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Zooming off the rails

Dear Prudence,

I’ve been in a book club of 15 women for about a year now. We’ve since taken to meeting over Zoom once a month. One member, “Jada,” has had a difficult year. She’s dealt with job loss and a death in the family, not to mention the pandemic. The problem is that she’s started to dominate our meetings, such that it’s feeling more like a therapy session than a discussion group. Though we try to stay “in the text,” she manages to turn every topic into an opportunity to unload about incredibly personal things like childhood trauma, repressed sexual abuse, financial insecurity, a 20-year-old friend breakup. It’s just a lot. Another member of the club gently recommended that Jada seek therapy, but she said she “didn’t need to pay someone to listen.” I’ve found myself starting to dread our meetings. It’s a downer to hear Jada unload, and I feel simultaneously helpless, sad for her, and annoyed at her monopolization of the airtime. What’s the right next step here?

—Book Club Bore

Re: Zooming off the rails

  • Is there a group leader? If so it’s time for them to step in and ask that Jada stay on topic. 

    And they should do it privately. The pandemic is super hard for everyone and it sounds like she’s having a really tough time. It’s not an excuse for treating book club like free therapy but I think a little patience and grace is appropriate as we all try and navigate what the pandemic is bringing up. 
  • Who is running the Zoom?  

    Frankly, I'd ask the person in charge if she can redirect when things get a little off and possibly mute everyone when it's not time to talk.

    Or, you may need to leave the book club if Jada is too much.   However there are ideally more ways to help fix this especially with administrative controls. 
  • downtondivadowntondiva member
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    edited May 2020
    It's not fair for Jada to turn book club into free therapy sessions and ruin it for others who may be relying on it as an escape or diversion right now from their own troubles. At the same time, she is clearly struggling, and there's no need to shame her in front of everyone. 

    I suggest you talk to whoever is in charge of the book club and ask if they can either redirect the conversation back to the book or take Jada aside (so to speak) and gently talk to her about this problem. 
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  • My book club has morphed into a zoom support group since the pandemic. This month we didn't even read a book, we just drank a bunch of wine and unloaded. But, we're only 6 people and no one person is dominating the conversation. 

    I agree that OP should reach out to the group leader and ask them to speak with Jana before the next meeting, or create some guidelines to help keep the conversation on topic. If that doesn't work, OP can make up a white lie that she finds 15 people on an unstructured zoom call to be a bit much for her and bow out until the group is able to revert to in-person meetings. 
  • short+sassyshort+sassy member
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    edited May 2020
    Someone definitely needs to chat with Jada privately, the organizer if there is one, that she needs to cut way back on the personal stuff.  Because that is not what these book club meetings are meant for and it has been taking too much time away from discussing the books.

    It would be extra great if there are some members who want to have a separate non-book Zoom meeting once a month.  And that can be given as an alternative to Jada and any other members who want to talk about what's been going on with them.  But only if there is an interest.  No one should feel obligated.  
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  • I agree to have the organizer talk to her separately. It isn't fair for her to monopolize the conversation. 

    However, it did make me think of my book club. We have been meeting for almost thirty years. We always talk about our lives and kids (who grew up together) and whatever else is going in the world. One person doesn't dominate the conversation though. During the pandemic we have been zooming every week just to talk. We did have a book club zoom last week where we had a book to discuss. We aren't formal though with questions about the book. We just kind of talk about it for ever how long, drink wine, eat dinner and talk about stuff.
  • Oh boy, I have known so many people like Jada.  So many.  Emotional black holes love me, and I mean loooooooove me like an imprinted baby duck.  I can not count how many times I have heard deeply personal details less than one hour after meeting someone.  Things I really did not want or need to know.  At this pint in my life I can smell it on them and just don;t engage in the first place.  My close friends can call me at 2am to move a body no questions asked (beyond, he had it coming, right?) but if we just met, I don't need to know about Uncle Touchy.

    That said, I agree with everyone else, the leader needs to talk to her privately and put her on a short leash. 

  • Oh boy, I have known so many people like Jada.  So many.  Emotional black holes love me, and I mean loooooooove me like an imprinted baby duck.  I can not count how many times I have heard deeply personal details less than one hour after meeting someone.  Things I really did not want or need to know.  At this pint in my life I can smell it on them and just don;t engage in the first place.  My close friends can call me at 2am to move a body no questions asked (beyond, he had it coming, right?) but if we just met, I don't need to know about Uncle Touchy.

    That said, I agree with everyone else, the leader needs to talk to her privately and put her on a short leash. 
    DH has the same issue.  I cannot tell you how many times I've seen it happen to him and every time I'm like, "WHAT IS IT ABOUT YOU?!"  One burned in my brain is when we were moving from our old house, and trying to get our garage organized, our neighbor who we'd never talked to besides a 'hi' or a wave ambled up to our house, told us his life story, and then tried to sell us some mlm bullshit.  

    But seriously, we'll be standing on line somewhere (well not anymore, LOL) or in some other situation where it should just be a casual interaction with someone who asks a question and gets an answer, we'll end up hearing about their childhood trauma and plans to renovate their house. 
  • Oh boy, I have known so many people like Jada.  So many.  Emotional black holes love me, and I mean loooooooove me like an imprinted baby duck.  I can not count how many times I have heard deeply personal details less than one hour after meeting someone.  Things I really did not want or need to know.  At this pint in my life I can smell it on them and just don;t engage in the first place.  My close friends can call me at 2am to move a body no questions asked (beyond, he had it coming, right?) but if we just met, I don't need to know about Uncle Touchy.

    That said, I agree with everyone else, the leader needs to talk to her privately and put her on a short leash. 
    For anyone who hasn't seen the tv show "What We Do in the Shadows", it is a comedy about vampires who all live in the same house.

    But one of the vampires isn't a typical one.  He looks like an ordinary person.  He can be out during daylight.  He doesn't suck blood from people...he sucks energy from them.  He does it by trapping people into long, unimportant, and boring conversations.

    It's funny because we've all been there!  But I also appreciate the show keeps him a more minor character, lol.  
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  • Oh boy, I have known so many people like Jada.  So many.  Emotional black holes love me, and I mean loooooooove me like an imprinted baby duck.  I can not count how many times I have heard deeply personal details less than one hour after meeting someone.  Things I really did not want or need to know.  At this pint in my life I can smell it on them and just don;t engage in the first place.  My close friends can call me at 2am to move a body no questions asked (beyond, he had it coming, right?) but if we just met, I don't need to know about Uncle Touchy.

    That said, I agree with everyone else, the leader needs to talk to her privately and put her on a short leash. 
    For anyone who hasn't seen the tv show "What We Do in the Shadows", it is a comedy about vampires who all live in the same house.

    But one of the vampires isn't a typical one.  He looks like an ordinary person.  He can be out during daylight.  He doesn't suck blood from people...he sucks energy from them.  He does it by trapping people into long, unimportant, and boring conversations.

    It's funny because we've all been there!  But I also appreciate the show keeps him a more minor character, lol.  
    SO I and I watch it RELIGIOUSLY, it is one of our absolute favorite shows of all time.  I love Colin the energy vampire. 

  • Oh boy, I have known so many people like Jada.  So many.  Emotional black holes love me, and I mean loooooooove me like an imprinted baby duck.  I can not count how many times I have heard deeply personal details less than one hour after meeting someone.  Things I really did not want or need to know.  At this pint in my life I can smell it on them and just don;t engage in the first place.  My close friends can call me at 2am to move a body no questions asked (beyond, he had it coming, right?) but if we just met, I don't need to know about Uncle Touchy.

    That said, I agree with everyone else, the leader needs to talk to her privately and put her on a short leash. 
    For anyone who hasn't seen the tv show "What We Do in the Shadows", it is a comedy about vampires who all live in the same house.

    But one of the vampires isn't a typical one.  He looks like an ordinary person.  He can be out during daylight.  He doesn't suck blood from people...he sucks energy from them.  He does it by trapping people into long, unimportant, and boring conversations.

    It's funny because we've all been there!  But I also appreciate the show keeps him a more minor character, lol.  
    SO I and I watch it RELIGIOUSLY, it is one of our absolute favorite shows of all time.  I love Colin the energy vampire. 
    Same! Did you see the one with Vanessa Bayer as the emotional vampire? She's so funny. 
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