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What the hell?

Dear Prudence,

I was so excited to move into my apartment this past summer—and then I realized that the large house behind me is full of frat boys. They have loud parties every Tuesday and Saturday, and sometimes other days, too. They pee off the back porch, often when I’m sitting on my back deck, and seem to enjoy making direct eye contact and unnerving people when they do so. I mentioned it to another neighbor, who said, “Yeah, they do that all the time. I once saw one of them take a shit outside, too.” They also scream at one another, play loud music, host drinking games that involve breaking bottles at 2 a.m. I’m at my wit’s end. I’m not going to talk to them about it, because I don’t feel comfortable around them after the aggressive public urination. I’ve called the non-emergency police line basically on a weekly basis. I generally don’t call the cops, but I do not worry about the potential harm it might cause wealthy white frat boys (and of course no harm has come to them, because it hasn’t made a difference).

I can’t handle a future of lying in bed at 2 a.m., putting my pillow over my head and calling the police every single week. I’ve referenced my city’s website and they simply say to call the police about noise complaints and offer no long-term solutions. What should I do here? They’ve loudly talked about how many of the guys who live there are on the college’s baseball team, so I’ve considered writing a letter to their coach. I just want these idiots to either be quiet or be gone.

—Nuisance Neighbors

Re: What the hell?

  • Pursue contact with the local police.  Then consider contacting the university's coach. 

    Should that fall on deaf ears then social media may be your friend however I'd also consider a security system before doing anything.  

    There's a lot that's odd here especially if these are antics continuing through a pandemic. 
  • Get it escalated. You've called weekly.

    Otherwise you may have to just say f-it and move
  • Call the police regardless and consider moving.  It sucks that you're not doing anything wrong and may have to be the one to take action, but that's life.  No sense it stressing about this.  Do something. 
  • Read your lease very carefully, you may be able to move and still get your security deposit back.

    And woah is me, that the privileged white boys may get in trouble!  Call the police every time they are making too much noise in quiet hours.

    Also, if they are peeing off the back porch and making eye contact, that is more than just drunken antics.  That is indecent exposure, with an added dose of sexual harassment.  THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE DOING! That is certainly enough to get someone ticketed or even arrested.

    If they are a frat, also contact the school.  Take some pictures or videos of the incidents and send them to a Dean.  Skip right over that coach, he probably won't do jack shit to protect his players.
  • Assuming the LW lives in an area where indoor parties are limited to X number of people, it is especially frustrating the police aren't doing anything.

    I have a few more suggestions on "bigger guns" to contact:

    • The baseball coach, pfft.  I suppose it wouldn't hurt, but that person is unlikely to do anything.  Notify the school.
    • If truly a fraternity, notify the national chapter.  Having been in a sorority myself, national organizations are VERY touchy about their reputation.  And can be prompt and powerful in bringing down the hammer.
    • I assume that "frat house" is a rental.  Property owner information is public record.  Find out who owns it and send them a certified letter that their tenants are being a public nuisance.  List how many people seem to be living there on the reg.  And list any damage that appears to be happening to the property, ie grass has stopped growing because people are shitting and pissing on it.
    • Notify their own rental owner/PM that they may need to move out because they do not have "quiet enjoyment" of their home.  That way they are put on notice there is a problem.  Which sucks for them because it isn't their fault, but they can take steps also.  For example, also notifying the other property owner about the issue.  Or perhaps building a higher fence/planting bushes to decrease the sight line and noise.
    • Continue contacting the police, but go one step further.  If the city doesn't allow parties of more than X people, contact the mayorial office or the city's health department or whatever department(s) would be involved in that.  Notify them there are regularly being parties thrown.  Usually on Tues. and Sat. nights.  That involve more than X people, with no one wearing masks or social distancing (I assume this is true) and it is causing danger to the community.
    • Prepare a letter for other residents with the (above) contacts and sample letter.  Encourage them to send letters also.  It's harder to ignore 5+ households complaining about the same thing.
    It sounds like a lot, but none of these steps would take that much time to prepare.



    Although a different issue, earlier in the year, we had a MAJOR problem with one of the neighbors at one of our rentals.  The problem neighbor was a renter.  The property he was living at was a large corner lot and he was running some kind of junkyard/mechanic business there.  Complete with 3-4 vicious guard dogs that he allowed to run loose through the neighborhood.  Two of those dogs knocked down and tried to attack my H.  Fortunately, one of our workers intervened in time and before my H was bit.  But our plumber was not so lucky.  He was knocked down and attacked by two dogs (one different, one the same), but he was bitten multiple times.  A neighbor ran out to help him.

    The SPCA and police were involved in both incidents.  The SPCA wouldn't take the dogs away after they attacked my H and we were pissed to no end.  But after the second attack, a warrant was issued for the dogs to be seized, but had to be coordinated between both of those departments.  Who grossly dropped the ball and neither one cared much.  The excuse they kept giving us was "we've gone a couple times to get the dogs, but they aren't in the yard and no one answers the door".  I guess these dogs would need to kill one of the many small children who play on this street, before maybe they would do something.

    All righty then.  We'll help you out.  EVERY.SINGLE.TIME we saw the dogs on the street or in the yard, we called the police and the SPCA.  Not always the police, but the SPCA would at least come every time we called.  But the dogs would conveniently be back in the house and the guy wouldn't answer the door.  This was multiple times a week.  Then the dogs "disappeared" for a few weeks.  But then came back.  "I'm sorry Mr. Scumbag Neighbor who doesn't care that your vicious dogs attack and could kill people, did you think we would lose interest in a few weeks?"  No indeed.  Our almost daily calls resumed.  We had also notified the property owner after the first incident that his tenant was harboring attack dogs capable of serious injury or death, including not keeping them properly secured.

    I'm not sure if the neighbor got kicked out by the landlord or just got tired of the SPCA/police always knocking on his door.  But he finally moved.
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  • For an apartment, I'd just move. Sure, there's recourse, but I probably wouldn't bother. 

    But yeah. We had a frat kicked off campus when I was in school. The brothers moved to a rental house nearby until the chapter could get there ish together and got permission to move back a few years later. The school and the national org would not have tolerated them representing the frat or the school like this. 
  • I hear that male urine is a good way to keep rats away.  This is the only benefit I can think of - everything else about this situation sucks.  I'd be looking for a new place.

  • kerbohl said:
    I hear that male urine is a good way to keep rats away.  This is the only benefit I can think of - everything else about this situation sucks.  I'd be looking for a new place.
    Odd question ... how do you know this?
  • kerbohl said:
    I hear that male urine is a good way to keep rats away.  This is the only benefit I can think of - everything else about this situation sucks.  I'd be looking for a new place.
    Odd question ... how do you know this?
    Like the other Prudie question...should we be concerned about you, @kerbohl?  Because of your in depth knowledge of human male urine qualities and properties?  Lol.
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  • kerbohl said:
    I hear that male urine is a good way to keep rats away.  This is the only benefit I can think of - everything else about this situation sucks.  I'd be looking for a new place.
    Odd question ... how do you know this?
    Like the other Prudie question...should we be concerned about you, @kerbohl?  Because of your in depth knowledge of human male urine qualities and properties?  Lol.
    LOLOLOLOLOL
  • Hehe, you guys are too much!  No, my uncle told me this.  I have chickens and rat problems, and I was researching ways to get rid of them that wasn't poison (didn't want my animals getting in to it) and wasn't  traps (my rabbits have comically gotten caught in live traps in the past).  So, I tried peppermint and male urine.  I haven't seen a rat for a while, but I don't know if it's just coincidence or correlation.

    Urine is also good for liquid fertilizer for blueberries ... but that was because I saw that the ingredients for the fertilizers were mentioning ammonia, so I looked it up.  So there's that!

  • kerbohl said:
    Hehe, you guys are too much!  No, my uncle told me this.  I have chickens and rat problems, and I was researching ways to get rid of them that wasn't poison (didn't want my animals getting in to it) and wasn't  traps (my rabbits have comically gotten caught in live traps in the past).  So, I tried peppermint and male urine.  I haven't seen a rat for a while, but I don't know if it's just coincidence or correlation.

    Urine is also good for liquid fertilizer for blueberries ... but that was because I saw that the ingredients for the fertilizers were mentioning ammonia, so I looked it up.  So there's that!
    At a previous house I lived in, my next door neighbor had a live trap in her backyard because she was having a problem with (I think) possums or raccoons.  She figured if they got trapped for hours, that would deter them.

    She caught each of the outdoor neighborhood cats...but only once.  Each cat learned after getting trapped once and didn't enter her trap again.

    Except Midnight, who belonged to the neighbors that lived on the other side of my double.  I LOVED Midnight.  He was the friendliest cat I have ever met, including with strangers.  He knew what time I left work in the morning and would hang out right in front of my door, because I would stop for a few minutes and give him pets and loves.

    I'm sure Midnight knew he was walking into a trap.  But he often did it anyway to eat the treats that were inside.  The neighbor with the trap would laugh that she would go out in the morning.  And there was Midnight.  Chill as can be.  Not upset or anxious to get out of the trap at all.  When she opened the trap door, he would leisurely walk out of it and then wait for her to lavish him with some pets before continuing on his merry way.
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