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Your BIL should be shutting it down. Y'all are meddlers.

Dear Prudence,

My sister and brother-in-law are refinancing their home from a 30-year to a 15-year mortgage. They’ll pay more each month, but with lower interest rates. They say it isn’t significantly more than what they have been paying. This decision upsets my mom. She has anxiety issues, especially around money and finances, that have been definitely magnified by the pandemic. My parents are financially comfortable professionals, but my mom had a working-class childhood. There were times my grandparents struggled to make ends meet when she was a kid. It still affects how my mom thinks about money issues. She is genuinely afraid that agreeing to higher monthly payments is risky for my sister’s family—say one of them loses their job and they can’t make the higher payment. She has lost sleep about this worrying about the potential for foreclosure, her grandkids losing their home. She’s broken down with me on the phone about it and another time with a close friend.

My dad asked my sister and brother-in-law if they could, for my mom’s mental well-being, consider a 30-year mortgage and just make payments as if it was a 15-year loan. They said no because the shorter mortgage further reduces their interest rate by 0.5 percent. My dad offered to make up the difference, which is less than $100 a month. My brother-in-law refused to even discuss it. He said that our mom would just have to live with their financial decisions, anxiety or no anxiety. My dad’s plan gives them everything they want financially and will ease my mom’s mental state. We all understand this is their decision to make, but I think my brother-in-law is being unreasonable. I need a script that allows me to make clear the damage his obstinance could do without being overly emotional or losing my cool. Any advice?

—Family Anxiety

Re: Your BIL should be shutting it down. Y'all are meddlers.

  • Exactly, Banana. Clearly mom has held everyone hostage with her anxiety and now they're all conditioned to cater to her. 

    I have a difficult FIL. I only get through it because I have a supportive spouse who knows I will draw my own boundaries with his dad if I'm done. 

    I would LOVE to hear a letter from the BIL about this LW's family.  I can only imagine his perspective.  
  • Okay, maybe since I don't have kids I don't have room to talk, but...it's one thing to be concerned about your children. That's human and natural and normal It's another thing to have this crippling level of anxiety over your adult children's perfectly reasonable financial decisions.

    Mom needs to get some therapy as soon as possible. BIL and sister should, for the sake of their own sanity, stop talking finances with the rest of the family. And everyone else needs to back the hell off and mind their own business.


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  • mrsconn23 said:
    Exactly, Banana. Clearly mom has held everyone hostage with her anxiety and now they're all conditioned to cater to her. 

    I have a difficult FIL. I only get through it because I have a supportive spouse who knows I will draw my own boundaries with his dad if I'm done. 

    I would LOVE to hear a letter from the BIL about this LW's family.  I can only imagine his perspective.  
    Yup.  I have a MIL with anxiety although she's at least reasonable on matters like this most of the time.

    But the answer absolutely cannot be that the D and SIL adjust their finances to please mom.   That the LW actually thinks this makes sense makes me wonder how much of their life has been spent tip toeing around reality. 
  • Okay, maybe since I don't have kids I don't have room to talk, but...it's one thing to be concerned about your children. That's human and natural and normal It's another thing to have this crippling level of anxiety over your adult children's perfectly reasonable financial decisions.


    The kiddo is 19 and regularly has his head up his ass.  He has a full time job, but is still working on money management.  Something came up yesterday and I had to basically tell him, "Sorry, can't help you." because I truly could not (I haven't gotten paid in a month because it's taking a minute for my pay from leave to catch up.  It's fine, but there's no extra room in the budget until I get paid tomorrow) and also, I know he gets paid tomorrow. 

    However, there was a moment where I wanted to 'save' him.  It wasn't what he needed, but I definitely had that flutter of anxiety and didn't want him to do something really dumb.  I looped DH in and he hammered it out with him. 

    I say all that to say, you're entirely correct.  This lady, and clearly the whole damn family, is over the top with this.  BIL has to be pretty cool to tell them all he's not discussing it further instead of telling the whole lot to fuck off. 
  • This could be my MIL (my SIL's are nothing like LW though, thank god).  I would recommend that in the future, LW's sister just not tell her mom things like this that are in on way her business.  LW needs butt out altogether. 
  • mrsconn23mrsconn23 member
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    VarunaTT said:

    I feel like sister should know better, but some people really don't understand how to not trigger the anxiety (which is the help/support part she shouldn've done), but everyone else is really enabling it by trying to change Sister's mind or plans.
    The only defense for sister I can think of is that she and BIL didn't even tell mom.  Maybe dad or LW found out and (irresponsibly) told mom.  Or FFS someone else that isn't even mentioned in the damn letter.  

    These people must be exhausting to deal with since you have to self-edit constantly about even the most mundane shit people do every damn day. 
  • BIL did the right thing in telling them it's not up for discussion. I wonder where sister is in all this. Is she hiding behind her husband and making him out to be the bad guy?

    My MIL would do this kind of stuff if we let her. I mean, she's smart enough to see that paying an extra $100/mo that we can afford would be worth it to switch to a 15, but for other stuff. Luckily, H is a fully functioning adult, so he knows not to mention these things to her and shut her down if she somehow gets wind of it. 
  • What the fuck did I just read?  It sounds like the parents own condos up the children's butts.  Why is the LP even privy to all this detail?  You don't need a script you need to back the fuck off and shut the fuck up. That goes for the entire family.

  • ei34ei34 member
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    BIL is a saint (at least as painted by LW), and I agree with PP script along the "lets not discuss finances" line.

    One thing I try really hard to do with my kids is equip them (even now) with tools that'll help them be fully functioning adults someday.  It's a lot easier long-term to not have to handle anyone with kid-gloves and request people make life decisions around the comfort of someone's anxiety.  I acknowledge the mom's anxiety but think she should seek help for it, instead of all the enabling.
  • This is insane to me that this family is so involved in the sister/daughter's finances. LW's sister needs to tell everyone to butt the fuck out. Good lord. 
  • I don't have a script for you, LW.  But I do have an action.  BUTT OUT!!!

    What your parents want to do is outrageously instrusive.  And the fact that you also want to pressure your sister and BIL to cave is just as troubling.

    And don't think I didn't notice that the only person you referred to as "unreasonable" (it's not) was your BIL  Not your sister and BIL, despite this being a decision they have BOTH made equally.
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  • I did the exact same thing as the BIL and sister in this letter.  The thing is, if the payments get to be too high and something happens, there are options that aren't foreclosure.  Also, if they are being this financially savvy, it is very possible they have an emergency fund in the event of a job loss.  All that said, they don't need to disclose all of this information.  

    I feel like the sister and BIL are the ones needing a script.  "We heard your concerns, but we've already thought about this and have measures set in place.  There is nothing to worry about.  If this is causing you anxiety, I suggest you talk to a therapist to help you with some coping mechanisms, because we are functioning adults who have made an informed financial decision that we  are happy with and do not see any reason to change it."

  • I feel like Sister is the one to shut it down.  Family speaks to Family.  This is way over the top.
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  • kerbohl said:
    I did the exact same thing as the BIL and sister in this letter.  The thing is, if the payments get to be too high and something happens, there are options that aren't foreclosure.  Also, if they are being this financially savvy, it is very possible they have an emergency fund in the event of a job loss.  All that said, they don't need to disclose all of this information.  

    I feel like the sister and BIL are the ones needing a script.  "We heard your concerns, but we've already thought about this and have measures set in place.  There is nothing to worry about.  If this is causing you anxiety, I suggest you talk to a therapist to help you with some coping mechanisms, because we are functioning adults who have made an informed financial decision that we  are happy with and do not see any reason to change it."
    Well yeah - they need a script too.

    But the LW is so out of touch that someone needs to take her aside and say, "Are you really advising that two people with no financial issues restructure their finances to please your mother's anxiety?  Can you write that down and see how it looks on paper?"   Because the BIL and sister need to determine what's worth being public knowledge but the LW also needs to realize that what she's advising is not prudent. 
  • Family Anxiety,
    You need to butt out. So do your parents. Your mother is driving herself crazy over what is not her business.

    So mind your own. Let your sister and brother-in-law make their own decisions and own them like the adults they are.
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