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It's on you to find healthy boundaries.

Dear Prudence,

I’m in my early thirties and moved away from my small hometown to a big city for my dream job 10 years ago. It’s about a four-hour car ride away. My other two sisters have also moved away (two and six hours away respectively). My mom is devastated (my dad is too, but less vocally); she wanted to be the matriarch to a big family with loads of grandkids, but we’ve all moved away. I get why she’s upset, especially as her sister has the life my mom wants with an army of kids around. I feel bad that my happiness appears to be incompatible with hers.

But it’s been 10 years, and she still cries when I leave after a visit. Yet she’s never visited my home as she doesn’t like the big city. We talk all the time, and she talks to my sisters every day as well, but we’re constantly walking on eggshells. If there’s anything less than perfect in my life, her only suggestion is to move back to my hometown. If my nephew is having struggles, Mom suggests it’s because he’s not close enough to his family. She’s constantly making snide and bitter remarks that she is actively unhappy that we’re not around. She’s suggested 10 years is enough time to have a career and get it out of my system, but now I should come home. I’m exhausted. I’ve called her out on it, that it’s not fair that her dreams and happiness depend on us living the life she wants for us, not the lives that we’ve chosen for ourselves. I’ve suggested she get therapy, but she’s basically told me she’s choosing to be unhappy. I think she resents us as we’ve chosen to leave but she’s chosen to stay to be near her mom.

I love her so much and it kills me that she’s this sad. I really don’t think she gets that she’s pushing us away or how hurt and sad her comments make us. I know I can’t fix it—I just can’t see a way of making this situation more tolerable.

— Not What Mom Wanted

Re: It's on you to find healthy boundaries.

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    I feel like H or either of his sisters could have written this (even though we are all within 1.5 hours....).  So I feel for this LW.  LW should work on setting and maintaining boundaries. I know it's hard, but that the only way I think
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    You may need to start being more frank with your words.

    "Mom, I AM home.  This city is my home." 

    Be clear: "Mom, if every conversation is going to involve you telling me that I made a bad choice and that choice makes you unhappy we will stop having conversations." 

    I'm in the spot of LW while talking to my mom at times.  I am all of an hour away but now with my dad having incontinence issues plus his early dementia it's rough on her.  I get it.  But the other day I flat out said, "You not coming here to visit my kids is not a viable solution.  You're going to have to figure out how to get out of the house."   
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    My mom is like this to a small extent and even that is annoying. I like Banana's suggestions of being direct and clear. What is the phrase, "honest communication is kind communication"??
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    If my mom told me that 10 years of a career was enough to get it out of my system, it would probably be the last conversation I had with her for a while.

    But maybe stop talking to her every day. That's... a lot.
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    The LW chose to move, but Mom is choosing to stay. She could be closer to the sister with the house full of kids if she wanted. This isn’t about Mom not being able to have the life she wants for herself, it’s about Mom not being able to dictate the life her kids are living. 

    Boundaries and letting yourself not feel the least bit bad about them. 
    Exactly what I thought, too. 


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    The especially striking comment to me is that the mom even admits she "chooses to be unhappy".

    The LW should parrot that back to her when her snide and bitter comments happen.  Remind her that all of her children love her, but are all also very happy with the places they have chosen to live.  NOONE is coming back and she needs to learn to accept that or spend the rest of her life unhappy.

    LW and their sisters should also start cutting conversations short, when they turn into mom's vent sessions about them living too far away.

    I also hugely side-eye people that bitch and whine this much about missing their kids/grandkids, yet can't be bothered to take a long weekend and drive 2-6 hours to visit their grandkids more.  That it ALWAYS has to be their children coming back home to visit them.  While unfortunately a long plane ride and not a car ride, I have some resentment with my own family for this last sentence.

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    The especially striking comment to me is that the mom even admits she "chooses to be unhappy".

    The LW should parrot that back to her when her snide and bitter comments happen.  Remind her that all of her children love her, but are all also very happy with the places they have chosen to live.  NOONE is coming back and she needs to learn to accept that or spend the rest of her life unhappy.

    LW and their sisters should also start cutting conversations short, when they turn into mom's vent sessions about them living too far away.

    I also hugely side-eye people that bitch and whine this month about missing their kids/grandkids, yet can't be bothered to take a long weekend and drive 2-6 hours to visit their grandkids more.  That it ALWAYS has to be their children coming back home to visit them.  While unfortunately a long plane ride and not a car ride, I have some resentment with my own family for this last sentence.
    The drive time for both mine and DH's parents to our house is nearly identical. Almost 4 hours.

    My parents are here a fair amount.

    My ILs are... not. (It's not that they never come, but it's far less often.) Their solution to seeing us more is that we move "home" to their city, as DH's brothers have already done. We are the ones ruining everything by not just living here too.
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    The especially striking comment to me is that the mom even admits she "chooses to be unhappy".

    The LW should parrot that back to her when her snide and bitter comments happen.  Remind her that all of her children love her, but are all also very happy with the places they have chosen to live.  NOONE is coming back and she needs to learn to accept that or spend the rest of her life unhappy.

    LW and their sisters should also start cutting conversations short, when they turn into mom's vent sessions about them living too far away.

    I also hugely side-eye people that bitch and whine this month about missing their kids/grandkids, yet can't be bothered to take a long weekend and drive 2-6 hours to visit their grandkids more.  That it ALWAYS has to be their children coming back home to visit them.  While unfortunately a long plane ride and not a car ride, I have some resentment with my own family for this last sentence.
    The drive time for both mine and DH's parents to our house is nearly identical. Almost 4 hours.

    My parents are here a fair amount.

    My ILs are... not. (It's not that they never come, but it's far less often.) Their solution to seeing us more is that we move "home" to their city, as DH's brothers have already done. We are the ones ruining everything by not just living here too.
    Yup - it needs to be a 2 way street. 

    It can also work the other way too.  I've seen the reverse and it's also rather frustrating. 
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    banana468 said:
    The especially striking comment to me is that the mom even admits she "chooses to be unhappy".

    The LW should parrot that back to her when her snide and bitter comments happen.  Remind her that all of her children love her, but are all also very happy with the places they have chosen to live.  NOONE is coming back and she needs to learn to accept that or spend the rest of her life unhappy.

    LW and their sisters should also start cutting conversations short, when they turn into mom's vent sessions about them living too far away.

    I also hugely side-eye people that bitch and whine this month about missing their kids/grandkids, yet can't be bothered to take a long weekend and drive 2-6 hours to visit their grandkids more.  That it ALWAYS has to be their children coming back home to visit them.  While unfortunately a long plane ride and not a car ride, I have some resentment with my own family for this last sentence.
    The drive time for both mine and DH's parents to our house is nearly identical. Almost 4 hours.

    My parents are here a fair amount.

    My ILs are... not. (It's not that they never come, but it's far less often.) Their solution to seeing us more is that we move "home" to their city, as DH's brothers have already done. We are the ones ruining everything by not just living here too.
    Yup - it needs to be a 2 way street. 

    It can also work the other way too.  I've seen the reverse and it's also rather frustrating. 
    Definitely. That it's significantly harder (most of the time) to travel with small kids should be a factor, I think, but it also should not be carte blanche to make everyone come to you always.
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    banana468 said:
    The especially striking comment to me is that the mom even admits she "chooses to be unhappy".

    The LW should parrot that back to her when her snide and bitter comments happen.  Remind her that all of her children love her, but are all also very happy with the places they have chosen to live.  NOONE is coming back and she needs to learn to accept that or spend the rest of her life unhappy.

    LW and their sisters should also start cutting conversations short, when they turn into mom's vent sessions about them living too far away.

    I also hugely side-eye people that bitch and whine this month about missing their kids/grandkids, yet can't be bothered to take a long weekend and drive 2-6 hours to visit their grandkids more.  That it ALWAYS has to be their children coming back home to visit them.  While unfortunately a long plane ride and not a car ride, I have some resentment with my own family for this last sentence.
    The drive time for both mine and DH's parents to our house is nearly identical. Almost 4 hours.

    My parents are here a fair amount.

    My ILs are... not. (It's not that they never come, but it's far less often.) Their solution to seeing us more is that we move "home" to their city, as DH's brothers have already done. We are the ones ruining everything by not just living here too.
    Yup - it needs to be a 2 way street. 

    It can also work the other way too.  I've seen the reverse and it's also rather frustrating. 
    Definitely. That it's significantly harder (most of the time) to travel with small kids should be a factor, I think, but it also should not be carte blanche to make everyone come to you always.
    Agreed.  We have this issue now because with weekend events for kids it's not so easy to just go to my parents' home but we'll make the time after a sporting season.

    For my BIL/SIL, the thing that would frustrate MIL is that they'd take vacations either separately or with their kids but wouldn't come out here to visit.  So the impression received was that MIL and FIL would be 'fit in' as BIL desired but he also had the expectation that FIL would go over and help him with projects.   I think now that their kids are older they may try to make more trips out here especially as the ILs age and FIL has been clear that there will be a time that making the drive to them will be harder just because of their ages. 
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    Boundaries. Time to set them. 
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