesting/funny that the one I was worried about was not an issue, and that SOs friend is. 
  • Sorry, I was just referring two two specific people. My good friend is a 24yo girl woman, who has the personality type that lends her to assuming many things, I was actually worried about what I would have to say to her. (FYI, I'm 25 as is one BM, the other is 23, but I would have zero worry about her assuming anything- just who she is)

    I'm not saying all girls women/24yos are this way, nor that boys men/38yos would be a different way, I just thought that it was interesting/funny that the one I was worried about was not an issue, and that SOs friend is. 
    Fixed that for you.
  • Sorry, I was just referring two two specific people. My good friend is a 24yo girl, who has the personality type that lends her to assuming many things, I was actually worried about what I would have to say to her. (FYI, I'm 25 as is one BM, the other is 23, but I would have zero worry about her assuming anything- just who she is)

    I'm not saying all girls/24yos are this way, nor that boys/38yos would be a different way, I just thought that it was interesting/funny that the one I was worried about was not an issue, and that SOs friend is. 

    ----boxes----

    I get that, and no hard feelings. In this scenario, it may have been better to say "I was worried about my friend because she often assumes things." In the context comparing her with a 38-year-old, it sounded like it was because of her age.

    I get touchy on this subject because I frequently see people on these boards hear about an over-the-top bridezilla and then ask questions like "how old is she?" Or reply to a special snowflake by saying things about she must be super young.

    I was a young bride and I was neither a bridezilla not a special snowflake and had a wedding that was just about perfect, etiquette wise, and I have plenty of young bride friends who were similar. It has nothing to do with age.
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