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You bungled this by inserting yourself, LW.

Dear Prudence,

I have a friend, “Julie,” who got out of a violently abusive relationship with “Mike” over two years ago. She moved out, sought therapy through a sexual assault resource agency, and (aside from a few blips) hasn’t been in contact with him since. Recently he texted her to inform her his grandmother died, as Julie was in occasional touch with her. She mentioned this to me, and said she had no interest in rekindling anything with him.

Last week I was in town (about a 30-minute drive from where I live) when Julie texted to ask if I wanted her to pick something up from the store for me, since she was already there. I texted back to say I was close by and could meet her there and drove over without waiting for a reply. I saw her car in the parking lot and went in to meet her, when I saw her holding hands with Mike. I felt like I’d had the wind knocked out of me. They didn’t see me, and I left.

Later Julie responded to say she had just seen my text and that she’d had a phone call, which was why she hadn’t responded right away. I texted back to say, “Oh, I assumed it was because you were with Mike.” I haven’t heard from her since. Was I wrong to go into the store? And as her friend, can I say I have no interest in hearing about any rekindled relationship with this man? I don’t want to go through the roller coaster with her again. Does that make me a bad friend?

—Not Ready for Round Two

Re: You bungled this by inserting yourself, LW.

  • This is really hard. 

    On one hand I can absolutely see the friend's side.  She brought you into her circle while she was in an abusive relationship and clearly you irritated her with your judgement when it looks like that rekindled. 

    But also know that this may be exactly what Mike wanted.   I'd recommend finding a quality therapist that specializes in abusive behavior because there's a chance that if Mike has not changed his ways that this is part of how he plans to groom Julie to isolate her from her friends and family. 
  • It's not about you, LW!

    That's all I've got. 
  • mrsconn23mrsconn23 member
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    edited May 2021
    LW fucked up by sending that text.  Julie trusted LW and they shit on it in a moment of being upset.  

    I understand where LW's feelings are coming from, as I've told you all about one of my BFF's and her years long process of divorcing her awful H.  She and I didn't talk for about a year about 3 years ago because she wasn't reaching out to me and I was PISSED at her for a lot of reasons.  So I just...stopped trying until something happened (I don't even remember) and we started talking again. 

    However, these types of relationships are really, really difficult to extricate yourself from.  I've found people will lie to their closest friends and family because they don't want to face the criticism.  Plus people have a tendency to (often unconsciously) infantilize abused people and act like they are unable to make their own choices or the 'right' choice in that person's opinion.  It's so much more complicated than that and those people need support, with boundaries, and someone to listen.  If you can't do that for them, then you're not the right person to help them. 
  • mrsconn23 said:


    However, these types of relationships are really, really difficult to extricate yourself from.  I've found people will lie to their closest friends and family because they don't want to face the criticism.  Plus people have a tendency to (often unconsciously) infantilize abused people and act like they are unable to make their own choices or the 'right' choice in that person's opinion.  It's so much more complicated than that and those people need support, with boundaries, and someone to listen.  If you can't do that for them, then you're not the right person to help them. 
    OH SO MUCH THIS.

    Those in an abusive relationship don't cease to have functioning brains.  
  • kvrunskvruns member
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    I can totally see why LW is confused though when just the week or two before Julie said she had no interest in rekindling with him and then LW saw them holding hands so she felt confused and lied to. Maybe she shouldn't have sent that text but I know I would have a hard time acting completely normal around her if I saw that and then she still acted like nothing was going on. But I also know that it can be hard for someone to leave, and stay away, in a situation like that so I wouldn't want to accidentally isolate her from me when she needs a friend. 
  • mrsconn23 said:
    LW fucked up by sending that text.  Julie trusted LW and they shit on it in a moment of being upset.  

    I understand where LW's feelings are coming from, as I've told you all about one of my BFF's and her years long process of divorcing her awful H.  She and I didn't talk for about a year about 3 years ago because she wasn't reaching out to me and I was PISSED at her for a lot of reasons.  So I just...stopped trying until something happened (I don't even remember) and we started talking again. 

    However, these types of relationships are really, really difficult to extricate yourself from.  I've found people will lie to their closest friends and family because they don't want to face the criticism.  Plus people have a tendency to (often unconsciously) infantilize abused people and act like they are unable to make their own choices or the 'right' choice in that person's opinion.  It's so much more complicated than that and those people need support, with boundaries, and someone to listen.  If you can't do that for them, then you're not the right person to help them. 
    And LW doesn't have to feel guilty about stepping away if this part is true.  One of things my therapist keeps going over and over with me is setting and sticking to boundaries and that I don't have to help/fix everyone.  Neither does LW.

    I think if LW wants to apologize, they should, but otherwise I'd respect my own feelings and give myself the grace to put space between us.
  • VarunaTT said:
    mrsconn23 said:
    LW fucked up by sending that text.  Julie trusted LW and they shit on it in a moment of being upset.  

    I understand where LW's feelings are coming from, as I've told you all about one of my BFF's and her years long process of divorcing her awful H.  She and I didn't talk for about a year about 3 years ago because she wasn't reaching out to me and I was PISSED at her for a lot of reasons.  So I just...stopped trying until something happened (I don't even remember) and we started talking again. 

    However, these types of relationships are really, really difficult to extricate yourself from.  I've found people will lie to their closest friends and family because they don't want to face the criticism.  Plus people have a tendency to (often unconsciously) infantilize abused people and act like they are unable to make their own choices or the 'right' choice in that person's opinion.  It's so much more complicated than that and those people need support, with boundaries, and someone to listen.  If you can't do that for them, then you're not the right person to help them. 
    And LW doesn't have to feel guilty about stepping away if this part is true.  One of things my therapist keeps going over and over with me is setting and sticking to boundaries and that I don't have to help/fix everyone.  Neither does LW.

    I think if LW wants to apologize, they should, but otherwise I'd respect my own feelings and give myself the grace to put space between us.
    I totally understand that it may be too much for LW.  Hell, I try to reach out to my friend every few days...but if I'm not down for her mess, I just don't reach out or respond if she reaches out to me.  Or I'll just acknowledge her message, but not add anything.  It's hard to be a friend to someone in this situation.  And honestly, I only found myself able to really support her in the last couple months or so.  Before that, I was just too emotionally spent on my own stuff to take on her situation.  

    I still stand by the fact that LW did fuck up by sending that text.  LW needs to own the fact that they put way too much of themselves and their energy into a situation that truly had nothing to do with them beyond being there for someone in a time of need.  Julie and Mike don't pay LW's bills or employ them (a good barometer to use in so many situations), so they should have held it at arm's length a little more. 
  • banana468 said:
    I don’t think LW did anything wrong. Friend lied to LW. LW doesn’t have any obligation to play along with the fiction. 
    IMO you can still advise that you know what's going on without being abrasive about it. 

    "Hey, I saw you with Mike last week.  Is all OK?" is far different then the approach the LW took.   I can see why the LW said it but if her goal was to keep the lines of communication open that wasn't the way to do it.
    Yes, a pithy text is going to cause Julie to no longer go to LW for anything. 

    I don't think the one text makes LW a bad friend.  I also think LW may have their answer in their questions since they don't want to 'go on the roller coaster' with Julie again.  You can love someone and be worried from them, but also realize you need to do it from afar.  I don't blame LW for a second for not wanting to be involved with the situation if Mike is back in the picture.  My personal experience tells me that Mike probably knows LW doesn't like him and probably won't take kindly to LW being around anyway.  LW wasn't Julie's therapist and LW has no obligation to continue a friendship that has the potential to drain them or cause strife. 
  • kerbohlkerbohl member
    Knottie Warrior 2500 Comments 500 Love Its First Answer
    I wonder how this would have gone down if Julie had seen LW.

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