Wedding Woes

I feel like you've missed some signs here.

Dear Prudence,

Five years ago, my husband lost his first wife (he married very young). She was a great collector—think collective plates and figurines, lots of pictures that never went up on the walls, etc. The family couldn’t deal with going through any of it, so it all went into boxes that have taken over half of the garage and guest room. My husband and I have been married for two years. I haven’t pressed about the mess because his twin daughters were still grieving and would refuse to discuss it. I have tried to get them into grief counseling, but it was pointless.

Now I am pregnant. My stepdaughters live at home in separate rooms while they finish their last year of college. We need the guest room cleaned out and turned into a nursery. I want to bite the bullet now, rather in several months when I have a newborn. My husband agrees and told the girls they need to set aside a day to go through the boxes in the bedroom. My stepdaughter “Sylvia” went into hysterics—we can’t throw away their mother’s things, I am a horrible person, and her father never loved their mother or them. My husband and I expected reluctance, not this. Even her sister was horrified by Sylvia’s outburst. It has not gotten any better. Sylvia refuses to speak to her father or me and will leave the room if we try. She will put her hands over her ears and scream I can’t hear you. It is ridiculous. I lost my own father last year. It still hurts, but you have to move forward. My husband has suggested the twins share a room. We can’t afford to pay for an apartment for them. All this is causing me enough stress that my doctor is concerned. Help!

—A Room With a View to the Past

Re: I feel like you've missed some signs here.

  • I wonder if they sought family therapy instead of pushing individual therapy
  • I think a massive RED FLAG is the fact that they refused grief counseling. But LW is here now.  

    I think if her husband is suggesting the twins room together, then just do that.  Make the other room the nursery.  Yes, that doesn't resolve the issue of the room that's being used as a hoarding den, but LW needs some peace right now.  Also, they need to get to the root of Sylvia's behavior.  

    If these kids are college aged, then LW and their husband are limited in what they can legally do.  However, I don't think they should put up with an adult in their home acting this way.  I am not saying that grief makes sense or isn't messy, but if Sylvia can perform basic daily tasks and get her school work done, then she's clearly manipulating the situation. 

    LW's H needs to sit down with her alone and try to get to the bottom of this.  I think LW's clearly triggering something in Sylvia and needs to remove herself at this time. But I don't think kicking Sylvia out should be off the table if she truly doesn't change her behavior and refuses all help that LW or her H have tried to offer and/or realize that while this may have been handled ham-handedly by her dad and stepmom, they weren't trying to hurt her or 'erase' her mom.  Asking her to leave is a last resort, but if she won't be reasonable...then it's not unreasonable. 

    And if LW's H won't entertain that and also won't give Sylvia consequences, then LW needs to think about her and her child's future. 
  • Casadena said:
    Can't the dad go through the things?  I imagine he has a good idea of what should be kept for the girls to go through and what can be donated, etc. Especially if they have no idea what is all in there anyway.  Maybe that's insensitive, idk, but it seems like a place to start.  

    Also therapy. 
    Yes and no.
    It could also be the dad start and invite the girls to join and help. They can go thru memories, take what they're wanting, etc.
    My mum does this with photos she is trying to organize - it turns into memory lane and/or crying.
  • mrsconn23 said:

    Dear Prudence,

    Five years ago, my husband lost his first wife (he married very young). She was a great collector—think collective plates and figurines, lots of pictures that never went up on the walls, etc. The family couldn’t deal with going through any of it, so it all went into boxes that have taken over half of the garage and guest room. My husband and I have been married for two years. I haven’t pressed about the mess because his twin daughters were still grieving and would refuse to discuss it. I have tried to get them into grief counseling, but it was pointless.

    Now I am pregnant. My stepdaughters live at home in separate rooms while they finish their last year of college. We need the guest room cleaned out and turned into a nursery. I want to bite the bullet now, rather in several months when I have a newborn. My husband agrees and told the girls they need to set aside a day to go through the boxes in the bedroom. My stepdaughter “Sylvia” went into hysterics—we can’t throw away their mother’s things, I am a horrible person, and her father never loved their mother or them. My husband and I expected reluctance, not this. Even her sister was horrified by Sylvia’s outburst. It has not gotten any better. Sylvia refuses to speak to her father or me and will leave the room if we try. She will put her hands over her ears and scream I can’t hear you. It is ridiculous. I lost my own father last year. It still hurts, but you have to move forward. My husband has suggested the twins share a room. We can’t afford to pay for an apartment for them. All this is causing me enough stress that my doctor is concerned. Help!

    —A Room With a View to the Past

    A heart to heart from dad to daughter is going to be required here.  Dad needs to be loving but firm that needing to go through possessions does not mean that the love for their mother is gone anymore than the love is gone because she passed.   But going through them IS required because there will be a new sibling in the home.

    Sylvia is probably going to need a quality therapist but absolutely does not get to dictate the terms of what is likely a temporary living arrangement for her.
  • It IS hard to hand heirlooms to college age kids with no permanent nest.

    But, really, 90% of what collected plates and figurines is trash.
    What if dad offered to ebay and share profits? 
  • GBCK said:
    It IS hard to hand heirlooms to college age kids with no permanent nest.

    But, really, 90% of what collected plates and figurines is trash.
    What if dad offered to ebay and share profits? 
    Exactly!  Especially for that kind of knick-knack stuff, the father should offer to at least go through the boxes with those items and each of them can choose their few favorites to keep and put in their own rooms.  And the rest will be sold/given away.

    I know it's hard!  Because it is like the "things" become the "symbol" of their mom when really, it isn't.  Not even close.  It's an important step for letting go, so these items don't become an albatross for the rest of their lives.

    My own father passed away when I was 21.  My dad collected t-shirts and many of those were divvied up between myself and my family.  My mom asked what else we wanted and, it was a little hard to see things go, but we didn't want to keep them either.  Years later, my mom was going through a lot of her own things and what was left of my father's because she was moving residences.  There were some qualms about it for both myself and my sister and "oh, but I want that".  However, my mom was pretty no-nonsense about it...as well she should have been, lol.

    Her reply was essentially, "That's fine.  But if you want it, it needs to live at your house now."  Oooohhhh...yeah.  I don't really have room for that.  Okay, then (internal sniff, sniff).  Like the rocking chair she had rocked my sister and I in when we were babies!  It lived in our living room for our entire childhood.  How could she?!?!  Lol.  But she did because neither my sister nor I wanted it enough to make room for.

    Actually, there was an armoire/desk I wanted that had been in the paternal side of the family for 100+ years.  My mom and I split the cost for the astronomical freight to ship it from CA to NOLA.
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  • Father to Kids: "I'm going to go through your Mom's stuff because it has to be gone through and decided what to keep and not keep (such as boxes of everyday clothing that is easy to donate), is there anything specific you want kept for you for in the future when you have a place of your own?"

    My guess is all of the clothes and stuff were just packed up and it's not just tchotchkes type things.  But end of the day it's still the Dad's to decide keep-toss-store, and it is o.k. to keep/store things that they find significant until such time as they move out into their own permanent places (not college dorm point in life)..  If the kid(s) choose not to be involved, that's their choice, and the one for certain needs grief counseling stat if they're in the last year of college age and having an outburst like that...


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